 psydfx
join:2002-12-20 Canada
edit: April 17th, @11:19AM
| FYI:CRTC orders TELUS to rebate customers for LD access fee
said by CRTC : News release April 17, 2008
CRTC orders TELUS to rebate customers
OTTAWA-GATINEAU The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) today determined that TELUS Telecommunications Company (TELUS) was improperly charging certain customers a network-access fee. The Commission has ordered TELUS to rebate residential customers who paid this monthly fee, but did not make any telephone calls on the companys long-distance network during the month. However, TELUS is not required to rebate customers who made long-distance telephone calls during the same month.
When applied to customers who did not make any long-distance calls, the monthly fee was equivalent to an unauthorized increase to the residential local service rate, said Konrad von Finckenstein, Q.C., Chairman of the CRTC. We will use our powers whenever necessary to uphold the interests of consumers of telecommunications services, particularly in instances when companies impose unauthorized charges.
In November 2007, TELUS began charging close to half a million customers in Alberta and British Columbia a monthly network-access fee of $2.95. These customers had not signed up for a long-distance plan, either with TELUS or another company, and the charge applied even if they did not make long-distance calls or if they made long-distance calls using only dial-around long-distance services.
Customers could have avoided paying the network-access fee by subscribing to TELUS' toll-restriction service, also known as Call Guardian in certain areas, which permits only local or toll-free calls. While there is no initial charge associated with this service for residential customers, there is a $10.00 cancellation fee. The Commission has directed TELUS to waive this cancellation fee during the next three months if a residential customer subscribed to the toll-restriction service after October 2007 and now wishes to cancel it.
The CRTC no longer regulates long-distance rates. While local telephone companies can set their long-distance plans and rates according to market conditions, TELUS is required to provide its customers with access to the long-distance network as part of its local service rates.
The CRTC is an independent, public authority that regulates and supervises broadcasting and telecommunications in Canada.
Telecom Decision CRTC 2008-33 [.htm] [.pdf]
- 30 -
Media Relations: MediaRelations, Tel: 819-997-9403, Fax: 819-997-4245
|
|
 zod5000
join:2003-10-21 Edmonton, AB
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| I wonder how far this will go back... i think out of the last 20 months.. maybe 1 or 2 i made a long distance call (i usually use ld cards because their cheaper).
i am on the canadian ld plan, because if you have internet, you get a 5 dollar rebate for being on ld, which counters the ld access fee, and the canadian plan is free other hten that.
it'd be nice to get a bit of a rebate, i always thought the ld access fee was a ripoff |
|
  JammerMan79 Premium,VIP join:2004-05-13 Prince George, BC
| This is for the LD network access charge (2.95), Not the ld admin fee (4.95).
The ld nac started for all bc customers w/Telus ld, w/o LD plan, w/o call grd toll (ld block) on Nov 1/07 in BC and some of Ab. Most Ab customers started Dec 1/07. -- I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications. |
|
  okjoe6
@telus.net
| reply to psydfx I heard the Telus PR guy on the radio today. Don't expect your money any time soon as they suggest they want to appeal.
Radio Dude: What is the $2.95 charge for if the customer never uses LD?
Telus dude: But they get access to one of the most advanced LD networks in the world!!!
Radio Dude: But they never use it.
Telus dude: But it covers the cost of them having that access to it!! (oh, they can opt out if they really want to)
What cost is that? The cost of typing a key on a keyboard to gain or deny access? Pushing a button? Those that use it should cover the cost, not those that don't use it.
Telus seems to have a motto opposite to Google: "Only do evil". 
They don't seem to care about how the public perceives their company. They treat customers as stupid, trying to wow them by saying "it costs a lot to do all this new amazing high-tech stuff", but those in the know are quite aware that isn't where the costs are. Telus is obviosly on a money grab desperate to economically compete with their competition by these types of practices rather than just striving to be a better service oriented company. "Fairness" isn't in their vocabulary. They really are getting quite sleezy. |
|
  used2btelus
@bc.ca
| reply to okjoe6 Re: FYI:CRTC orders TELUS to rebate customers for LD access fee
If you want to stick it to them, switch your telco service to Shaw. That's what we did the moment this LD access crap was put on our bill, and we refused to pay for it on that last statement.
It took more then a few phone calls, but they eventually backed off and credited the $2.95. Now I could really care less about 3 bucks, but it's the total principle that they just ram whatever they want down the unsuspecting publics throat then fight tooth and nail against their customers wishes.
Hopefully they will one day get the act together, but as long as the cellular gouging feeds the Telco's wallets it won't. |
|
  toby6
@telus.net | reply to psydfx good job crtc.
telus should be ashamed of itself, this fee was downright fraudulent and anyone with half a brain could see right thru their excuses. |
|
 Mike_C
join:2007-07-19 Edmonton, AB | reply to psydfx Fraudulent? The CRTC had to approve that fee being added in the first place. |
|
  JammerMan79 Premium,VIP join:2004-05-13 Prince George, BC | no they didn't LD is unregulated |
|
  shawuser99
@shawcable.net | clearly a fraudulent act. nice try telus. |
|
  toby6
@telus.net
| reply to JammerMan79 said by JammerMan79 :LD is unregulated land lines are regulated (last i checked) and so are business practices. charging $3 a month because someone doesn't have a telus long distance plan on a telus land line goes against regulations and ethics. |
|
  beachside
@telus.net
| reply to psydfx The fee was applied to customers who didn't have a long distance plan on any carrier, not just Telus. Without a plan on any carrier they defaulted to Telus LD and the fee was applied.
Customers who had a plan on Telus did not pay the fee. Customers who had a bundle on Telus that included LD did not pay the fee. Customers who had a plan on a carrier other than Telus did not pay the fee.
The CRTC has ordered the fee be refunded only to people who were charged and didn't actually make an LD call in the month they were charged. The fee was not entirely rejected by the CRTC, they did find some logic in charging for access when access was actually used.
Even though I understand Telus' explanation of the fee and that they were legally allowed to apply it I did not agree with it. I don't think it was a wise move by the company to risk so much negative publicity for the relatively small amount of revenue the fee would generate. Telus would be much better served by actually selling something and offering value to clients rather than charging for something that is already offered with a confusing explanation of why they are charging.
Then again this could have been an attempt by the company to ditch low value clients who don't buy any other Telus services. Maybe they accomplished their goal. Get more money or get rid of a money loser. Win Win. Hmmm... |
|
  JammerMan79 Premium,VIP join:2004-05-13 Prince George, BC
edit: April 20th, @04:21AM
| reply to toby6 I never said that land lines were not regulated, only LD. And even then land lines have been de-regulated in quite a few areas already. Don't quite see where it goes against ethics. You're being charged for something that you have access to. The ruling simply clarifies that if you don't use the service you should not be charged the fee for that particular month. Not that it's an invalid fee. -- I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications. |
|
 Harold Lloyd
join:2008-01-22 Vancouver, BC | reply to psydfx I avoided the LD access fee by signing up with Sears Connect which did not have any plan or access fees. Now Telus has phoned me several times in the past week asking me to resign with them. Now that is annoying! Anyone else have this problem? |
|
 yvrwindsor
join:2008-04-28 Vancouver | Harold Lloyd, Most companies would always want to winback their customers. This is a common practice. |
|
  Bundy
@telus.net
| reply to Harold Lloyd I switched my mother to yak as she was paying 7 cents a minute with telus, plus their access fee. She called several times asking them to lower it and they said this was the best deal they could give her. After she switched they have called every week offering to give her the same rate as yak, yet they will still continue to charge her a $7 fee for being a telus long distance customer. Her long distance bill with yak is only about 3-4 bucks a month, so there is no way she would switch back. Telus is such a rip off. Best thing I ever did was switch to Vonage. |
|