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ninjatutle
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Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

I am trying to game on a Dell E521.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Dual Core Processor
160GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
Integrated AC'97 Audio

• Looking to add 8800GT 500MB ($210)
eVGA e-GeForce 8800 GT 512MB DDR3 Superclocked

• 4GB RAM ($75-$100) from Newegg

If I buy a 8800 GT 500MB and 2x2GB DDR RAM, will I be able to play the current games ok on this? Maybe replace the PSU and sound card if it is needed as well. With upgrading I’m looking to spend around $300-$400. New system would be around $1k I think. I’m also trying to replace my laptop so I would like to go with the upgrade process.

The single slot video card should fit and I would probably add some fans somewhere.

So can I get away with playing the latest games with my intended upgrades? Types of games I will be playing are located in this thread : »Do ppl still play BF 2142? If not, what FPS are ppl playing

The Flash
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

8800GT is cheaper than that, you really need 2 gigs of ram.

Current specs?

eX_NihiLo
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What size monitor are you using? You probably don't need a 8800GT, a 9600GT is more likely up your alley for ~120 after MIR.

ninjatutle
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Currently it is stock, I bought it a year ago.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Dual Core Processor
1 GB Ram
160GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
Integrated AC'97 Audio
Integrated Video

LCD: 19" Samsung 931c
Mouse: Logitech MX Revolution
Headset: Plantronics DSP 500 USB

The Flash
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

wow anything is better than Integrated Video...

how can you even play games? Do you have a PCI-E slot?

ninjatutle
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

PCI-E slot and no gaming currently thats why I need to upgrade

The Flash
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

Check what version that PCI-E slot is.
Mustang
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A BIG concern will be your power supply....the 8800 GT sucks power and I believe it comes with minimum requirements (450 watts) comes to mind.

Its also a big card, make sure you have the room to physically put it in your computer....

ninjatutle
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

I just ordered 2 GB of ram and the video card. I read somewhere that XP or Vista will not see 4 GB unless you had the 64bit version which I don't.

Hopefully the card will fit, its a single slot card I did measure the length I had. I would have gone with a dual slot card if there was space for it.

Looks like I could drop in any powersupply with this MB. Its a non proprietary one. If the PS is too weak, I'll order something.

poppster
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

I would look to upgrade the PSU, 450+ watts. ZZZ has a good deal on this thermaltake psu, with active PFC.
»www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDe···e=371258

Dual, and Quad core ready.

Boogeyman
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I have 4gb in my 32 bit Vista and the only problem I have is that my mem usage apps wont read the mem usage correctly due to the OS not wanting to see all 4gb at once. Right now I am using 1.12gb of ram, but my ram usage only says 123mb used.

Anyway, my point is that you can still make use of all 4 gb, its just that most apps that try to look at total ram and total ram usage wont recognize a gig of it. They will still use it, but wont report what they are using correctly sometimes. (On my system, the first gb used is ignored, so most of the time my system says I am using 0 ram)

jouno53
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You'll probably need a new PSU

ninjatutle
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

I ordered a new one already. A Corsair 650TX - a 650W one @ $99 total

I wish I would have never upgraded and gone with a full build instead or drop the whole gaming idea altogether. I flashed the bios yesterday and bricked the Dell. I didn't even get to play anything except for 10 mins of the COD 4 demo. Now I will wait until Monday to see if Dell will give me a new MB or I will have to order one.
Grief

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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

the upgrade from hell....I've had a few of those
This is where Dell helps,either installing your new bios(not sure what bricked means ) or supplying the operating system cause I'm not sure your hard drive will accept a motherboard switcharoo so you may need to repair your OS or reinstall(I'm assuming Dell didn't give you a cd of your OS).
I was going to say your processor was a little weak

jouno53
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Aw man, that stinks. I hope Dell will help you out, let us know how it goes

ninjatutle
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

I'm not going to even bother calling Dell. I am 2 months out of warranty. I read the Dell support forums and there are pages and pages of other people who have done the same. If I was still under warranty, they might send one out but in my case they wont. A new motherboard will cost $80-100. I'll just cough up the dough even though it wasn't fully my fault. I ran the bios updater from within Vista, there was an error. I reran the update, same error. Rebooted, now the bios is shot. Same problem others have ran into.

The Flash
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

Wouldn't hurt to try.

ninjatutle
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

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So I called and wasted 30 mins of my time. The guy stated I was two months out of warranty but he would try to help this one time over the phone. You have to pay per call after warranty is over. He had me run to a series of test to see if the mobo was shot. Waste of time because the bios is cleared and obviously it will not post. I would need to fork over the dough and buy a new one. So I ordered a new one from a vendor.

The last of my bounty arrived today. So now the only old thing I'm using is the HD, DVD drive, case and AMD chip. Not what I intended

The Flash
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

Next time, don't buy a Dell.
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I don't think the dell bios let's you get the full use of ram with good timings

signmeuptoo
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Another reason to build your own I suppose.

ninjatutle
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I got my replacement motherboard today. Installed it and everything is working. The Corsair PSU is more quiet than the stock unit. The HD is the only thing making noise that I can hear.

When I went to take the old MB out, I unscrewed and unhooked the heatsink from the sockets. I yanked it out and out came the CPU with it The clamp holding down the CPU was still in the locking position. A half row of the pins were at a 45° angle. A few other pins here and there were also bent. Luckily no pins were missing.

I bought the MB off a vendor on ebay. The description said it was New. I can see smudges around a few items and the screw mounts on a few holes had the metal peeled off. It looks like this thing had been used before. My old MB had a few holes with the peeling as well. I have never seen a brand new MB with this peeling. No dust can be found so they cleaned it pretty well.

The upgrade from Hell is very fitting. I played about 20 mins of the COD4 demo, so far the CPU is holding up. I'll try a few more games to try to stress it out.
Grief

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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

good job pulling it all together

The Flash
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Next get a Phenom or 6000+

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I added a Razer Barracuda sound card today. A few more items and I'll be able to dump the Dell and have a different stand alone system. I just need a CPU, MB, HD and case. I'll go for a Phenom and Raptor hard drive. Probably will do this before the end of the year. I'm buying an HD camcorder so all of this is also good for video editing as well as gaming.

The Flash
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

Might as well get a new monitor while you're at it. lol

ninjatutle
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Re: Can I upgrade or do I need a new system...

I like my monitor. It's a 19" Samsung 931c 4:3 panel. The colors are very nice.
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