Re: Hey investors! in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20352070 en Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:05:53 EDT Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:05:53 EDT Re: Hey investors! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20358551 CConverse : Y'know how when one company hikes their rates, they all do the same thing? Or starting to offer "unlimited"--notice how all the major mobile companies announced it practically within the same week? Don't think for a second that's coincidence. As soon as one sees another making a move, they all play copycat in order to partake in the perceived profits... :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20358551 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:09:51 EDT Re: Hey investors! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20354358 major marco :
said by cdru See Profile :

If AT&T "shut off" it's network, the people that would be most affected by it would be their paying customers. Any datacenter worth their salt is going to have redundant links to different networks. So if AT&T's network went dark, Level3, Cogent, etc would be utilized more so most places would still be reachable. AT&T failing to meet their SLA for thier lines would result in many unhappy customers, and by unhappy I mean lawsuit unhappy.
That is a beautiful theory assuming a rogue telco acting on its own, but a couple questions here:

1. What happens if AT&T in conjunction with Level3, Cogent, etc. shut things down? This is not an impossibility nor unlikely as they realize they can get what they want if they collude. See also Cali's rolling blackouts. In fact, that is an especially apt analogy.

2. What is the difference between the Deathstar or anyone else for that matter, hypothetically shutting off the juice and demanding more money vs the capping/throttling/blocking that is becoming SOP?

2a. What, realistically, do you believe will stop any of the above referenced from shutting down and demanding more money?

There is nothing in place at the moment to prevent such an occurrence. Government can't compel them to do anything.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20354358 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:07:57 EDT Re: Hey investors! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20353539 DiscardedVet :
said by cdru See Profile :

It's many networks INTERnetworked together.
Does that mean it's actually made of innertubes?

I had to, just HAD to !!

lol
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said by dks7 See Profile :

God knows I hate government, but the thought of private companies being able to just shut the internet off aggravates me.
First of all, the Internet isn't a single network. It's many networks INTERnetworked together. No one company can just "shut it off". There are a few major players that could make life a lot slower as it may overload backup link for a period.

If AT&T "shut off" it's network, the people that would be most affected by it would be their paying customers. Any datacenter worth their salt is going to have redundant links to different networks. So if AT&T's network went dark, Level3, Cogent, etc would be utilized more so most places would still be reachable. AT&T failing to meet their SLA for thier lines would result in many unhappy customers, and by unhappy I mean lawsuit unhappy.

Plus, most of the companies that provide the major backbones of the internet are not private companies. They are publically traded companies. That means that they do answer to someone...their shareholders. Just switching off their network is going to piss off quite a few people and as an overall result, their bottom line is going to be impacted. Investors don't really like to lose money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20352428 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:22:13 EDT Re: Hey investors! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20352112 gaforces : Just like the power/fuel company's did, now the water company's are starting to, and ATT soon. Create artificial demand so they can make billions more than they already make.

THATS growth where there was none before in the 21st immoral century ...
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