profecy
@rogers.com
| and this how rogers end is near)))
let's see: rogers has about 8 billion on accounts payable. what does that spell? BANKRUPTCY in sight)))
ok my point is that this whole new usage rules and caps are a desperate effore to get some extra cash influx becouse rogers management figures this will help them stay afloat( + as always hope for some goverment extra grants to rebuild "infrastracture"= tax payers money).i for one will NOT pay extra; if i do not change ips next month i will sure use the net ONLY FOR email/basic business surf puposes. now if everyone would find a way to bypass and NOT pay any extra charges we could ALL see rogers end FAST, and hopefully will get a NEW company with some fresh management and ideas AT LEAST. hopefully the cable infrastructure will finally go to a FEW competitive providers so there will be breathing space and REAL choice for the consumer. why would we not all do this? the connections will NOT get dissrupted if rogers bankrupts simplly becouse the goverment will not allow it, net access is vital for them just as much as for any home user or business ones.
also , if you go their website , if click on the "extreme" offer u will see that it says it is design to satisfy the custoners with "needs to download hi-speed movies"...might as well have said "torrents" lol. so this whole usage limit has NOTHING to do with stoping movie pirates. just my 2 cents; would that be hard to prove in court if even their own website aknoladge that!?
for this people that think "ah well $25 extra but UNLIMITED download so i might as well USE IT"...guess what...that is EXACTLLY what rogers WISHES you do so they get their QUICK cash influx to stay afloat; even if you do NOT pay it they can still claim it on their "account receivable" =less theoretic debt...
so let's help with this DEMOCRATIC process in any way possible)))) |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
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Bell Canada
1 edit | No ... not Accounts payable. Debt. Big difference.
Remember that's 8bn across all Rogers enterprises. Skydome, BlueJays etc. With good revenue stream and capital resources, 8bn debt is significant and could limit expansion, but as long as they're covering the costs of servicing that debt and still making an operating profit they, like most companies can go on like that for ever. |
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FuzzFace
join:2007-05-31
New Maryland, NB | reply to profecy
This is a very hard to read post, more of an incoherent rant. |
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anon342324
@rogers.com | reply to profecy
Huh? |
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travisc
join:2001-11-09
Port Perry, ON | reply to profecy
That makes no sense whatsoever, both in readability and the actually attempted point(s) in the diatribe. |
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anon45644
@rogers.com
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It's a small percentage of Rogers users who consume more than the allowed bandwidth. So this extra $25 will not add up to anything significant. And certainly won't make a dent in the amount of debt the company has.
And why so many people think you can only surf and send emails with 95gigs of allowed bandwidth is beyond me. I download from usenet and do everything else i need and 95gigs is plenty. I'm sure there are some circumstances where this is not enough, but i feel this is the exception. |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
4 edits | reply to anon45644
Re: and this how rogers end is near)))
said by anon45644 :
And why so many people think you can only surf and send emails with 95gigs of allowed bandwidth is beyond me. I download from usenet and do everything else i need and 95gigs is plenty. I'm sure there are some circumstances where this is not enough, but i feel this is the exception.
One of the problems is that people are putting their service on a wireless router that's not secured and people piggy back on it and that can easily bring them over their caps.
I just did a scan and I see 2 secured and 4 open wireless in my area.
If I wanted to I could connect to their wireless and goto my Web Interface NNTP and d/l terabytes. |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
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No one here has a PS3 and plays online do they. My brother moved in just over a month ago and my usage has skyrocketed. I use to only pull say about 10-20 gb/month just cause I dont download too much unless I have use for it. Anyways as soon as my bro and the PS3 showed up I hit 60gb last month.
Now for me that is fine as I am still well under my cap but if your a guy who works on websites or whatever from home and you need to transfer large files and you have a roommate or a child who plays on a PS3 you will fly through 95 gb in no time. |
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Gurn
@rogers.com
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I did some searching when all this began because i had the same concern about online gaming.
The Max WOW online pulls during a huge raid in online bandwidth was 30Mb an hour. which could not possibly account for your jump to 60Gb's a month, but thats not ps3 online. Maybe you should track it and actually see what its pulling an hour. |
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Nemo888
join:2005-12-25
Canada | reply to profecy
The business plan was to buy out all the competition by borrowing massive sums at low interest and then jack up the price after there is a duopoly.
Mission accomplished. |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON | reply to profecy
WoW, some music d/ls and general surfing were pulling that original 10-20 GB/month
As for the PS3 when it just joins a game it probably 35-40 MB/hr but when it is hosting a game it will use my full 1 Mbps upload. |
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Newfie
join:2001-05-08
St John'S, NL
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Around 4% of Rogers customers are "heavy users" which this will effect.
They have approximately 1,000,000 high speed customers.
1,000,000 * .04 = 40,000 customers
40,000 * $25 = $1,000,000
An extra million a month, if every single one of those 40,000 go over by the full $25 and don't cancel. This isn't really paying down their debt too fast.... But it might be paying for node splitting.  |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON | reply to profecy
Cants see Ted splitting a node unless he absolutely has to because he doesnt want to spend anymore than he absolutely has to. Hell I bet he will hold off on upgrading to DOCSIS 3.0 when it is released just cause it will cost him money. |
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kocoman
join:2004-06-08
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said by Stewy  :said by anon45644 :
And why so many people think you can only surf and send emails with 95gigs of allowed bandwidth is beyond me. I download from usenet and do everything else i need and 95gigs is plenty. I'm sure there are some circumstances where this is not enough, but i feel this is the exception.
One of the problems is that people are putting their service on a wireless router that's not secured and people piggy back on it and that can easily bring them over their caps. I just did a scan and I see 2 secured and 4 open wireless in my area. If I wanted to I could connect to their wireless and goto my Web Interface NNTP and d/l terabytes. I would not recommend that, it is possible to scan with wireshark your nntp password as plaintext (unless you use SSL encryption).
Even if the other person was downloading using their Wired connection, an ARP poisoning would make everything sent over wired go out to wireless.
If you put in WEP weak security .. 2 wireless cards from the attacker and ettercap to force reconnection.. anyway I posted about it in remote exploit forum |
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midfingr
join:2008-04-05
Oshawa, ON
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said by Newfie :Around 4% of Rogers customers are "heavy users" which this will effect. They have approximately 1,000,000 high speed customers. 1,000,000 * .04 = 40,000 customers 40,000 * $25 = $1,000,000 An extra million a month, if every single one of those 40,000 go over by the full $25 and don't cancel. This isn't really paying down their debt too fast.... But it might be paying for node splitting. If it's only ~ 4% then what's the problem--'Rogers'? Funny too, because the site does state that the majority of customers have plenty of bandwidth. This seems to me they've over subscribed and instead of admitting it, Rogers decide to punish customers, not themselves for making this gross (apparent) over estimate.
BTW, Newfie, thanks for the stats and I was in no way referring to you, but asking what the heck is Rogers thinking?
As for the original topic. I could see this being possible because of their own greed. Rogers is plugged straight into the backbone and left in their clumsy hands, spending millions on commercials and other such glut, it's no wonder they would be in panic mode. |
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