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jester121
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Re: I think fixing Health Care is a Better Deal
Thank you for your service to our country sir.
I think the numerous cases of waste, abuse, fraud, and bureaucracy in the VA system that we've all heard about is a much better example of what we have to look forward to from universal socialist health care. The care you and your family received on base as active personnel was surely excellent and without hassle. | |
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| said by jester121  :Thank you for your service to our country sir. I think the numerous cases of waste, abuse, fraud, and bureaucracy in the VA system that we've all heard about is a much better example of what we have to look forward to from universal socialist health care. Socialist health care? Is that like the Socialist Fire Department and Socialist Police Department we have? Last time I checked, we didn't pay fireman or policeman insurance to a private company. It's provided via our taxes.
Too many people rail on universal health care, often throwing in the word socialist or likening it to Russia or China? People really need to learn some history, as when the US had universal health care before it became private, it worked very well. When health care became private, companies made billions, we all fight our insurance companies to get anything major covered, we still pay a ton for health insurance monthly, and insurance companies have staff dedicated to weaseling out of everything they are suppose to pay for coverage no matter how healthy you are.
Wake me up when we get our universal health care back and we don't have to walk into a hospital with a valid insurance card or some private company before they will treat the sick or injured.  | |
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| said by knightmb :often throwing in the word socialist or likening it to Russia or China? IMO, this is just a ploy to stop all discussion. There are certain things we've been raised to reflexively oppose. Invoking those words is just a way to get people back into (unthinking) conformity.
"Socialist? I don't want to be that!"
And then we proceed with the status quo.... as our medical choices are limited by social regulation (creating non-free market standards). Or, the Federal Reserve bails out Wall St. banks (just 2-3 years after employees of those banks were receiving bonuses equal to their annual salaries). Or, home builders are allowed to write off current losses using taxes paid up to 5 years ago.
We have socialized capitalism. Those who invoke the reflex words the most ("socialist," "communist") don't want to delve into that topic.
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| said by amigo_boy :said by knightmb :often throwing in the word socialist or likening it to Russia or China? IMO, this is just a ploy to stop all discussion. There are certain things we've been raised to reflexively oppose. Invoking those words is just a way to get people back into (unthinking) conformity. "Socialist? I don't want to be that!" And then we proceed with the status quo.... as our medical choices are limited by social regulation (creating non-free market standards). Or, the Federal Reserve bails out Wall St. banks (just 2-3 years after employees of those banks were receiving bonuses equal to their annual salaries). Or, home builders are allowed to write off current losses using taxes paid up to 5 years ago. We have socialized capitalism. Those who invoke the reflex words the most ("socialist," "communist") don't want to delve into that topic. Mark Yes, it is a way to stop discussion by saying Socialist Medicine. Insurance companies figure tons of ways to deny a claim.
Boy, when Wall Street stumbles, they rush in don't they? Of course, the little people at Bear Stearns are all getting fired. The Bear Stearns CEO walks away with $80 million though.
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said by amigo_boy :said by knightmb :often throwing in the word socialist or likening it to Russia or China? IMO, this is just a ploy to stop all discussion. There are certain things we've been raised to reflexively oppose. Invoking those words is just a way to get people back into (unthinking) conformity. "Socialist? I don't want to be that!" And then we proceed with the status quo.... as our medical choices are limited by social regulation (creating non-free market standards). Or, the Federal Reserve bails out Wall St. banks (just 2-3 years after employees of those banks were receiving bonuses equal to their annual salaries). Or, home builders are allowed to write off current losses using taxes paid up to 5 years ago. We have socialized capitalism. Those who invoke the reflex words the most ("socialist," "communist") don't want to delve into that topic. Mark we've been scared of doing anything, for fear that we will have further problems then have been created already (the war, the recession, the housing crisis, the poverty crisis, the ignore-the-homeless-and-they-will-go-away crisis... if we don't pay attention to the homeless... eventually, they WILL go away...  ).
We need to do something different; not reject everything that is trying to be done. Mr. Bush has done things, even though we didn't necessarily want him to... we just have to elect leaders that will do things that will push the country in the direction that will help the people of the U.S.A., instead of harming them. I think that national healthcare would be a grand idea; sure, it might be rocky for the first 5 years, but then we just follow Canada - allow private healthcare - at least until everything is straightened out, and the health care approval rating (they should create one) is above, say, 85%.
Anything can be done successfully; you just have to take precautions first to make sure you don't mess the thing up before all of the bugs are worked out. I'd love national healthcare, free nationwide wireless internet, inexpensive broadband internet, that is fast too... I'd love all of these things. We just have to set it up right, and work out the bugs QUICKLY, before everyone gives up and the system caves-in.
i'm making sense to some, aren't I?
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