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amigo_boy

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April 21st, @06:31PM

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Re: I think fixing Health Care is a Better Deal

said by knightmb See Profile :

often throwing in the word socialist or likening it to Russia or China?
IMO, this is just a ploy to stop all discussion. There are certain things we've been raised to reflexively oppose. Invoking those words is just a way to get people back into (unthinking) conformity.

"Socialist? I don't want to be that!"

And then we proceed with the status quo.... as our medical choices are limited by social regulation (creating non-free market standards). Or, the Federal Reserve bails out Wall St. banks (just 2-3 years after employees of those banks were receiving bonuses equal to their annual salaries). Or, home builders are allowed to write off current losses using taxes paid up to 5 years ago.

We have socialized capitalism. Those who invoke the reflex words the most ("socialist," "communist") don't want to delve into that topic.

Mark


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said by amigo_boy See Profile :

said by knightmb See Profile :

often throwing in the word socialist or likening it to Russia or China?
IMO, this is just a ploy to stop all discussion. There are certain things we've been raised to reflexively oppose. Invoking those words is just a way to get people back into (unthinking) conformity.

"Socialist? I don't want to be that!"

And then we proceed with the status quo.... as our medical choices are limited by social regulation (creating non-free market standards). Or, the Federal Reserve bails out Wall St. banks (just 2-3 years after employees of those banks were receiving bonuses equal to their annual salaries). Or, home builders are allowed to write off current losses using taxes paid up to 5 years ago.

We have socialized capitalism. Those who invoke the reflex words the most ("socialist," "communist") don't want to delve into that topic.

Mark
Yes, it is a way to stop discussion by saying Socialist Medicine. Insurance companies figure tons of ways to deny a claim.

Boy, when Wall Street stumbles, they rush in don't they? Of course, the little people at Bear Stearns are all getting fired. The Bear Stearns CEO walks away with $80 million though.
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reply to amigo_boy
said by amigo_boy See Profile :

said by knightmb See Profile :

often throwing in the word socialist or likening it to Russia or China?
IMO, this is just a ploy to stop all discussion. There are certain things we've been raised to reflexively oppose. Invoking those words is just a way to get people back into (unthinking) conformity.

"Socialist? I don't want to be that!"

And then we proceed with the status quo.... as our medical choices are limited by social regulation (creating non-free market standards). Or, the Federal Reserve bails out Wall St. banks (just 2-3 years after employees of those banks were receiving bonuses equal to their annual salaries). Or, home builders are allowed to write off current losses using taxes paid up to 5 years ago.

We have socialized capitalism. Those who invoke the reflex words the most ("socialist," "communist") don't want to delve into that topic.

Mark
we've been scared of doing anything, for fear that we will have further problems then have been created already (the war, the recession, the housing crisis, the poverty crisis, the ignore-the-homeless-and-they-will-go-away crisis... if we don't pay attention to the homeless... eventually, they WILL go away... ).

We need to do something different; not reject everything that is trying to be done. Mr. Bush has done things, even though we didn't necessarily want him to... we just have to elect leaders that will do things that will push the country in the direction that will help the people of the U.S.A., instead of harming them. I think that national healthcare would be a grand idea; sure, it might be rocky for the first 5 years, but then we just follow Canada - allow private healthcare - at least until everything is straightened out, and the health care approval rating (they should create one) is above, say, 85%.

Anything can be done successfully; you just have to take precautions first to make sure you don't mess the thing up before all of the bugs are worked out. I'd love national healthcare, free nationwide wireless internet, inexpensive broadband internet, that is fast too... I'd love all of these things. We just have to set it up right, and work out the bugs QUICKLY, before everyone gives up and the system caves-in.

i'm making sense to some, aren't I?
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