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Greg_Z
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Springfield, IL | Re: Bye bye Comcast Remember, they are always right, and you are always wrong. Then again, they do not know when to stop when the Tech holding the equipment can walk out with all of it, and stop the job. | |
|  reelbigfish
join:2002-06-06
Boston, MA | Re: Bye bye Comcast Also, due to the use of interleaving, the pings on Uverse are at a minimum around 60ms to servers that are close to the user. Forget trying to get good pings to the other coast. | |
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imrf
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Utica, MI
 ·Comcast
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by reelbigfish  :Also, due to the use of interleaving, the pings on Uverse are at a minimum around 60ms to servers that are close to the user. Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. Go look at the traces from people who actually have the service. It's actually a third of what you claim. | |
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join:2002-06-06
Boston, MA | Re: Bye bye Comcast Actually I know people in CT that have Uverse and their pings are close to 60ms. If you aren't right next to the VRAD, things can get pretty hairy with the pings. | |
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast Typing ADSL2 into Google image search gives me a bunch of graphs like this which gives me the idea there is a distance limitation unless ATT will stream you 1 SD channel and 256Kbps internet if your 2 miles from the VRAD. | |
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imrf
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Utica, MI | Re: Bye bye Comcast Read up on how AT&T has deployed their network then you might understand how distance won't effect U-Verse. | |
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Brandon, MS | Re: Bye bye Comcast imrf is like a modern day Robin Hood. Congrats on doing your part to bring awareness to the dirty deeds of the evil cable company!!! You, sir, are a crusader!! | |
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CableTool
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1 edit | Re: Bye bye Comcast said by TopDog :imrf is like a modern day Robin Hood. Congrats on doing your part to bring awareness to the dirty deeds of the evil cable company!!! You, sir, are a crusader!! Haha. Thats a little dramatic?
Which part was better? The part where IMRF thinks Comcast only offers 8/768 and doesnt believe in 1mb up. Even though they are currently rolling out 2mb up across the country?
The part where IMRF thinks that 16/2 is ONLY Offered in Fios areas.. which it most certainly is not.
Or the part where IMRF agreed that the HD limitations are ridiculous?
And then has the nerve to back up their decision by stating they most likely did a survey and found out people rarely have more then one HD set and wouldnt NEED more then one stream possible.. although they are working feverishly on allowing more.. for some unknown reason. Because there OBVIOUSLY isnt a demand for it...
Well, people rarley use more then 1mb up or down in daily surfing... but that doesnt stop people from masturbating to FIOS?
Really TopDog.. thats silly.
said by imrf : AT&T offers a faster tier of internet service than Comcast does. AT&T offers a 10Mbps/1Mbps tier, Comcast doesn't. PowerBoost isn't even close to the same thing. Also, all of AT&T's U-Verse tiers are 1Mbps up, something that Comcast doesn't believe in. said by imrf :said by CableTool :I guess comcast doesnt offer 16/2? Oh wait.. they do. Not in Michigan they don't. Do they offer it in non-FiOs areas? Uh... yeah.. they do.
said by imrf :I do agree with you on the 1 HD stream, that does suck. One of the reasons why I don't have the service myself. So then why the arguing?
said by imrf :said by Greg_Z :And, what really gets me, is the number of people that go into a CATV provider forum, and Troll about Satellite, or the competition to impress others. Could be worse, could get the trolls that bash something they don't know anything about.  Try and call me a troll all you want, I have WOW cable, but I can't stand ignorance, and seeing some of the dumb comments posted in this thread just shows how ignorant some are to other choices. Like someone saying Comcast doesnt believe in any higher tiers and that AT&T is faster then Comcast?
»Discuss 16/2 or 12/2 speed tiers here, please
»DOCSIS 3.0 "wideband" Service starting with Twin Cities
»Comcast Offers 50Mbps
Tallyho....
Again, Im all for competition. I dont bash just to bash because Im a Shill or Fan Boy. I am a fan of the industry. This includes FIOS and now U-Verse. Fios is great, needs some work on their VOD offerings and a few other Video limitations, U-Verse needs work in every aspect of their offerings.
Thats my bottomline.
Quick edit-
Another note mirroring the sentiments in this thread.
»U-Verse Expands In Michigan | |
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hitachi369
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by CableTool :Haha. Thats a little dramatic? Which part was better? The part where IMRF thinks Comcast only offers 8/768 and doesnt believe in 1mb up. Even though they are currently rolling out 2mb up across the country? The part where IMRF thinks that 16/2 is ONLY Offered in Fios areas.. which it most certainly is not. Well its all really a moot point when comcast doesnt offer it in our area. But how much do you want to bet that we will see it soon? Because of competition or normal upgrades? Who knows and who cares, all I have to say is we don't have it now.
said by CableTool :Or the part where IMRF agreed that the HD limitations are ridiculous? And then has the nerve to back up their decision by stating they most likely did a survey and found out people rarely have more then one HD set and wouldnt NEED more then one stream possible.. although they are working feverishly on allowing more.. for some unknown reason. Because there OBVIOUSLY isnt a demand for it... Well, people rarley use more then 1mb up or down in daily surfing... but that doesnt stop people from masturbating to FIOS? How many HD streams do you realistically watch? I'm sure you will inflate the number and say everyone in your house needs a 3 HD shows on all the time, but when push comes to shove how many HD streams do you think the average person watches? I can say right now, I may use a HD stream 1/8 of the time, am I an anomaly? Maybe
CableTool, I love your clear and non-bias issues you bring to the table.
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1 edit | Re: Bye bye Comcast 1 HD stream at a time would be a dealbreaker for me. There are many times where we are recording 2 shows at once, and even then still have conflicts at times with a 3rd show we want to record. On top of that, I haven't heard good things about the HD quality. I'm sure it will be a lot more attractive when they remedy these things, but then again it's not even an option here so the point is really moot. | |
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CableTool
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| I may be the only one Non-Biased?
I dont watch HD at all. I have two HD tvs and rarely watch anything HD. What "I" do isnt the issue however. Much as YOUR viewing habits arent the issue since we are speaking of an industry.
What is offered in Grand Rapids and what Comcast Offers might be two different things. Im certainly not speaking to Michigans offerings however? Im speaking to the industry. And again, with everyone ramping up speed tiers, BURSTING onto the scene with 10/1.5 as your highest tier is weak.
Everyone walks around wearing your "local" blinders. I cant speak to what each and every local area offers or how they operate. I can speak to what companies offer in regards to setting industry standards.
16/2 will be in Michigan soon enough most likely, and U-Verse will shortly be behind. Again.
AT&T U-Verse launched in my area, Non verizon. They are already the slowest internet for the money. Behind RCN, WOW and Comcast. And with their current set up, limiting how many sets, SD, HD you can actually have on at the same time.
Im I the ONLY ONE that thinks that is archaic?
It might be a great fit, t might be cheaper for your ( although from what Im seeing its on par or more expensive then the alternatives ) thats great. It doesnt change the fact that it seems like a really crappy roll out of a half baked product.
I hope Im wrong. I hope they step up. Once they do they might be taken seriously and we might see cable companies stepping up yet again to surpass them. Thats what keeps all the consumers winning.
But coming out with a sub par product isnt really doing anyone any good is it?
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imrf
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Utica, MI
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by CableTool :But coming out with a sub par product isnt really doing anyone any good is it? It's only sub-par in your eyes, and the really technically proficient people. The majority of the target audience doesn't have HD. But the included DVR that records 4 shows at once is a huge hit. Why you can't look past that is beyond me.
It's not like Comcast's, RCN's, or even WOW's products are vastly superior. They all have their flaws. But I guess it's hard to see past the company blinders, eh? | |
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CableTool
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by imrf :said by CableTool :But coming out with a sub par product isnt really doing anyone any good is it? It's only sub-par in your eyes, and the really technically proficient people. The majority of the target audience doesn't have HD. But the included DVR that records 4 shows at once is a huge hit. Why you can't look past that is beyond me. It's not like Comcast's, RCN's, or even WOW's products are vastly superior. They all have their flaws. But I guess it's hard to see past the company blinders, eh? You can spin it any way you want. "The majority of the target audience doesnt have HD" ? Where do you get that from?
How is AT&T actively targeting NON-HD subscribers?
Also, in speaking of internet offerings, which I clearly did, the previously mentioned cablecos ARE vastly superior to U-Verse.
A DVR that records 4 programs at once IS great. But Ill play your game and be the devils advocate here.
The average tv viewer will never have any need to record 4 programs at once.
See how that logic makes absolutely NO SENSE?
Making up nonesense statistics doesnt really make it so.
Recording 4 shows at once begs the question ( since I do not have U-Verse ) will recording 4 shows = 4 streams leaving you only with one? So say you have a DVR and 3 SD boxes, if your DVR is working on 4 recordings does that mean you can only watch one show on another box?
This entire thread prety much echoes my thoughts or views on U-Verse. And its by people who actually have it or have had it.
»U-Verse = Unfinished product
From working in this industry for 14 years I can see the pitfalls without ever seeing the service. Even on paper it is flawed as a competitor. But even AT&Ts own U-Verse subs state the same obvious flaws.
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imrf
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Utica, MI
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by CableTool : Where do you get that from? Just look at HD sales. They aren't all that hot. Look at how many SD boxes you have in the system compared to HD.
How is AT&T actively targeting NON-HD subscribers? Polls, questionnaires? duh.
Also, in speaking of internet offerings, which I clearly did, the previously mentioned cablecos ARE vastly superior to U-Verse. Again, not really. The majority of Comcast systems don't have 16/2 so your point is moot about Comcast having it. As of today, right now, AT&T has a much better internet offering here in MI, and many/most of their U-Verse areas compared to Comcast and their competitors. But yes, Comcast has such a great internet offering they must choke BitTorrent and have hidden caps. Yep, they're awesome.
But you said products, you didn't mention any single one.
So say you have a DVR and 3 SD boxes, if your DVR is working on 4 recordings does that mean you can only watch one show on another box? 0. You're allowed 4 stream per house, at the moment.
This entire thread prety much echoes my thoughts or views on U-Verse. And its by people who actually have it or have had it. » U-Verse = Unfinished product
From working in this industry for 14 years I can see the pitfalls without ever seeing the service. Even on paper it is flawed as a competitor. But even AT&Ts own U-Verse subs state the same obvious flaws. Right. Well, think what you wish. It isn't a perfect service, but again, neither is Comcast, or RCN, or DTV or Dish Network and so on. | |
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CableTool
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by imrf :Right. Well, think what you wish. It isn't a perfect service, but again, neither is Comcast, or RCN, or DTV or Dish Network and so on. Right. Well, no one is stopping anyone from criticising them either? So why are you trying to surpress me?
Sorry Sorto. It doesnt seem to be a Internet OR Video discussion. Its a service or competitors discussion.
IMRF-
So of everything said the only thing you can throw back at me is a 4 show DVR. Which I agree is awesome. Until you learn you can ABSOLUTELY record four shows at once. But watch nothing else on any tv in the house?
Also Im not comparing Comcast Systems. When it comes to AT&T rolling out a new ( 5 years in the making ) product I am comparing them to the Industry as it stands today.
And it just does not stand up to their competitors.
I couldnt care less about Michigan. As Ive stated, it might fit for some people, but all in all its an odd roll out of a flawed and limiting technology in comparison to its competition.
I never stated it should be a perfect product. I stated it should be a finished and at the very least viable product.
Ill defend cable and Ill even defend FIOS because I think they got it right. I believe we will see cable go FTTH in enough time and the war will wage on.
I just do not see where AT&T fits in the war with its current technology, or even future technology.
My apologies for my opinion. I wasnt aware I wasnt entitled to one.
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imrf
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Utica, MI
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by CableTool :I wasnt aware I wasnt entitled to one. Nothing wrong with opinions. It's the lies and misinformation that needs to be weeded out. You haven't given out the proper information on the U-Verse system. You keep going on and on and on about HD. The fact is very few people care about HD, and AT&T took the chance and launched the service with 1 HD stream at a time. You may not like it, but many others don't have a problem or don't even know. Why keep going on about it?
I just do not see where AT&T fits in the war with its current technology, or even future technology. Gotta love corporate blinders. | |
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CableTool
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast Im not sure where Im going on about the HD. Im going on about limited streams. Of ANYTING. HD, SD. I even stated I myself do not watch it nor do I care about it.
You are truly reaching here.
I have 4 or 5 posts on this page alone. Not one of them drones about HD. I think I stated ONCE that its limited to one stream and that is a turn off to some. Actually, you agreed thats why you do not have U-Verse. For the exact reason you state isnt a reason at all?
You on the other hand keep going back to "SURVEYS SAY PEOPLE DONT CARE ABOUT HD"
I say, every other post in the Comcast forum is asking WHEN they will get more HD, why there isnt more HD, who has more HD.
But to you, its no big deal. To the industry its a hot button, a buzzword and synonomous with speed tiers.
Point out one lie or misinformation?
Max speed is 10/1.5
This is a might slower then most all of its competition.
Limited to 1 HD stream.
Your kid wants to watch the game in HD in the basement on the flatscreen while your wife wants HGTVHD in the family room, out of luck.
Limited to 4 streams total.
5 tvs? Out of luck. Cut back or mirror them ( is that an option?)
AWESOME 4 show DVR!!
Recording 4 shows renders the other 3 sets useless as all streams are used up.
You KNOW if I was in the video forum and people were going on and on about HD and I stated "Hey, people dont care about HD, polls and surveys ( uncited ) show this. I would be crucified, called a shill, a fan boy and appear INSANELY out of touch with what the customers want and making excuses.
But thats your argument. One Im not niave enough to make. I know most people will not use the bandwidth they have, this forum would state differently. Industry wide you have to answer that call.
ATT hasnt.
This has nothing to do with corporate or who I work for. It has to do with an industry, a standard and a lacking.
Between you and me I dont think Im the one wearing blinders. I can see what the products are and what they offer in comparison.
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imrf
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Utica, MI
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by CableTool :I say, every other post in the Comcast forum is asking WHEN they will get more HD, why there isnt more HD, who has more HD. That's because this website does NOT represent the majority of any company's target audience. Period.
Point out one lie or misinformation?
Max speed is 10/1.5
This is a might slower then most all of its competition. Misinformation. Very few companies have this speed tier across their entire footprint. Few select Comcast areas get the 16/2 tier, so the fastest Comcast offers across its entire network is, 8Mbps/768Kbps. So yes, AT&T is actually faster.
Limited to 1 HD stream.
Your kid wants to watch the game in HD in the basement on the flatscreen while your wife wants HGTVHD in the family room, out of luck. Yes, for the limited amount of people that have that scenario. Very few do, and AT&T does it's best to warn people upfront about it. That will be soon changing though.
Limited to 4 streams total. Yes, again currently.
5 tvs? Out of luck. Cut back or mirror them ( is that an option?) Multiple sets can watch the same channel and not deduct from total feeds, so mirro.
Industry wide you have to answer that call.
ATT hasnt. What are you talking about? They are taking steps for the future. You're living in a dream world if you think they aren't.
I can see what the products are and what they offer in comparison. But you actually don't look at it in a realistic perspective. You're looking at it from the wrong end. Nobody on this site is the average joe.
I'm done going round and round with you on this. You have your opinion and I have mine. | |
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CableTool
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| Re: Bye bye Comcast said by imrf : I'm done going round and round with you on this. You have your opinion and I have mine. Agreed.
You believe it isnt a roll out of one of the most limiting products and services to date, and Ill believe the opposite.
To launch a product with the caveat that all things are changing and being made to actually work like it should is pretty crappy. I havent had anyone disagree with my sentiment save you.
To say "they are taking steps for the future" when it took them 5 years to get this ball rolling is hilarity personafied. because really the future should be now. 5 years ago U-Verse would be BLOWING MINDS. Unfortunately its not 5 years ago.
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