QuickSurfer
join:2001-12-15
Georgetown, ON
 ·Cogeco Cable
| Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- Just released by the Azureus Software team.
WORST OFFENDERS
ISP Country Reset %
Comcast USA 23.72%
Cogeco Canada 19.13%
Emirates Internet UAE 17.86%
Cablevision USA 17.58%
Brasil Telecom Santa Catarina, Brazil 17.43%
TM Net Malaysia 16.80%
BellSouth USA 15.88%
Tedata Egypt 15.33%
Tiscali UK 14.89%
AOL USA 14.88%
GOOD ISPs
ISP Country Reset %
Telecom Italia France France 2.53%
Orange Nederland The Netherlands 2.57%
WiLine USA 2.78%
Telefonica Germany 3.60%
Freenet Germany 4.21%
"TCP resets seem to be more common for American ISPs, and Comcast leads the bunch. The Azureus team has sent a letter to Cablevision, Cogeco, BellSouth and AOL, where they request that the companies are open about their BitTorrent throttling practices. Thus far, the ISPs have not responded to the letters."
»torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-thro···-080421/
»torrentfreak.com//images/vuze-pl···ults.pdf | |
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beatsnpieces
join:2007-12-17
| Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- Wow, 22 whole Cogeco users were in this study, such a large cross section...
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ilnexistepas
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Creating FUD is so much fun to do! | |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON | Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- 19.13% what? Without a method of reference, those 'statistics' are meaningless. You should update your post with a little more explanation... | |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| said by beatsnpieces  :Wow, 22 whole Cogeco users were in this study, such a large cross section.../endsarcasm Oh, look, it's sarcasm... I guess low-brow 'humour' is making a comeback.
Went on to read the PDF since I find this topic interesting, as I haven't been able to seed worth shit for a while now...
a) 22 users is a large sample set considering this was a *beta* test of the plugin and we're talking about testing on a global scale.
b) Expect this number to grow as this information is becoming public, especially with the aid of Michael Geist's blog which has a very large audience. I've already seen a few facebook notes posted to his blog entry on Cogeco, so expect this knowledge to grow as well.
c) Why don't you test it, and see for yourself? | |
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join:2006-07-10
·Cogeco Cable
3 edits | It's not that sample size that is important. its the fact that a 3rd party confirmed what we all suspected, that Cogeco throttles p2p (and who knows what else). And why don't we know for sure? Because Cogeco won't tell anybody what they are doing to the data you transmit over the network. | |
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pat_lc2000
join:2006-02-04
Ottawa, ON | It's really a bad study, not because of the size...but because Azureus has done it.
Most bittorrenters have long changed to utorrent which is less of a resource hog then Azureus. | |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- That's... not a very intelligent conclusion.
Azureus is an extremely well programmed application, but resides on Java for portability so it can be utilized on practically every operating system. This java requirement is what utilizes a great deal of RAM (not resources), and only about 128mb stock which can be easily lowered to 53mb.
Azureus/Vuze is also GPL'd open source, so you can clearly see the code yourself, to determine if it's up to your quality of coding (although I'm fairly sure you're not a programmer)... while uTorrent is completely closed source.
Furthermore, a recent study put uTorrent at 12% of the market share of P2P applications, while Azureus has 5%. That's hardly 'most bittorrenters'. Another study by Digital Music News found Azureus had 3.2% installation base while uTorrent had only a 2.7% installation base. | |
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- said by urbanriot :That's... not a very intelligent conclusion. No, but the intelligent conclusion as to why this is a bad study is because it was only using one method to determine throttling, while leaving out all other methods. The very fact that Rogers and Bell - the two largest and well-known BT throttlers in this country who are far larger than Cogeco - shows that this "study" really doesn't give a fair indication of what's going on in the industry, though it does indeed prove that Cogeco is throttling connections, albeit in a very sinister way that makes proper traffic shaping look pretty.
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
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| We just started ripping this report apart in this thread as well: »more P2P Interference - Cogeco
The report is seriously flawed in it's methodology and data collection. It doesn't take into account other factors that can contribute to packets being reset and it doesn't look at TCP packets only (it collected data for ALL network connections).
In addition, the data was collected from the users PC versus somewhere on the network, which is also the wrong way to do it.
Packet capturing from your PC doesn't prove throttling. It may help prove it, but it's too biased. | |
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join:2006-07-10
1 edit | Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- Cogeco giving us a 'yes we do throttle under these circumstances' or 'we do not throttle, it's against policy' would solve the issue completely. | |
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join:2004-05-31
SE Ontario
·Cogeco Cable
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- said by ancodia :Cogeco giving us a 'yes we do throttle under these circumstances' or 'we do not throttle, it's against policy' would solve the issue completely. I agree...Personally I'm getting tired of the rhetoric..Some people seem to be having issues, others are not ..IF they are throttling, it is obviously not across the board, unlike Bell(so far :-/ )..
To the people with issues, that's too bad (no sarcasm intended)I don't have any issues, so don't crap on myself and those of us that don't. | |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
1 edit | said by ancodia :Cogeco giving us a 'yes we do throttle under these circumstances' or 'we do not throttle, it's against policy' would solve the issue completely. Well, the did publicly respond:
Marie Carrier, a spokesperson for Cogeco, said the company does not use false resets. Cogeco likely ranked poorly in Vuze's study because of the small number of customers who took part.
"The sampling was not really representative.… We don't do that type of intentional interruption," she said. "It's not conclusive." So... what type of intentional interrupting do they use? | |
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- said by urbanriot :So... what type of intentional interrupting do they use? Hot damn! I think this is the first time Cogeco has officially said anything in response to the throttling allegations. Sure it wasn't conclusive and may have brought up more questions than it answered, but they did indeed answer!
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join:1999-12-26
Flushing, NY | Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- u will neva get a deff answer because there is a liabilty issue saying yes means they will be sued for tryin to control the internet | |
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T9
@cgocable.net
| Well, they've told me in the past, when I asked, that they do not throttle. I was clear, and the response was clear, and I didn't get the impression that he was lying. The data is questionable, so it needs to be looked into further, but Cogeco has been the best ISP I've seen so far (in my area anyway), so I'm really hoping they're not throttling. | |
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jsmaster
join:2008-03-16
Montreal, QC
·Videotron
·Cogeco Cable
| Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- said by T9 :
Well, they've told me in the past, when I asked, that they do not throttle. I was clear, and the response was clear, and I didn't get the impression that he was lying. The data is questionable, so it needs to be looked into further, but Cogeco has been the best ISP I've seen so far (in my area anyway), so I'm really hoping they're not throttling.
From wich sources it is ? I don't think it is a reliable test or something. It's like an hidden marketing process | |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| said by Deadpool :We just started ripping this report apart in this thread as well: There's no ripping anything apart... it's you suggesting that the data collection is flawed, and that the debate should start after your post and a couple people responding. All I see in that thread is some anecdotal suggestions that the collection methods are flawed... | |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- said by urbanriot :said by Deadpool :We just started ripping this report apart in this thread as well: There's no ripping anything apart... it's you suggesting that the data collection is flawed, and that the debate should start after your post and a couple people responding. All I see in that thread is some anecdotal suggestions that the collection methods are flawed... Ok, fine. I started ripping it apart.
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON | Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- said by Deadpool :Better? Hah, Yes! (Good attitude!) | |
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ixiom
join:2004-06-30
Hamilton, ON
·Bell Sympatico
| I've been kinda going through this for a bit, trying to get the straight answer from Cogeco..and it's not easy - check out »Any options for (non-throttled) High speed (DSL, Cable)?
if you're interested.
Bottom line though is that it's difficult to get a qualified YES or NO from them...Mostly it's "Not that I'm aware of" or "I can't confirm or deny that..I don't know".
Having the spokesperson say that though is interesting. | |
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YouKnowMe6
join:2008-04-24
canada | Out of the "22" it would be interesting to see modem reports. | |
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| Exodus_
join:2005-10-07
Brockville, ON
·Cogeco Cable
·Bell Sympatico
| Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- It would also be interesting to see how people have their client set up.
I can't deny any traffic shaping taking place elsewhere on the network, but with good settings on a good torrent I can max out both my upstream and downstream quite easily..
However, if I lived in an area with a congested/highly loaded node.. some traffic shaping to p2p traffic to ensure I get decent HTTP/FTP speeds would not anger me too much.. | |
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join:2006-05-18
Canada
| Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” - Benjamin Franklin
Odd how quotes like these still crop up once in a while, eh?
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I_H8_Spam
join:2004-03-10
Dundas, ON | I dont see the problem.
Just finished a 2g torrent on the private tracker, leeched at a solid 800+kbps the entire time no problem. | |
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Shyte
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join:2002-02-27
NF, ON | Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- The problem is with uploads, not downloads..
Shyte.. | |
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I_H8_Spam
join:2004-03-10
Dundas, ON
·Cogeco Cable
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- said by Shyte :The problem is with uploads, not downloads.. Shyte.. I have been seeding that same torrent at a steady 50KBPS now for at least 18 hours. | |
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Shyte
Premium
join:2002-02-27
NF, ON
| Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- said by I_H8_Spam :said by Shyte :The problem is with uploads, not downloads.. Shyte.. I have been seeding that same torrent at a steady 50KBPS now for at least 18 hours. You don't have to preach to me, I've yet to see any throttling here but apparently you haven't read many of the posts around here because mass amount of people do experience it.. | |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON | Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- Sure does. The term 'throttling' doesn't have such a precise definition that I'm sure people could get away with ambiguously answering the question. | |
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poopypoo
@cgocable.net
| Just like Jeisenberg, I don't know anyting about anything when it comes to the interwebs and their inner-workings.
But, what if Jeisenberg is 100% correct, AND what if there were routers out there that somehow interfered with the "packet inspections" and the "reset commands". It might be worth looking into for some people. | |
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StEC
Proud
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join:2003-11-27
NiagaraFalls
4 edits | Piss me right off......I can seed porn torrents at full upload speed (good!) on my Cogeco standard connection but if I seed music I am limited to a pathetic 10kb's (BAD!) now tell me this is not packet shaping or throttling or whatever you want to call it!?!? It can take me like an hour to seed a 1gig porno but it will also take me an hour to seed a 50mb cd this is ridiculous *ROUGH EXAMPLE*!
Why Cogeco allows porn without restriction but limits music is beyond me but it's obvious they are looking at what is going through their pipes and picking and choosing what is acceptable to them and what's not???
It's almost impossible to maintain my share ratio when I am throttled like this! 
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StEC
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join:2003-11-27
NiagaraFalls
2 edits | NO...why would I be joking? I am 100% serious I want to know why some things are throttled and some things aren't!? Nothing should be throttled especially since nothing I am sharing is illegal or copyrighted except for the odd porn (copyrighted lol) the music I am sharing is of local bands and this is how they get the word out about them.
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON | Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- I'm sure everyone else will chime in, but... well, you're completely wrong. They can't throttle based on content. | |
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StEC
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join:2003-11-27
NiagaraFalls | Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- Well they are somehow? | |
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StEC
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join:2003-11-27
NiagaraFalls
| Or they are able to throttle specific trackers I dunno but somehow music is ALWAYS throttled any tracker site any time of the day I can never upload at more than 10kbs constant odd 15kbs bursts but the porn goes at full bore anytime of the day but it's only one specific tracker that I use for that so maybe it's not blacklisted?
I don't begin to pretend I understand this stuff I'm just saying I see first hand throttling being done on my account!
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
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join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- I can only assume that the music you're uploading isn't wanted by others who are connected to that tracker.
And if there are 300 other people uploading the same music as you on that tracker, then you're not going to use up a lot of upload bandwidth individually (which is the whole point of BT). | |
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StEC
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join:2003-11-27
NiagaraFalls
1 edit | Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- said by Deadpool :I can only assume that the music you're uploading isn't wanted by others who are connected to that tracker. And if there are 300 other people uploading the same music as you on that tracker, then you're not going to use up a lot of upload bandwidth individually (which is the whole point of BT). Well that is a good assumption but to prove my suspicion I would create a new torrent on a private tracker seed a cd then have my friend who is just across town here in Welland start downloading off me....I have nothing else being uploaded at the time I do this.... he is also on a Cogeco standard connection and I'm still being throttled because I have the same shitty dial up upload speed. I have done this experiment both during peak and off peak hours and I also had a different friend out in BC get in on this experiment to the same result. Also I can have 10 people all trying to get the same cd off me and they are only getting it at 1kbs each that is embarrassing!
Again I will stress I can do the same experiment with a porn movie but on a different private tracker and man I can max my upload which is beautiful!
However I don't do the porn thing much nor do I care about my upload when it comes to porn but I help out many local and indie bands by seeding their music and it would be nice to get what I pay for in terms of advertised speeds at least something remotely close!?
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DrDog
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join:2006-07-28
Fort Erie, ON | Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- I am not an expert in Torrent things, but I do know that one seed, a good connection it does not make. | |
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Cogeco Blues
@cgocable.net
| I'm pretty sure Cogeco do some sort of bandwidth throttling that I'm occasionally can workaround with port forwarding, Still upload speed is way under 15-10KB/s.
Next problem is the stupid DL / UL Cap, I upgraded to the Pro and still get the damn warning towards end of the month that I exceeded my limit. This is really annoying for the price they charge (Over $60 per month) | |
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Gullible
@co.uk | Good grief, is there still actual any kind of doubt that this is being done? | |
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