YouKnowMe6
join:2008-04-24
canada | reply to QuickSurfer
Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ--
Out of the "22" it would be interesting to see modem reports. |
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Exodus_
join:2005-10-07
Brockville, ON
 ·Cogeco Cable
 ·Bell Sympatico
| It would also be interesting to see how people have their client set up.
I can't deny any traffic shaping taking place elsewhere on the network, but with good settings on a good torrent I can max out both my upstream and downstream quite easily..
However, if I lived in an area with a congested/highly loaded node.. some traffic shaping to p2p traffic to ensure I get decent HTTP/FTP speeds would not anger me too much.. |
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Joe_Computer
join:2006-05-18
Canada
| “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” - Benjamin Franklin
Odd how quotes like these still crop up once in a while, eh?
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I_H8_Spam
join:2004-03-10
Dundas, ON | reply to QuickSurfer
I dont see the problem.
Just finished a 2g torrent on the private tracker, leeched at a solid 800+kbps the entire time no problem. |
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Shyte
Premium
join:2002-02-27
NF, ON | The problem is with uploads, not downloads..
Shyte.. |
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jeisenberg
New Year's Eve
join:2001-07-06
Windsor, ON
·Cogeco Cable
 ·Cogeco Voip
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Maybe the whole issue of "throttling" is a matter of semantics. Bear with me if this doesn't make sense, because I don't use any P2P applications, so I'm talking out of my hat.
My understanding of the word "throttling" is a reduction in actual bandwidth made available to a specific application.
For the sake of argument (and again, I have no way to know for sure), let's say Cogeco is performing Deep Packet Inspection and is able to determine that certain traffic is being generated by specific applications. Let's further say that in response to this analysis, Cogeco sends occasional RESET commands to the sender and receiver of the stream.
My understanding of the consequences would be to either force retransmission of lost/damaged packets, or delay the streaming while the sender/receiver reestablish communication.
In that way, the effective speed of uploads could be slowed without altering the actual upload speed of the connection.
Cogeco could then technically claim that no throttling (reduction in speed) is occurring, while end users would experience slowness.
Does any of this make sense? |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON | Sure does. The term 'throttling' doesn't have such a precise definition that I'm sure people could get away with ambiguously answering the question. |
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I_H8_Spam
join:2004-03-10
Dundas, ON
·Cogeco Cable
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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said by Shyte  :The problem is with uploads, not downloads.. Shyte.. I have been seeding that same torrent at a steady 50KBPS now for at least 18 hours. |
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Shyte
Premium
join:2002-02-27
NF, ON
| said by I_H8_Spam :said by Shyte :The problem is with uploads, not downloads.. Shyte.. I have been seeding that same torrent at a steady 50KBPS now for at least 18 hours. You don't have to preach to me, I've yet to see any throttling here but apparently you haven't read many of the posts around here because mass amount of people do experience it.. |
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poopypoo
@cgocable.net
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Just like Jeisenberg, I don't know anyting about anything when it comes to the interwebs and their inner-workings.
But, what if Jeisenberg is 100% correct, AND what if there were routers out there that somehow interfered with the "packet inspections" and the "reset commands". It might be worth looking into for some people. |
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StEC
Proud
Premium
join:2003-11-27
NiagaraFalls
4 edits | reply to QuickSurfer
Piss me right off......I can seed porn torrents at full upload speed (good!) on my Cogeco standard connection but if I seed music I am limited to a pathetic 10kb's (BAD!) now tell me this is not packet shaping or throttling or whatever you want to call it!?!? It can take me like an hour to seed a 1gig porno but it will also take me an hour to seed a 50mb cd this is ridiculous *ROUGH EXAMPLE*!
Why Cogeco allows porn without restriction but limits music is beyond me but it's obvious they are looking at what is going through their pipes and picking and choosing what is acceptable to them and what's not???
It's almost impossible to maintain my share ratio when I am throttled like this! 
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exseven
Premium,VIP
join:2003-05-23
Beamsville, ON
| said by StEC :Piss me right off......I can seed porn torrents at full upload speed (good!) on my Cogeco standard connection but if I seed music I am limited to a pathetic 10kb's (BAD!) now tell me this is not packet shaping or throttling or whatever you want to call it!?!? It can take me like an hour to seed a 1gig porno but it will also take me an hour to seed a 50mb cd this is ridiculous *ROUGH EXAMPLE*! Why Cogeco allows porn without restriction but limits music is beyond me but it's obvious they are looking at what is going through their pipes and picking and choosing what is acceptable to them and what's not??? It's almost impossible to maintain my share ratio when I am throttled like this! i hope you are joking |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON |  |
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StEC
Proud
Premium
join:2003-11-27
NiagaraFalls
2 edits | reply to QuickSurfer
NO...why would I be joking? I am 100% serious I want to know why some things are throttled and some things aren't!? Nothing should be throttled especially since nothing I am sharing is illegal or copyrighted except for the odd porn (copyrighted lol) the music I am sharing is of local bands and this is how they get the word out about them.
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON | I'm sure everyone else will chime in, but... well, you're completely wrong. They can't throttle based on content. |
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StEC
Proud
Premium
join:2003-11-27
NiagaraFalls | Well they are somehow? |
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StEC
Proud
Premium
join:2003-11-27
NiagaraFalls
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Or they are able to throttle specific trackers I dunno but somehow music is ALWAYS throttled any tracker site any time of the day I can never upload at more than 10kbs constant odd 15kbs bursts but the porn goes at full bore anytime of the day but it's only one specific tracker that I use for that so maybe it's not blacklisted?
I don't begin to pretend I understand this stuff I'm just saying I see first hand throttling being done on my account!
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| I can only assume that the music you're uploading isn't wanted by others who are connected to that tracker.
And if there are 300 other people uploading the same music as you on that tracker, then you're not going to use up a lot of upload bandwidth individually (which is the whole point of BT). |
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StEC
Proud
Premium
join:2003-11-27
NiagaraFalls
1 edit | said by Deadpool :I can only assume that the music you're uploading isn't wanted by others who are connected to that tracker. And if there are 300 other people uploading the same music as you on that tracker, then you're not going to use up a lot of upload bandwidth individually (which is the whole point of BT). Well that is a good assumption but to prove my suspicion I would create a new torrent on a private tracker seed a cd then have my friend who is just across town here in Welland start downloading off me....I have nothing else being uploaded at the time I do this.... he is also on a Cogeco standard connection and I'm still being throttled because I have the same shitty dial up upload speed. I have done this experiment both during peak and off peak hours and I also had a different friend out in BC get in on this experiment to the same result. Also I can have 10 people all trying to get the same cd off me and they are only getting it at 1kbs each that is embarrassing!
Again I will stress I can do the same experiment with a porn movie but on a different private tracker and man I can max my upload which is beautiful!
However I don't do the porn thing much nor do I care about my upload when it comes to porn but I help out many local and indie bands by seeding their music and it would be nice to get what I pay for in terms of advertised speeds at least something remotely close!?
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DrDog
VIP
join:2006-07-28
Fort Erie, ON | I am not an expert in Torrent things, but I do know that one seed, a good connection it does not make. |
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