Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- in Cogeco

Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- in Cogeco http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20366583 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:12:36 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:12:36 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20521935 Ignite : OK... you quoted a post of mine which confused the issue somewhat.

The assertion was that it's possible a provider of Cogeco's transit is throttling them, I pointed out that would be ridiculous as transit providers make their cash selling bandwidth.

I'm aware of how the model would work from Cogeco's point of view which is why I would say it's far more likely that the ISP with relatively limited upstream bandwidth and a financial reason to thottle it is far more likely to be doing so than the transit provider who makes more money the more bandwidth is used and whose bandwidth is symettrical. I have had the pleasure of configuring equipment to throttle bandwidth for an ISP ;)

I'm not sure you do know what IP transit is as the phrase 'I don't know if Cogeco has their own Link to the net or buys off of someone else.' says you don't.

Bell Canada are a tier 1 ISP, Cogeco are not. Cogeco are likely to pay someone like Bell to supply connectivity to the internet. Bell Canada's wholesale service, Cogent, etc, make their money selling bandwidth, someone has to pay. Only way to avoid paying for transit is to have settlement free peering to every single AS on the internet.

You might be interested to know that one of Cogeco's providers is also one of Teksavvy's, Cogent.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_transit will give you a clearer image of what IP Transit is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20521935 Thu, 22 May 2008 06:58:39 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20508544 ixiom :

said by Ignite

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Sorry but what are you talking about? I think you've lost the plot somewhat here. Firstly this is the Cogeco forum so I'm not sure of the relevance of what Bell do or do not do on their retail or wholesale platforms. Second if you follow the thread it goes like this:

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It may be that Cogeco is being opaque here and though not directly shaping itself, but maybe one of its bandwidth providers is the culprit.

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OK and why exactly would a company that makes its' money selling bandwidth on a per Mbit basis shape its' customers so that they use less bandwidth?

Which I would have thought it's pretty clear refers to a bandwidth provider of Cogeco, an IP transit provider as Cogeco obviously do not use the throttled Bell DSL infrastructure. Google it if you don't know what transit is.

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They make their money on the speed...and traffic shaping BT doesn't affect most of their clientele and the less usage, the less it costs them (sort of).

Is nothing at all to do with transit, which is charged on usage, with an assured minimum charge.

You either totally lost the sequence of the thread when Bell were mentioned, or have no idea what you're talking about, or possibly a bit of both. Either way Bell and what they do or do not do are totally irrelevant to Cogeco's network and any possible throttling. Your service personally is of course not indicative of the entire Cogeco network any more than my service is indicative of every subscriber of my ISP...

Fine. The relevance is that someone said 'ask bell', and that's where I entered the conversation. That's the relevance of talking about bell...Also, basically anything to do with Shaping right now has to do with bell or a comparison to bell.

Yes I know what IP Transit it, it just doesn't apply to what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Bell and Cogeco, neither of which are buying wholesale if I'm not mistaken. If I were talking about Teksavvy then we could talk about IP Transit and what it has to do with everything. I'm not. Bell, and Cogeco unless I'm mistaken, make their money from their subscribers' fees. If 90% of their subscribers only use 5 gigs of usage a month...that's a whole lot of available bandwidth they can continue to sell before upgrading hardware to handle additional load. But some BT users use a TON of bandwidth...but still only pay the same month fee (because of their 'unlimited' subscription...So the ISP is forced to buy costly hardware and upgrade their physical infrastructure before they want to. So throttling is very beneficial and cost saving to them.

I don't know if Cogeco has their own Link to the net or buys off of someone else. If they do, fine, you can continue your tirade on IP Transit until you're blue in the face. I was under the assumption that they were connected to the net in the same (general) way Bell (Sympatico) is. Rather than freak out, why don't you just ask what I mean or what I'm trying to say if you don't get where I'm going.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20508544 Mon, 19 May 2008 20:04:47 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20503627 jsmaster :

said by T9 :

Well, they've told me in the past, when I asked, that they do not throttle. I was clear, and the response was clear, and I didn't get the impression that he was lying. The data is questionable, so it needs to be looked into further, but Cogeco has been the best ISP I've seen so far (in my area anyway), so I'm really hoping they're not throttling.

From wich sources it is ? I don't think it is a reliable test or something. It's like an hidden marketing process]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20503627 Sun, 18 May 2008 21:24:39 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20502545 Ignite :

said by ixiom

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You're a very angry person aren't you?...To make you feel better...yes, you're entirely right, I'm completely wrong and probably a lunatic...

So again you can't actually answer any of the points in the post but persist on painting me as some kind of emo kid for disagreeing with you. Your prerogative and I guess it's at least better than talking total irrelevance about some third party whose policies have no bearing at all on the Cogeco broadband internet service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20502545 Sun, 18 May 2008 16:53:40 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20499861 ixiom : You're a very angry person aren't you?...To make you feel better...yes, you're entirely right, I'm completely wrong and probably a lunatic...

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20499861 Sat, 17 May 2008 22:33:34 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20494821 Ignite :

said by ixiom

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Hold on...I'm talking about Bell exclusively here, not Cogeco. I have seen no Shaping or Throttling on my Cogeco Soho Internet since I switched, Uploading or Downloading.

Sorry but what are you talking about? I think you've lost the plot somewhat here. Firstly this is the Cogeco forum so I'm not sure of the relevance of what Bell do or do not do on their retail or wholesale platforms. Second if you follow the thread it goes like this:

quote:
It may be that Cogeco is being opaque here and though not directly shaping itself, but maybe one of its bandwidth providers is the culprit.

quote:
OK and why exactly would a company that makes its' money selling bandwidth on a per Mbit basis shape its' customers so that they use less bandwidth?

quote:
They make their money on the speed...and traffic shaping BT doesn't affect most of their clientele and the less usage, the less it costs them (sort of).

said by Ignite

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I wasn't getting uppity just stating the facts as I'm aware of them. The whole point of IP Transit is that the infrastructure is a relatively fixed cost and they seek to utilise it as heavily as possible. You have a 10Gbit ethernet port, you pay the same for that wavelength whether your customer is using 1Gbit or 10Gbit of it, while they pay say 40 bucks a Mbit/sec per month. Where's the sense in restricting how much they pay you, and adding more to your infrastructure cost in the hardware needed to shape?

The standard story on here appears to be that throttling is only done on upstream.

Hold on...I'm talking about Bell exclusively here, not Cogeco. I have seen no Shaping or Throttling on my Cogeco Soho Internet since I switched, Uploading or Downloading.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20485805 Thu, 15 May 2008 08:14:26 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482844 Ignite :

said by ixiom

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Wasn't saying I agree with it, don't get all uppity!

Just saying that if they can limit the traffic from BT, it will cost their infrastructure less and therefore increase their bottom line.

I cancelled bell and switched to Cogeco. Haven't really seen any throttling as of yet.

I wasn't getting uppity just stating the facts as I'm aware of them. The whole point of IP Transit is that the infrastructure is a relatively fixed cost and they seek to utilise it as heavily as possible. You have a 10Gbit ethernet port, you pay the same for that wavelength whether your customer is using 1Gbit or 10Gbit of it, while they pay say 40 bucks a Mbit/sec per month. Where's the sense in restricting how much they pay you, and adding more to your infrastructure cost in the hardware needed to shape?

The standard story on here appears to be that throttling is only done on upstream.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482844 Wed, 14 May 2008 17:50:18 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482408 ixiom : Wasn't saying I agree with it, don't get all uppity!

Just saying that if they can limit the traffic from BT, it will cost their infrastructure less and therefore increase their bottom line.

I cancelled bell and switched to Cogeco. Haven't really seen any throttling as of yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482408 Wed, 14 May 2008 16:24:20 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482061 Ignite :

said by Snickerdo

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Ask Bell.

Bell make their money selling retail DSL I imagine. The wholesale is an irritating distraction.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482061 Wed, 14 May 2008 15:27:11 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482055 Ignite :

said by ixiom

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They make their money on the speed...and traffic shaping BT doesn't affect most of their clientele and the less usage, the less it costs them (sort of).

You've never purchased IP transit, have you? Transit providers don't shape, full stop. Peers don't shape, full stop. If an ISP they might to their own customers but certainly not at AS edge / core level, it's stupid and the hardware around isn't good enough yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20482055 Wed, 14 May 2008 15:26:30 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481337 ixiom :

said by Ignite

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OK and why exactly would a company that makes its' money selling bandwidth on a per Mbit basis shape its' customers so that they use less bandwidth?

Exactamundo...

They make their money on the speed...and traffic shaping BT doesn't affect most of their clientele and the less usage, the less it costs them (sort of).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481337 Wed, 14 May 2008 13:16:13 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480908 Snickerdo :

said by Ignite

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OK and why exactly would a company that makes its' money selling bandwidth on a per Mbit basis shape its' customers so that they use less bandwidth?

Ask Bell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480908 Wed, 14 May 2008 11:58:11 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480380 Ignite : OK and why exactly would a company that makes its' money selling bandwidth on a per Mbit basis shape its' customers so that they use less bandwidth?

Exactamundo...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20480380 Wed, 14 May 2008 10:18:39 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466728 hdtvguy :

said by Ignite

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For a corporation 'run by geeks' this lack of transparency is shocking.

As for shaping I don't have enough empirical data to state for certain that traffic shaping is the sole cause of our bitorrent woes. But after 6 months with a VPN provider I won't torrent directly through Cogeco. Every once in awhile I will run WireShark and I keep getting the results in the two photos I've provided.

It may be that Cogeco is being opaque here and though not directly shaping itself, but maybe one of its bandwidth providers is the culprit.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466728 Sun, 11 May 2008 19:34:15 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464576 Ignite :

said by TheOne85CA

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Your wrong...we throttle porn too ;) lol

All jokes aside, Cogeco is a corporation run by geeks. Its technical staff are geek, much of its field techs are geeks and the people that would do the throttling...well lets not even go there! To put it bluntly; Cogeco doesn't perform TCP/IP resets. Those figures could have been caused by any number of things, not to mention interruptions in service caused by maintenance, upgrades or equipment failure. Like most of you have said, the majority of this 'evidence' is really not conclusive of anything.

So the explanation for the results is that the network sucks rather than intentional throttling? Would you like a shovel? ;)

I hope that people will happily believe no TCP resetting is done, that doesn't mean that there is no shaping however. Shaping can induce resets without actually setting the bits in the TCP header itself.

This is ridiculous, totally ridiculous. Just a 'yes we throttle' or 'no we don't' rather than playing the Comcast card of 'We don't perform TCP resets' as the official statement said would be good. Anecdotal evidence as repeated over and over again on this board, and with the Azureus plugin a very precarious but nonetheless present empirical evidence suggests that it's the case.

For a corporation 'run by geeks' this lack of transparency is shocking.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464576 Sun, 11 May 2008 08:56:07 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464565 anon : Good grief, is there still actual any kind of doubt that this is being done?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464565 Sun, 11 May 2008 08:49:50 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463392 anon : I'm pretty sure Cogeco do some sort of bandwidth throttling that I'm occasionally can workaround with port forwarding, Still upload speed is way under 15-10KB/s.

Next problem is the stupid DL / UL Cap, I upgraded to the Pro and still get the damn warning towards end of the month that I exceeded my limit. This is really annoying for the price they charge (Over $60 per month)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463392 Sat, 10 May 2008 22:34:45 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20424025 Snickerdo :

said by TheOne85CA

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All jokes aside, Cogeco is a corporation run by geeks. Its technical staff are geek, much of its field techs are geeks and the people that would do the throttling...well lets not even go there! To put it bluntly; Cogeco doesn't perform TCP/IP resets. Those figures could have been caused by any number of things, not to mention interruptions in service caused by maintenance, upgrades or equipment failure. Like most of you have said, the majority of this 'evidence' is really not conclusive of anything.

We were told the same thing regarding bandwidth caps and the like, and we still got screwed over, be it by the "geeks" or the suits who command the geeks. This situation is no different. Sorry, but I don't believe a word of anything you just said.
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You must be joking. It is the only thing that could explain the BS. Unless, you are trying out for a public relations job for Cogeco. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423916 Fri, 02 May 2008 22:35:46 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423361 TheOne85CA :

said by StEC

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Why Cogeco allows porn without restriction but limits music is beyond me but it's obvious they are looking at what is going through their pipes and picking and choosing what is acceptable to them and what's not???

Your wrong...we throttle porn too ;) lol

All jokes aside, Cogeco is a corporation run by geeks. Its technical staff are geek, much of its field techs are geeks and the people that would do the throttling...well lets not even go there! To put it bluntly; Cogeco doesn't perform TCP/IP resets. Those figures could have been caused by any number of things, not to mention interruptions in service caused by maintenance, upgrades or equipment failure. Like most of you have said, the majority of this 'evidence' is really not conclusive of anything. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423361 Fri, 02 May 2008 20:29:45 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20407841 DrDog : I am not an expert in Torrent things, but I do know that one seed, a good connection it does not make.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20407841 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:35:55 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20403048 StEC :

said by Deadpool

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I can only assume that the music you're uploading isn't wanted by others who are connected to that tracker.

And if there are 300 other people uploading the same music as you on that tracker, then you're not going to use up a lot of upload bandwidth individually (which is the whole point of BT).

Well that is a good assumption but to prove my suspicion I would create a new torrent on a private tracker seed a cd then have my friend who is just across town here in Welland start downloading off me....I have nothing else being uploaded at the time I do this.... he is also on a Cogeco standard connection and I'm still being throttled because I have the same shitty dial up upload speed. I have done this experiment both during peak and off peak hours and I also had a different friend out in BC get in on this experiment to the same result. Also I can have 10 people all trying to get the same cd off me and they are only getting it at 1kbs each that is embarrassing!

Again I will stress I can do the same experiment with a porn movie but on a different private tracker and man I can max my upload which is beautiful!

However I don't do the porn thing much nor do I care about my upload when it comes to porn but I help out many local and indie bands by seeding their music and it would be nice to get what I pay for in terms of advertised speeds at least something remotely close!?
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And if there are 300 other people uploading the same music as you on that tracker, then you're not going to use up a lot of upload bandwidth individually (which is the whole point of BT).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402975 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:10:24 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402914 StEC : Or they are able to throttle specific trackers I dunno but somehow music is ALWAYS throttled any tracker site any time of the day I can never upload at more than 10kbs constant odd 15kbs bursts but the porn goes at full bore anytime of the day but it's only one specific tracker that I use for that so maybe it's not blacklisted?

I don't begin to pretend I understand this stuff I'm just saying I see first hand throttling being done on my account!
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said by StEC

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Piss me right off......I can seed porn torrents at full upload speed (good!) on my Cogeco standard connection but if I seed music I am limited to a pathetic 10kb's (BAD!) now tell me this is not packet shaping or throttling or whatever you want to call it!?!? It can take me like an hour to seed a 1gig porno but it will also take me an hour to seed a 50mb cd this is ridiculous *ROUGH EXAMPLE*!

Why Cogeco allows porn without restriction but limits music is beyond me but it's obvious they are looking at what is going through their pipes and picking and choosing what is acceptable to them and what's not???

It's almost impossible to maintain my share ratio when I am throttled like this! :mad:

i hope you are joking]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402600 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:57:45 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402509 StEC : Piss me right off......I can seed porn torrents at full upload speed (good!) on my Cogeco standard connection but if I seed music I am limited to a pathetic 10kb's (BAD!) now tell me this is not packet shaping or throttling or whatever you want to call it!?!? It can take me like an hour to seed a 1gig porno but it will also take me an hour to seed a 50mb cd this is ridiculous *ROUGH EXAMPLE*!

Why Cogeco allows porn without restriction but limits music is beyond me but it's obvious they are looking at what is going through their pipes and picking and choosing what is acceptable to them and what's not???

It's almost impossible to maintain my share ratio when I am throttled like this! :mad:
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But, what if Jeisenberg is 100% correct, AND what if there were routers out there that somehow interfered with the "packet inspections" and the "reset commands". It might be worth looking into for some people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401291 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:39:03 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395726 Shyte :

said by I_H8_Spam

said by Shyte

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The problem is with uploads, not downloads..

Shyte..

I have been seeding that same torrent at a steady 50KBPS now for at least 18 hours.

You don't have to preach to me, I've yet to see any throttling here but apparently you haven't read many of the posts around here because mass amount of people do experience it..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395726 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:10:40 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20394714 I_H8_Spam :

said by Shyte

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The problem is with uploads, not downloads..

Shyte..

I have been seeding that same torrent at a steady 50KBPS now for at least 18 hours. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20394714 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:38:20 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20392597 urbanriot : Sure does. The term 'throttling' doesn't have such a precise definition that I'm sure people could get away with ambiguously answering the question.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20392597 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:04:21 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391548 jeisenberg : Maybe the whole issue of "throttling" is a matter of semantics. Bear with me if this doesn't make sense, because I don't use any P2P applications, so I'm talking out of my hat.

My understanding of the word "throttling" is a reduction in actual bandwidth made available to a specific application.

For the sake of argument (and again, I have no way to know for sure), let's say Cogeco is performing Deep Packet Inspection and is able to determine that certain traffic is being generated by specific applications. Let's further say that in response to this analysis, Cogeco sends occasional RESET commands to the sender and receiver of the stream.

My understanding of the consequences would be to either force retransmission of lost/damaged packets, or delay the streaming while the sender/receiver reestablish communication.

In that way, the effective speed of uploads could be slowed without altering the actual upload speed of the connection.

Cogeco could then technically claim that no throttling (reduction in speed) is occurring, while end users would experience slowness.

Does any of this make sense?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391548 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:32:40 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391273 Shyte : The problem is with uploads, not downloads..

Shyte..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391273 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:06:35 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391192 I_H8_Spam : I dont see the problem.

Just finished a 2g torrent on the private tracker, leeched at a solid 800+kbps the entire time no problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391192 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:42:05 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20389566 Joe_Computer : “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” - Benjamin Franklin

Odd how quotes like these still crop up once in a while, eh?
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I can't deny any traffic shaping taking place elsewhere on the network, but with good settings on a good torrent I can max out both my upstream and downstream quite easily..

However, if I lived in an area with a congested/highly loaded node.. some traffic shaping to p2p traffic to ensure I get decent HTTP/FTP speeds would not anger me too much..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20379715 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:02:35 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20378576 YouKnowMe6 : Out of the "22" it would be interesting to see modem reports.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20378576 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:13:12 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20377515 buckwheat : u will neva get a deff answer because there is a liabilty issue saying yes means they will be sued for tryin to control the internet]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20377515 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:55:52 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20376096 Snickerdo :

said by urbanriot

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So... what type of intentional interrupting do they use?

Hot damn! I think this is the first time Cogeco has officially said anything in response to the throttling allegations. Sure it wasn't conclusive and may have brought up more questions than it answered, but they did indeed answer!
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if you're interested.

Bottom line though is that it's difficult to get a qualified YES or NO from them...Mostly it's "Not that I'm aware of" or "I can't confirm or deny that..I don't know".

Having the spokesperson say that though is interesting.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373854 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:06:41 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373397 anon : Well, they've told me in the past, when I asked, that they do not throttle. I was clear, and the response was clear, and I didn't get the impression that he was lying. The data is questionable, so it needs to be looked into further, but Cogeco has been the best ISP I've seen so far (in my area anyway), so I'm really hoping they're not throttling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373397 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:40:09 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373372 urbanriot :

said by Deadpool

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Better?

Hah, Yes! (Good attitude!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373372 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:35:35 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373307 Deadpool :

said by urbanriot

said by Deadpool

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We just started ripping this report apart in this thread as well:

Ok, fine. I started ripping it apart.

Better? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373307 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:18:21 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373304 urbanriot :

said by ancodia

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Cogeco giving us a 'yes we do throttle under these circumstances' or 'we do not throttle, it's against policy' would solve the issue completely.

Well, the did publicly respond:

Marie Carrier, a spokesperson for Cogeco, said the company does not use false resets. Cogeco likely ranked poorly in Vuze's study because of the small number of customers who took part.

"The sampling was not really representative.… We don't do that type of intentional interruption," she said. "It's not conclusive."

So... what type of intentional interrupting do they use?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373304 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:18:04 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373274 urbanriot :

said by Deadpool

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We just started ripping this report apart in this thread as well:

There's no ripping anything apart... it's you suggesting that the data collection is flawed, and that the debate should start after your post and a couple people responding. All I see in that thread is some anecdotal suggestions that the collection methods are flawed...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373274 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:11:56 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372939 dad_of_3 :

said by ancodia

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Cogeco giving us a 'yes we do throttle under these circumstances' or 'we do not throttle, it's against policy' would solve the issue completely.

I agree...Personally I'm getting tired of the rhetoric..Some people seem to be having issues, others are not ..IF they are throttling, it is obviously not across the board, unlike Bell(so far :-/ )..

To the people with issues, that's too bad (no sarcasm intended)I don't have any issues, so don't crap on myself and those of us that don't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372939 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:39:21 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372914 ancodia : Cogeco giving us a 'yes we do throttle under these circumstances' or 'we do not throttle, it's against policy' would solve the issue completely. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372914 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:29:15 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372226 Deadpool : We just started ripping this report apart in this thread as well: »more P2P Interference - Cogeco

The report is seriously flawed in it's methodology and data collection. It doesn't take into account other factors that can contribute to packets being reset and it doesn't look at TCP packets only (it collected data for ALL network connections).

In addition, the data was collected from the users PC versus somewhere on the network, which is also the wrong way to do it.

Packet capturing from your PC doesn't prove throttling. It may help prove it, but it's too biased.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372226 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:53:40 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20370773 Snickerdo :

said by urbanriot

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That's... not a very intelligent conclusion.

No, but the intelligent conclusion as to why this is a bad study is because it was only using one method to determine throttling, while leaving out all other methods. The very fact that Rogers and Bell - the two largest and well-known BT throttlers in this country who are far larger than Cogeco - shows that this "study" really doesn't give a fair indication of what's going on in the industry, though it does indeed prove that Cogeco is throttling connections, albeit in a very sinister way that makes proper traffic shaping look pretty.
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Azureus is an extremely well programmed application, but resides on Java for portability so it can be utilized on practically every operating system. This java requirement is what utilizes a great deal of RAM (not resources), and only about 128mb stock which can be easily lowered to 53mb.

Azureus/Vuze is also GPL'd open source, so you can clearly see the code yourself, to determine if it's up to your quality of coding (although I'm fairly sure you're not a programmer)... while uTorrent is completely closed source.

Furthermore, a recent study put uTorrent at 12% of the market share of P2P applications, while Azureus has 5%. That's hardly 'most bittorrenters'. Another study by Digital Music News found Azureus had 3.2% installation base while uTorrent had only a 2.7% installation base. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369719 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:53:36 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369448 pat_lc2000 : It's really a bad study, not because of the size...but because Azureus has done it.

Most bittorrenters have long changed to utorrent which is less of a resource hog then Azureus.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369448 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:02:01 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20367965 ancodia : It's not that sample size that is important. its the fact that a 3rd party confirmed what we all suspected, that Cogeco throttles p2p (and who knows what else). And why don't we know for sure? Because Cogeco won't tell anybody what they are doing to the data you transmit over the network. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20367965 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:23:41 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20367902 urbanriot :

said by beatsnpieces

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Wow, 22 whole Cogeco users were in this study, such a large cross section.../endsarcasm

Oh, look, it's sarcasm... I guess low-brow 'humour' is making a comeback.

Went on to read the PDF since I find this topic interesting, as I haven't been able to seed worth shit for a while now...

a) 22 users is a large sample set considering this was a *beta* test of the plugin and we're talking about testing on a global scale.

b) Expect this number to grow as this information is becoming public, especially with the aid of Michael Geist's blog which has a very large audience. I've already seen a few facebook notes posted to his blog entry on Cogeco, so expect this knowledge to grow as well.

c) Why don't you test it, and see for yourself? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20367902 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:10:35 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20367763 urbanriot : 19.13% what? Without a method of reference, those 'statistics' are meaningless. You should update your post with a little more explanation... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20367763 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:45:08 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20367131 anon : Hey Kids,

Creating FUD is so much fun to do!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20367131 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:38:55 EDT Re: Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20367103 beatsnpieces :

said by QuickSurfer

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»torrentfreak.com//images/vuze-pl···ults.pdf

Wow, 22 whole Cogeco users were in this study, such a large cross section...

/endsarcasm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20367103 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:31:02 EDT Cogeco Bandwidth Throttling --MUST READ-- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20366583 QuickSurfer : Just released by the Azureus Software team.

WORST OFFENDERS
ISP Country Reset %
Comcast USA 23.72%
Cogeco Canada 19.13%
Emirates Internet UAE 17.86%
Cablevision USA 17.58%
Brasil Telecom Santa Catarina, Brazil 17.43%
TM Net Malaysia 16.80%
BellSouth USA 15.88%
Tedata Egypt 15.33%
Tiscali UK 14.89%
AOL USA 14.88%

GOOD ISPs
ISP Country Reset %
Telecom Italia France France 2.53%
Orange Nederland The Netherlands 2.57%
WiLine USA 2.78%
Telefonica Germany 3.60%
Freenet Germany 4.21%

"TCP resets seem to be more common for American ISPs, and Comcast leads the bunch. The Azureus team has sent a letter to Cablevision, Cogeco, BellSouth and AOL, where they request that the companies are open about their BitTorrent throttling practices. Thus far, the ISPs have not responded to the letters."

»torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-thro···-080421/
»torrentfreak.com//images/vuze-pl···ults.pdf]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20366583 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:48:21 EDT