Re: What...the...hell? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20369445 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:08:19 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:08:19 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20390849 anon : Qwest targets the areas where FTTN is going in. So, let's do the math. For about the same price as comcast for 12/1 meg (50.00) one can jump from comcast dying bandwith to an Upload near 3 times Comcast for about the same price. OK, 1 meg up is not what we techies really want, but it is triple what most have with comcast in the target areas. Why would one pay the same monies for .384 when I can get 1 mep up and faster down? The same darn price. OK, 3-4 up would have been nice, but I am tired of Comcast crappy .384. I'll take Qwest 1.0 anyday !! Besides Comcast just gets slower daily as saturation has doomed them. Qwest has the smarts to place extra fiber innerduct for the future if needed. The coolpeds are expandable up to four 1148's and if public demands up/down can change fairly easy with public demand. Marketing is business, Qwest sells as with all others Download speed, as most consumers don't even know nor care about upload. Only us. And remember, down/up depends on the db loss from the Coolped (x-box) so I assume barely 30% can even get 20 down. Depends on cable lenght from node and Gauge. IF you get Qwest, ask the installer to cut your bridge-tap at the term. He/she will know exactly what you are asking. Price for life (2 year contract) is awesome, because Comcast raises the price every 6 months !!

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20390849 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:47:24 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372805 NYPD : As the famous American showman P.T. Barnum once said, ~There`s a sucker born every minute~ ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372805 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:48:21 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372336 Underplay :
said by battleop See Profile :

I recently had a customer tell me that at his house he could see 6 wireless networks with 6Mb Comcast connections. He said he had bonded them together to get a "T3" speed. I looked at him and said "Riiiiigggghhhtttt" and went back to what I was doing.
That's funny that you said that.

When I was living in Pullman there were wireless WEP connections everywhere.

I used aircrack-ng to crack about 10 of them, then I bought ANOTHER wireless USB lan card which used the rt61 chipset.

I then configured my Linux kernel running SUSE 10.2 with iptables and the proper modules, which was hard to do because most of the modules were out dated and there was no new documentation on them.

I set up my main chain to switch interfaces every 2 connections.

After all of the kernel stuff was setup, i then setup firefox to use pipeling which would utilize both connections.

THEN, the fun part :) I used my usenet client to max out both connections...

Now this took me about a week on top of a full time job, and it wasn't easy. But I did manage to combine the connections together and it worked only with limited protocols that supported multiple connections.

The point of my story, its definitely possible, but not in the way most people realize.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372336 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:36:56 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372165 battleop : I recently had a customer tell me that at his house he could see 6 wireless networks with 6Mb Comcast connections. He said he had bonded them together to get a "T3" speed. I looked at him and said "Riiiiigggghhhtttt" and went back to what I was doing. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372165 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:34:10 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372127 Tzale :
said by jrsmooth See Profile :

Isn't LB stands for Load Balance?
Yeah, what I meant is that load balancing isn't what is needed here. It is not possible unless both the server and client are in on the game.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372127 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:25:11 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372114 patcat88 : If your 1337 you can use a VPN that splits traffic over 2 IPs, and recombines the data at the VPN server where it goes out to the internet as 1 IP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372114 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:23:02 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372062 hacker90 : Count me in for that small minority. Try administrating 11+ source servers and having to upload 30mb+ maps to the box on a routine basis. Ontop of uploading multiple files over 3-4mb. All on a slow ass 60kb/s connection.

Hacker]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372062 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:10:32 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20371653 jrsmooth : Isn't LB stands for Load Balance?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20371653 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:48:47 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20371276 C0deZer0 :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Not everyone gives a crap about upload.
The amount of ACK packets that you'd need to send for a 20Mbps download would flood an 896k upload.

In short, it does not make sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20371276 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:43:40 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20370686 Dogfather :
said by TheMG See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

Not everyone gives a crap about upload.
Only the people that DON'T upload YouTube videos, DON'T send email attachments, DON'T have to upload files to a remote server/VPN, DON'T send files to their buddies.
I'd like to see statistics of what percentage of residential users use VPN services that require more than 1Mb upload or what percentage of all residential users upload videos to YouTube. I would guess these numbers to be remarkably low in terms of the whole residential use population. Far more I would venture would benefit from 20Mb service for downloading videos from services like Unbox or iTunes.

IOW, 1Mb is plenty for most people. The people you describe I think are a tiny minority.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20370686 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:51:05 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20370276 Warez_Zealot :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Not everyone gives a crap about upload.
Haha, I like chief Wiggum. He's as fat as he is stupid. lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20370276 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:36:57 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20370210 TheMG :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Not everyone gives a crap about upload.
Only the people that DON'T upload YouTube videos, DON'T send email attachments, DON'T have to upload files to a remote server/VPN, DON'T send files to their buddies.

Let's face it, the number of people meeting the above criteria are in ever diminishing numbers.

The internet isn't just about receiving information anymore, the need for people to send (upload) is only going to increase, and in bigger and bigger files.

I for one am quite irritated by slow upload speeds. I have two connections specially for the purpose of being able to upload stuff in the background while not having other activities interfere with the process. If you've ever had to restore a 2GB pack of files to a server over 1mbps upload speed, you'd know exactly where I'm coming from.

Now, I guess you could argue that most users who upload stuff in moderate amounts simply don't care and just tough it out, but that's besides the point.

IMO, the low upload-to-download-speed ratios given by ISPs come from the fact that their general customer base is misinformed and not very savvy about how the internet actually works. Most people are surprised when you tell them they aren't likely getting anywhere close to 20mbps off most websites. Yet, people keep asking for faster faster faster, and the ISP gives, because they'll get more revenue. It's about the money, not about providing a balanced service that people will actually use. And what do they do when people actually start using that speed they paid for? Yep, throttle throttle throttle and curse at that "5% of users that use 30% of the bandwidth".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20370210 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:27:31 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369927 Tzale :
said by jrsmooth See Profile :

said by Tzale See Profile :

said by elister See Profile :

i give a crap about upload speeds. for those that qualify for their 7m / 934k, just order two, its almost the same price. i would never pay more to get a slower upload. more and more people need faster uploads thanks to cheap web hosting, digital cameras, slingbox, etc.
What good is 2 7m/934k connections? All you'll be doing is getting 2 934k uploads and 2 7m downloads.. Its not like it can be combined bandwidth for one download/upload.
Can't you use a duo LAN router to do LB?
No, that is load balancing...
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369927 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:35:38 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369926 Tzale :
said by battleop See Profile :

You can't bond them unless both ends create a multilink. What you are talking about ends up being a load balanced connection.
Exactly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369926 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:35:23 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369702 battleop : You can't bond them unless both ends create a multilink. What you are talking about ends up being a load balanced connection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369702 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:51:22 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369669 rahvin112 : Actually, you can. There are number of linux tools that allow you to line bond two connections and make them "one". ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369669 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:43:55 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369600 jrsmooth :
said by Tzale See Profile :

said by elister See Profile :

i give a crap about upload speeds. for those that qualify for their 7m / 934k, just order two, its almost the same price. i would never pay more to get a slower upload. more and more people need faster uploads thanks to cheap web hosting, digital cameras, slingbox, etc.
What good is 2 7m/934k connections? All you'll be doing is getting 2 934k uploads and 2 7m downloads.. Its not like it can be combined bandwidth for one download/upload.
Can't you use a duo LAN router to do LB?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369600 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:30:30 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369445 Tzale :
said by elister See Profile :

i give a crap about upload speeds. for those that qualify for their 7m / 934k, just order two, its almost the same price. i would never pay more to get a slower upload. more and more people need faster uploads thanks to cheap web hosting, digital cameras, slingbox, etc.
What good is 2 7m/934k connections? All you'll be doing is getting 2 934k uploads and 2 7m downloads.. Its not like it can be combined bandwidth for one download/upload.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369445 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:00:57 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369322 elister : i give a crap about upload speeds. for those that qualify for their 7m / 934k, just order two, its almost the same price. i would never pay more to get a slower upload. more and more people need faster uploads thanks to cheap web hosting, digital cameras, slingbox, etc. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369322 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:36:11 EDT Re: What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369188 Dogfather : Not everyone gives a crap about upload.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369188 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:08:42 EDT What...the...hell? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20369168 MarkyD : $100 for less than 1mbps upload? what in the hell are they smoking?
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