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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:08:45 EDT

Razzy : I have three Vista laptops that I take to different places. No problems whatsoever to reconnect automatically via MS zero config. I use sleep ALOT on my laptop - barely use hibernation but I don't recall any problems after waking up from hibernation.

Perhaps maybe its the 3rd party wireless client?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:57:43 EDT

Razzy : wel dam, sry about tht.

lt me tri agin

VEESTA H8RZ

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:23:29 EDT

Tuxified1 :

said by Razzy :

So you Vista haterz made some people money ;) CONGRATS!

Obviously Vista doesn't have a built in spell checker. ;)

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:20:20 EDT

Tuxified1 :

said by XPfanboi :

and XP fanboys?

heh.

Damn, I forgot someone... :D

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:54:20 EDT

Razzy :

said by »www.tweakguides.com/VA_3.html :

The greatest proponents of FUD on the Internet are the bloggers and so-called Tech "Journalists" who write reams of text on every significant and insignificant development in the world of IT on a daily basis. But why do they insist on generating so much FUD you may ask - what do they have to gain? The answer is simple: the most precious commodity on the Internet is traffic. Traffic generates fame and fortune. Nothing draws more traffic than articles sensationalising issues that affect the average reader. And what could have more impact on the average tech reader than the most used Operating System around the world: Microsoft's Windows.

While some people, such as the average forum poster, spread FUD purely through a lack of knowledge and without any malicious intent, a significant number of people do it deliberately and professionally. Many bloggers and tech writers receive a notable portion of their income based on the advertising revenue generated from the traffic to their sites. Indeed one of the constant dilemmas facing these people is the pressure to write interesting new material in order to maintain their existing readership and attract new readers.

Have to agree with this 110% =p

So you Vista haterz made some people money ;) CONGRATS!

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:26:14 EDT

Freddy : All,

Vista annoyances resolved:

»www.tweakguides.com/VA_1.html

Has this above reference (link) been posted? I haven't read all the posts.

Freddy

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:07:32 EDT

anon : and XP fanboys?

heh.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:56:05 EDT

Tuxified1 : What "Exactly" have I found wrong with Vista?

Without a doubt it's the Vista fanboys.
They're almost as bad as Linux fanboys. almost.

I won't even mention the Mac fanboys, it's far too controversial. doh! I just did.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:12:51 EDT

elias : I saw the Mojave commercial yesterday on TV for the first time. It looks just like the new Pizza Hut Tuscani Pasta commercials.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF4FtWghQAw

What's funny is that they don't show in the commercial what the subjects are doing. They just show them say "wow, neat, etc."

For all you know, they're just launching Solitaire or Microsoft Word.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:07:31 EDT

dave : Wireless reconnect after sleep and hibernate works ok for me, for whatever that's worth.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:35:56 EDT

sfromsf : I haven't read all posts yet.. but one that is really annoying me is ...

wireless networks do not automatically connect/reconnect after hibernating/sleeping. The status is always "limited connectivity". This happens on three vista laptops on three different networks. (work, friends, home).

Still trying to figure this one out as it is annoying. One way to get it to connect is to change the preferred order around and move the current network to the top.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:46:50 EDT

yepyep3 :

said by PeteC2 :

said by yepyep3 :
Another reason to hate Vista: The Mojave Experiment.

Really? Wow, Apple spends mega-bucks on spoofy comercials.... blah blah... aspects of my life than a computer... :uhh:

Apple? What in the world?

This is a thread about what people DON'T like about Vista. You are free as a member to post about other things, of course, Mr Troll.

Maybe I didn't make it clear enough about what microsoft did with this experiment thing.

Clowns and pudgy uncool looking actors are obvious fakery which most adults understand view as persuasive entertainment. We know that actors saying things someone else told them to say. I prefer the funny ones.

We accept this type of non truth as pretending, and are not offended by it.

Microsoft has done something completely different in this ad campaign. They have cast some computer noobs, basic end users, as real people shown really evaluating an OS they think is called Mojave.

We accept this type of non truth as lies, deception, foolery... we are offended by this. Those of us able to understand this are offended, anyway.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:28:16 EDT

PeteC2 :

said by yepyep3 :

Another reason to hate Vista: The Mojave Experiment.

Really? Wow, Apple spends mega-bucks on spoofy comercials featuring a nerdy, "pudgy" uncool, Microsoft guy, versus a slim, "hip" Mac guy making general, not really valid "points" while the poor inept MS guy makes a yutz out of himself...My my my...makes me want to run out and plunk uber-bucks down on an over-priced Mac..well...maybe not.

I've got a news flash: Everyone is looking for ways to validate buying their product. At least the "Mojave Experiment" is not a slam at anybody, and the premise, IMHO, really is correct. A lot of the whining and pouting over Vista comes from folks that have not even used Vista, and simply parrot the negative stuff that they have heard!

Many of the so called Vista "issues" that I have heard, are issues that often are not even OS related in the first place! "I could not get my new Vista computer to hook up to my network" and such drivel. Only to discover that there was a probem not associated with the OS at all...

I think that the only real probelm with the Mojave Experiment, is that of course, coming from MS, it can only come across as self-serving (which after all, it is!)

I can not truly understand any of this emotional bilge anyways. I neither "love" nor "hate" any OS...an OS is a tool, if one does not meet your needs, hell, don't use it...but hate it? I dunno...I ascribe "love and hate" to more important aspects of my life than a computer... :uhh:
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:15:54 EDT

yepyep3 : Another reason to hate Vista: The Mojave Experiment.

Microsoft lied to some people on camera. They were asked to play with a PC running a new os called Mojave, but it was really Vista. They made fools of those people.

Did the real people presented in the video lie?
Lets just say for argument sake they were not coached directly nor did they lie. They may be dumb and gullible, but were exuberantly honest in their reactions and statements.

"I had no idea you could do all this with windows vista"
Vista has about the same built in programs as XP.

"I like that security feature"
There are several highly rated free firewalls for XP, Vista security is nothing to jump up and down about.

In fact, the lack of security for most of Microsoft's existence demonstrates their lack of interest in your system security. Microsoft is scared.

Do you really trust Vista security? They just lied to these people! They cannot be trusted.

"It seems so easy"
And yet it is harder than XP, it has more clicks to do anything, more nonsense information.

Each windows is designed for a bit lower IQ, Vista's target IQ is about 80. Just a guess.

"It represents a lot of things that you could only dream of."
What?

"I want to see how it works"
Here, go play with this Tonka truck, vroom vroom!

Did Microsoft film some clueless people making stupid comments about a crapy os? Yes.

Did Microsoft suggest that everyone who dislikes Vista is presenting a false idea about it? Yes. They are calling you a liar. Sneaky bastids turn things around, they lie and suggest you are the liar. Haha. Nice try. I bet it cost millions to push the video. And for the 80 minds, it is gonna work, unfortunately.

They are suggesting that expressing dislike of Vista is misinformation. It isn't. This thread is full of good reasons to avoid Vista.

If you say you like Vista... well... there are suckers everywhere.

If Vista were your first OS, it would truly seem like an upgrade moving to XP. Everything works just little bit better, its just a little bit more sensible.

/btw to view the official side, you have to install Microsoft Silverlight

My comments are based on this youtube video

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsStHxtVr_w
Not sure if that link will work, its called the mojave experiment, and there's lots more on the subject there.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:52:56 EDT

tcharp : I like Vista. I find no serious issues, however the new search sort of irritates me. Why won't it search everywhere when I ask it to search everywhere? Unknown. Anyway, aside from this small irritation and some networking challenges when connected with XP machines, I'm a big fan of Vista.

-TC
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:37:09 EDT

Oleg :

said by maximus_808 :

But i have a lot of ram to eat. :)

This is good for you having large supply of RAM,but still Vista is just too much eyecandy and a lot of older programs do not like Vista so do i :-)

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:34:21 EDT

maximus_808 : But i have a lot of ram to eat. :)

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:04:16 EDT

Hutch : So far I have found nothing that bugs me with Vista. But then again I have only just migrated to Vista during the last few weeks. I have read other threads, learned from what I have read in them. Disabled what I don't want or need running. I haven't had any hardware issues. I just have to get used to the new layout. ;)
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:20:01 EDT

bkjohnson : Now running it on 5 machines, all replacement machines speced out to use it. 2 of the 5 are laptops. No special training done. We've had no problems, and there are usability changes that we like. Speed is better on the machines than it was on the XP Pro machines they replaced.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:32:38 EDT

Oleg : Vista has too much eyecandy and eating a lot of RAM.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:14:27 EDT

ChiTang :

said by miscnick :

said by ChiTang :

You have to consider whether one is entitle to say something...

I did consider that, and you are not entitled. You cannot tell me when it is time to shut the fuck up. I am going to run my mouth and talk bad about Vista and it's crappy power management as much as I think is appropriate. Even though I did get it for free and re-install it every 60 days to keep it running. That is between me and Microsoft. This is between you and me now. :mad:

When did I tell people to "shut the f*** up"? I said in my earlier post, put up or use an alternative OS.

I don't complain, I make comment. To some people, a comment is an attack to his low self esteem. To complain is make hieself mightier.

Whether it is not the fault of the OS, complain anyway, remember the "loop".
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:07:42 EDT

ChiTang :

said by Mele20 :

said by ChiTang :

What exactly wrong with Vista? IT COSTS MONEY!!!!!

If it is free, then nobody says nothing.

Most people will help implementing the OS with their ideas and suggestions, and most people will express it in anyways but BITCHING/COMPLAINING.

I didn't say you don't have the right to speak out. If you read my previous post. You will find that all I am saying is: "If you complain to make yourself fell better, go ahead, if you complain to try to make Vista better, your are not getting anywhere". I am trying to tell you guys not the waste energy/effort. Then, for some odd reason, people think that I am trying to stop people from saying anything.

BTW, if you have something to say about Vista, why didn't you say it when you were in the feedback panel?
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:27:55 EDT

PeteC2 :

said by miscnick :

said by PeteC2 :

Most likely it is either a faulty built in nic, or bad driver.

Like I said, it is the power management of the device. That is the only thing that will engage and make a computer freeze when you are using it. You don't need to be confusing the n00b with a bunch of jargon about bad drivers and etc.

It could be, however, it may not be power management at all, pretty interesting assumption, but that is all it is. Power management most certainly is not the only thing that will engage and make a computer freeze while you are using it. There are any number of hardware/software issues that could be causative.

BTW, why call Imacmil a noob? Pretty presumptuous. And, I am sorry if a couple of standard terms, such as "nic" and "drivers" seem to be a "bunch of jargon" to you...I'll try to keep the words smaller and easier for you in the future...I kind of doubt anyone else here had a problem reading/understanding them... ;)
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:50:15 EDT

Mele20 :

I got my copy of 32 bit and a separate key for 64 bit ...both Vista Ultimate... free from Microsoft as my reward for participating in Microsoft's Windows Feedback Panel. I can't see why I don't have a right to speak out about what I like and what I dislike about Vista and why.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:52:25 EDT

anon :

said by ChiTang :

You have to consider whether one is entitle to say something...

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:43:25 EDT

anon : Classic mind of a child.
Complaints when placed on a level field of play.

Don't bother....you're far too simple to haggle with.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:36:01 EDT

ChiTang :

said by miscnick :

If something blows (and Vista does) I have the right to say so....just as you have the right to say whatever you want.

The only thing you do not have the right to say....is that I have no right to say.

One can say anything when one sees fit, that is freedom of speech. You have to consider whether one is entitle to say something, that is a different story. You didn't even pay for it and you think you can say something about it. WHY? Because the fact that you are using it. Because the fact you are involved with it.

By your defintion, do you mind your wife's ex boyfriend to give you his "freedom of speech"?

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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:11:29 EDT

anon :

said by PeteC2 :

Most likely it is either a faulty built in nic, or bad driver.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:01:11 EDT

anon : Incredibly presumptuous aren't we ?

If something blows (and Vista does) I have the right to say so....just as you have the right to say whatever you want.

The only thing you do not have the right to say....is that I have no right to say.

Clear?

Thanks.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:46:53 EDT

ChiTang :

said by miscnick :

Who said I paid for it ?

Even as free....Vista blows goat nads.

Then you have no right to complain. It is none of your business.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:34:43 EDT

anon : Most likely the problem he's having is the power save feature.

The wired NIC is going into power down mode....go into computer management to attend to it.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:31:55 EDT

anon : Who said I paid for it ?

Even as free....Vista blows goat nads.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:25:48 EDT

ChiTang : What exactly wrong with Vista? IT COSTS MONEY!!!!!

If it is free, then nobody says nothing.

Most people will help implementing the OS with their ideas and suggestions, and most people will express it in anyways but BITCHING/COMPLAINING.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:57:52 EDT

PeteC2 :

said by lmacmil :

My Toshiba laptop with Home Prem and 2 GB memory, almost always locks up during a wired session. At home with wireless, no problems. At many motels with wired connections, I can just about be assured of a hard freeze at some point. I am assuming this is a Vista issue and not a hardware issue but I have no way to prove it.

Actually, it is most unlikely anything whatsoever to do with the OS. Most likely it is either a faulty built in nic, or bad driver. My HP Vista (Home Prem) notebook has no issue with either wired or wireless connectivity.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:19:14 EDT

lmacmil : My Toshiba laptop with Home Prem and 2 GB memory, almost always locks up during a wired session. At home with wireless, no problems. At many motels with wired connections, I can just about be assured of a hard freeze at some point. I am assuming this is a Vista issue and not a hardware issue but I have no way to prove it.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:13:34 EDT

yepyep3 : Shortcuts I put in the startup folder were running more than once because I copied them 2 times. In explorer the 'overwrite' prompt took care of the duplicate, but in the registry, a new entry was added instead of overwriting the old one.

Tried to resolve with MSCONFIG but two of the four duplicating applications when unchecked get rechecked when pressing apply.

MsConfig is kinda like bad shareware.

This is an issue inherited from XP.
Vista an improvement over XP?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:00:53 EDT

yepyep3 : Miscnick, thanks that reminds me... after moving a folder structure (from c: to c:) it moved the files but left the folders. Weird.

Moving/Copying prompts in Windows Explorer...
- YES button is in same place as SKIP in the next prompt!
- Replace file window is HUUUGGEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
- Requires more OK OK OK than ever.
- The XP Yes to all replaced with a checkbox yes to next ## occurrences (more clicks)
- Overwrite folder vs file have different prompts with buttons to click in different places. *sigh*

Obvious ways to improve XP Copy/Move that were ignored in Vista...
- add "Yes to everything" button
- add file size and time stamp (without making it huge)
- Optional listbox in the copy/move window to show files copied/moved (like a DOS xcopy listing)
- copy/move in displayed order to make continuing later easier
- add a TRY AGAIN button when copy/move fails
Vista fails.

USB1 or USB2?
- Notify popup "Connecting to printer on USB2 port"?
- Drive property general tab "Thumbdrive on USB2 port"?
- Nope! Thanks for nothing, Microsoft.
Vista fails.

I have found nothing at all functionally that is better about Vista over XP. Vista is a frustrating downgrade from XP.

It's almost as if Microsoft wanted Vista to be hated.
There is no other explanation for the easy of our hatred.

I don't recommend it, go with XP or Linux.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:44:07 EDT

anon : Take a CDR filled with folders of MP3's and try to drag and drop those filled folders to a hard drive directory.
Miraculously they become folders with nothing in them.

This is VERY repeatable, on every Vista machine I have seen.
Not all folders will be empty, but some ALWAYS will.

Win95 did not do this.
WinNT did not do this
Win98 did not do this.
Win2k did not do this.
Win2k server did not do this.
WinXP did not do this.
Win2k3 server did not do this.
No *nix I have ever used did this.

Is this some beneficial upgrade I am unaware of ?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:43:13 EDT

33591094 : Purchased a new Aspire 5920G for the wife, which comes with Vista Home Premium, and have noted the following...

Problem 1
The machine would routinely BSOD when plugging in the transmitter for her wireless mouse. Disabling the Readyboost service eliminated that problem. I have not had one BSOD since disabling that.

Problem 2
Following a reboot of the notebook, 85% of the time I would get a DNS client error. Disabling Vistas DNS client service eliminated that problem. It's not needed for me in any case, but it's problematic on Vista.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:38:45 EDT

Jan Janowski : Vista sure would be easier to take if it would not corrupt large Zip files.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:40:10 EDT

StraitShoot :

said by Random 100 :

said by StraitShoot :

Well, could someone help me?

What did the microphone setup wizard tell you after you spoke the phrase it gave you ?

It basically said it was okay but until I tried it with the SP 1 I really wasn't going nowhere
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:13:35 EDT

anon :

said by StraitShoot :

Well, could someone help me?

What did the microphone setup wizard tell you after you spoke the phrase it gave you ?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:30:35 EDT

QuaffAPint :

said by StraitShoot :

said by QuaffAPint :

said by StraitShoot :

Simplicity?

I can't get Vista to record a simple anything using a microphone (no problem with XP).. It records at a very low output..

I had that same problem - I went to my motherboard's site (ASUS) and downloaded their sound driver, which installed a tool that let me boost up the mic enough to make it usable.

Well, could someone help me? Here is what I bought.

»www.tigerdirect.com/applications···00-T5246

BTW, my computer just went through Service pack 1, which helped somewhat..

Thanks
Jim

Can someone tell me where to get the driver I may need?

Just went to eMachines support pages - looks like for your machine, you can try to download their sound driver from here...
»support.gateway.com/support/driv···machines

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:02:50 EDT

StraitShoot :

said by QuaffAPint :

said by StraitShoot :

Simplicity?

I can't get Vista to record a simple anything using a microphone (no problem with XP).. It records at a very low output..

I had that same problem - I went to my motherboard's site (ASUS) and downloaded their sound driver, which installed a tool that let me boost up the mic enough to make it usable.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:57:53 EDT

QuaffAPint :

said by StraitShoot :

Simplicity?

I can't get Vista to record a simple anything using a microphone (no problem with XP).. It records at a very low output..

I had that same problem - I went to my motherboard's site (ASUS) and downloaded their sound driver, which installed a tool that let me boost up the mic enough to make it usable.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:55:10 EDT

StraitShoot :

said by QuaffAPint :

Sound Recorder..

My kids like to play with the Sound Recorder. In XP, you could record AND playback, right there in the Sound Recorder.

Simplicity?

I can't get Vista to record a simple anything using a microphone (no problem with XP).. It records at a very low output..
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:28:53 EDT

izy :

said by iEvolution :

Adding to my previous post:
- Windows EXPLORER still cannot remember my settings, I set it to view by list and if I go two levels deep into a folder VOLIA its in that annoying large icon view. [who honestly thought this was a good default scheme to where you can only see like 3 folders per page?]

Same issue here, drives me friggin mad with those rating stars...just let ME choose how I want to view the folders....pleeease!

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:07:15 EDT

QuaffAPint :

said by yepyep3 :

said by QuaffAPint :

Sound Recorder..
My kids like to play with the Sound Recorder. In XP, you could record AND playback, right there in the Sound Recorder.

I just copied
c:\windows\system32\sndrec32.exe
from my xp computer to this Vista one and it works :)

Can be run from anywhere, so you dont have to overwrite the Vista one, which would probably trigger some alerts, just put on the desktop.

Hey, sweet - Thanks for that one :) !

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:45:16 EDT

iEvolution : Adding to my previous post:
- Windows EXPLORER still cannot remember my settings, I set it to view by list and if I go two levels deep into a folder VOLIA its in that annoying large icon view. [who honestly thought this was a good default scheme to where you can only see like 3 folders per page?]

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:38:14 EDT

yepyep3 :

said by QuaffAPint :

Sound Recorder..
My kids like to play with the Sound Recorder. In XP, you could record AND playback, right there in the Sound Recorder.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:28:16 EDT

QuaffAPint : Sound Recorder..

My kids like to play with the Sound Recorder. In XP, you could record AND playback, right there in the Sound Recorder.

In Vista, for some bizarre reason they removed the playback. So now, you can only record, and have to save the file - Go to Media Player and play it - Why, in the world would they remove functionality :p
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:35:40 EDT

Mele20 : Use Classic View in Vista and then you can change the color.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:44:35 EDT

toplevelpot : How do you change the color of the start/task bar? In xp easy. In vista, not possible. y? Improved Security :p
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:42:33 EDT

lorennerol :

said by Talon88 :

Turn off "Allow Hybrid Sleep" will
solve your problem.

It was already off.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:30:41 EDT

Talon88 : :::

Turn off "Allow Hybrid Sleep" will
solve your problem.

:::

said by lorennerol :

Here a new one to add to my list:

With XP, when I put my laptop into hibernate mode I could remove and replace the battery, then 're-awaken' the laptop. With the new, advanced power management in Vista, removing the battery while the laptop is in hibernate mode shuts off the laptop entirely. Yet another step backwards in usability.

:huh:

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:09:47 EDT

lorennerol : Here a new one to add to my list:

With XP, when I put my laptop into hibernate mode I could remove and replace the battery, then 're-awaken' the laptop. With the new, advanced power management in Vista, removing the battery while the laptop is in hibernate mode shuts off the laptop entirely. Yet another step backwards in usability.

:huh:

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:27:54 EDT

MadZookeeper : I just want it to work. I've had problems since the day I got it. Seems to be mostly with DEP. MS's own applications (like MS Money) crash all the time.
[att=1][att=2][att=3][att=4][att=5]

As you can see, it's been a real PITA.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:08:18 EDT

ChiTang :

said by Juke Box :

Interesting. However, there is an age old adage, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". To some, it just wreaks on peoples nerves.

The squeaky wheel may get the grease. :D

I know my opinion is OT from OP's question so I'll make it good.

To OP:

Whatever wrong with Vista, I usually can learn a workaround to do what I need. My major complain is that no matter what I complain about it, it is still be the same and there will be no change.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:42:35 EDT

Juke Box :

said by ChiTang :

If it makes you fell better by complaining, then go for it.
If you think you can change thing by complaining, you will be sadly disappointed.

Interesting. However, there is an age old adage, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". To some, it just wreaks on peoples nerves.

To the OP:

I have been running Vista for quite a long time, currently running Vista 64 Bit. The only real problem I have found is that commonly used software hasn't been written to run 64 bit as well.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:11:31 EDT

dave :

said by yepyep3 :

A brilliant OS would have refined the code, making it smaller yet do more. Respect my privacy, screen space, drive space, and my fingers.

If you look elsewhere on this site, you can find: (1) rumours of plans for the next Microsoft OS after Windows, (2) people complaining about it.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:47:50 EDT

ChiTang :

said by yepyep3 :

Why do people complain about people complaining about things?

I take it the question is to me cos you post right after me. Was I complaining? No. I was saying that it wasn't useful to complain.

If it makes you fell better by complaining, then go for it.
If you think you can change thing by complaining, you will be sadly disappointed.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:38:23 EDT

yepyep3 :

said by Mele20 :

Are you talking about the EU worry that Vista would have internet search function? I can't find anything googling specific to EU complaining about how bad Vista search is..indexed or not. Do you have some links?

Wonderful, I shoulda googled it before posting.
I'm still looking for the reference, not sure what exactly I used for keywords but I'll find it.

I want to add a few things....

- Windows Explorer status bar still limited on information. I'm looking at my temp folder now, it doesn't show space used. Looking in different folders, sometimes it shows total drive space, sometimes it doesn't, but it never shows the space used in the folders. Waste of a status bar.

- Renaming a file now starts with the cursor at the end of the name, before the extension. Nice, but after 100 years of renaming files, I really don't want to have to change how I do it.

- When scrolling up and down the Folder list with the arrow keys, it doesn't update the file list.

- Dragging files over an explorer window when not logged into Live stops the drag operation, says you need to log into messenger, and locks the mouse so you have to press space or enter to say OK to the dialog. Same issue in XP, still not fixed.

- Documents and Settings was moved to Users. It should have been a nice short name in the first place, but should not have been changed, unless it was broke... was it?

- Attempting to access the local network when not accessible locks the explorer for way way too long with no cancel option.

- In Windows Explorer when selecting the DVD drive when there is not dvd should have a message in the file list 'no disc in drive' don't bug me with some popup I have to close.

I do a lot of file operations :)

Why do people complain about people complaining about things?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:22:59 EDT

ChiTang : Complain definelt has its value (self serving for not) but it does not make things better especially you have to reply on others to make it better.

In Linux world, you don't have to complain and things do get better. Unfortunately, not for a paid commercial OS. I love to see MS stop selling XP, then and only then, MS has to:

1. Remove the limit of online activation.
2. Give out a universal key that will always activate.
3. Give a util to activate without using the internet.
4. etc....

I can't wait.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:06:44 EDT

anon : Like it or not, complaining has it's value. Let us complain. That is what this thread is about. Has anybody noticed that Windows XP is still readily available and for sale, 3 months after it was supposed to be off the market ? Complaining did this for us. Keep up the crying and bitching. Keep MS on the defense and keep pointing out all the stupid shit that they do. It helps.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:48:25 EDT

ChiTang : I am sure Vista has a lot of annoyances, unless one can write his own OS. I'll say, put up or use another alternative OS.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:21:35 EDT

Mele20 : Are you talking about the EU worry that Vista would have internet search function? I can't find anything googling specific to EU complaining about how bad Vista search is..indexed or not. Do you have some links?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:51:30 EDT

yepyep3 : A brilliant OS would have refined the code, making it smaller yet do more. Respect my privacy, screen space, drive space, and my fingers.

Microsoft probably owns all the corporal tunnel research facilities.

Almost everything takes more clicks. Even setting time or accessing network settings.

The notice and error popup windows are often huge even with minimal information displayed.

Searching is junk until you apply the legacy fix. Thanks to the Google antitrust suit. Google has been my homepage for years but I don't want to have to setup Google or apply this fix on every Vista computer I work on. (Never did find my EU reference to this issue, so edited that out)

Also, searching for all files requires a * now.

I'm only using vista on this computer to look at it, if it were my own computer, I would dump it and get a copy of XP or Linux from where ever.

There is nothing at all I've seen that is better about Vista, and since some things are not improved that should have been, it is crap code.

Vista is a Cash Cow Cancer.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:39:54 EDT

iEvolution : - UAC is annoying [easy to disable]
- The Vista Start Menu is a step back from XP
- Exploring/Saving/Navigation is one step forward, two steps back so to speak.
- Incompatible with old software

Other than that I really don't have any complaints.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 31 May 2008 10:40:37 EDT

mike31mets : i don't see what else could be doing it if it's not Security Center.

When you go into Security Center just select "Don't notify me and don't display the icon (not recommended)". You won't be seeing anymore alerts unless you finished Windows Update in which case you may see one just to let you know what updates installed.

This is not disabling Security Center. Wanted to make that clear. It only disables the pop-up ballon alerts when you'll get in Windows usually if UAC is disabled, A/V isn't installed/updated, no firewall is installed, no updates set to download, etc.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 31 May 2008 08:26:05 EDT

anon :

said by Mele20 :

I saw a post about how to turn off the Security Center but not about the balloon saying it is turned off. Plus, I want to turn off the automatic updates icon in the tray...it complains a lot because I have automatic updates disabled.

This should do it.
»[Vista] Good vista optimization and tweak software

Step 6

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 31 May 2008 06:39:22 EDT

Mele20 :

said by SipSizzurp :

said by Mele20 :

If the Security Center is disabled then how can it pop up balloon junk?

When you turn off security center you get yet another (and persistent) baloon tip warning you that the security center is disabled. The tips sticky will tell you how to quiet it.

You mean the sticky at the top of this forum? I don't see anything there about this. I saw a post about how to turn off the Security Center but not about the balloon saying it is turned off. Plus, I want to turn off the automatic updates icon in the tray...it complains a lot because I have automatic updates disabled.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 31 May 2008 05:05:57 EDT

SipSizzurp :

said by Mele20 :

If the Security Center is disabled then how can it pop up balloon junk?

When you turn off security center you get yet another (and persistent) baloon tip warning you that the security center is disabled. The tips sticky will tell you how to quiet it.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 31 May 2008 04:34:54 EDT

Mele20 : If the Security Center is disabled then how can it pop up balloon junk? I don't think it is Security Center doing it. I see a lot of crap like that too. It's been so long, I've forgotten how I turned off all incessant balloon tip junk in XP. Probably turn it off the same way in Vista. Is Vista like XP, when you turn off balloon tips for Windows it turns them off for all applications also?
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 30 May 2008 21:29:58 EDT

mike31mets : A few problems I have which may or may not be problems with the OS itself. I am using Ultimate 32-bit by the way.

-When I setup a home network and setup sharing between computer, if I have Vista with "Password protected sharing" enabled I can not get the other computers to connect even after setting passwords. The computer just will not allow access at all to other machines. I have to disable "password protected sharing" to get access to files and folders on other machines. It even stops me from getting access to my computer via LogMeIn which is nuts. I mean I know it's good that the computer is secure but I would like to be able to get access to folders and files when I put in the user name and password!

-I don't like how Windows Media Center does not allow you to play DVD folders. To do so you have to use a regedit fix to be able to get access to DVD folders. I don't recall having to do this in Windows Media Center 2005.

-I don't like how the Start Menu's red button is by default a 'sleep' button. They don't make it a Shutdown button which is quite foolish. Most people click that thinking it's going to turn their computer off and it does not. I have to change it in the Power Options settings so that it acts as a Shutdown button. I do not like having to click on the arrow next to the red button to get the shutdown option. It involves too many clicks than is necessary.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 30 May 2008 21:19:43 EDT

mike31mets : "I have found no way to turn off all the annoying balloon tips, myriad of them for telling me I am doing something wrong that I specifically ask it to do...NOT uac related."

Go to Windows Security Center (can be found in the Control Panel as Security Center or if you type Security Center in the start menu's search bar). On the left side you can click "Change the way Security Center alerts me". I know this because I use TweakUAC in Quiet Mode and I too was annoyed by the alerts I was getting from Windows that were non-UAC related. That should hopefully fix that.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 30 May 2008 19:47:35 EDT

AB :

said by Mele20 :

. . The older browsers such as IE6 and Fx 1.5 provide proper privacy for users . . . .

Yes, IE6 made its reputation on being tight as a tick's bite, security and privacy-wise.

The fact that it's not even a little bit integrated into the OS is what really makes it stand apart.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 30 May 2008 10:49:09 EDT

Cudni :

said by miscnick :

ipconfig/flushdns doesn't work in Vista.

Of course it works, you need to run the command with admin privileges
"..
- click start
- type: cmd
- press the right-ctrl, right-shift, and enter at the same time

This will do the same thing as right-click cmd.exe and clicking run as
administrator. It will work for any exe that you type into the start search
bar.
.."

Cudni
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 30 May 2008 10:40:38 EDT

anon : ipconfig/flushdns doesn't work in Vista.
There is no easy *repair* option for a wireless network adapter.
Yes, diagnose and repair is there, but if there's a problem (like flushing dns) that needs to be done it will not do it, it will say "windows has found a problem with this connection but cannot resolve it automatically" and just stops it cold.

lame.

I have found no way to turn off all the annoying balloon tips, myriad of them for telling me I am doing something wrong that I specifically ask it to do...NOT uac related.

Try and get it to connect to an unsecured wireless network (say a public WiFi hotspot).
ARE YOU SURE!!!
You really don't want to connect to this connection!!!!!
I will connect you but you are stupid for doing so!!!!!
You are connected but you're a dumbass for doing so!!!!!
Anything you do from here on out is unsecure !!!!!!!!
Windows has found problems with this connection but cannot repair them automatically!!!!
You have fantastic signal strength but the internet cannot be found (as I type this connected to the itarweb)!!!!!

Lame.

[OT] FireFox cookie nonsense

Thu, 29 May 2008 16:21:50 EDT

Lanik :

said by Mele20 :

Here is how Fx2 RC1 does:

You mean Fx3 RC1 don't you? And here is how a properly cofigured browser does.

All cookies blocked:
[att=1]
Only grc.com allowed:
[att=2]
I'm surprised with all your paranoia about cookies and all your security applications you haven't configured your browser correctly. Aren't you a beta tester?
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 29 May 2008 15:34:29 EDT

Grail Knight : What on earth does your cookie paranoia have to do with Vista? :uhh:

Edit* Here I am picking up some nice tips and the pros and cons about Vista and you start a new topic within a topic AGAIN!

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 29 May 2008 13:43:52 EDT

howie :

said by elias :

Sounds like you're just a teensy bit obsessed with cookies...

OMG! Third-party cookies!!! Does that mean this guy is gonna pay me a visit if I allow them? ;-)
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 29 May 2008 11:08:21 EDT

CajunTek :

said by Dogblinkers :

I like Vista and use it everyday but I have found some items that need attention. I miss "select all" as a menu item, and with UAC enabled nothing can be stored in the "program files" folder other than programs(no data). What have you found?
Note: I still like Vista

I have had 0 issues with Vista (Ultimate)
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 29 May 2008 10:40:48 EDT

elias : I use Firefox 3 RC1 and only use it for 3 sites that don't work well in Safari.

Otherwise, Safari is my main browser.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 29 May 2008 10:21:49 EDT

Mele20 : I hope you are using Fx 1.5 with the setting to accept first party cookies, block third party and ask for how long to keep them. Fx 1.5 on this setting passes the tests including context leakage. I hope you are not using Fx2 as it cannot block most third party cookies. Here is how Fx3 RC1 does:

edit: fix typo...I meant Fx3 (not 2) RC1.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 29 May 2008 10:07:54 EDT

elias : Sounds like you're just a teensy bit obsessed with cookies...

I just block 3rd party cookies and call it a day, which both Safari and Firefox do for me.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 29 May 2008 09:16:15 EDT

Mele20 : No, not based on IE7! Heavens I can't stand that browser only used it briefly during beta. I use IE6 and 8 but 8 is proving to be as bad as 7. IE 6 is ok. My default browser has been Firefox and Mozilla since Phoenix.

Safari is the worst as far as handling cookies goes IMO although IE7 is right up there close to it (and now IE8), but I don't use IE7 (and IE6 is reasonably ok cookie wise). Safari allows the user no privacy as you have to accept all first party cookies or none. That is ridiculous. It does block third party cookies by default..the only browser that does and that is quite commendable but it cannot be recommended because it does not allow the user to set cookies on a per site basis. ALL browsers except Safari allow this. I cannot use it for this reason alone except maybe to go to here and one or two other sites where I allow first party cookies. I can't use it to search using Google, or go to the 98% of sites where I block all cookies. When the user sets it to block cookies, it only blocks newly arriving ones and continues to send ones it has already received. Not likely what the user intended. It is not a privacy oriented browser. It has first party cross context leakage for cookies in every aspect tested.

Fx3RC1 also has cross context third party cookie leakage. BAD. Fx 1.5 passes beautifully. Fx 2 has the SAME problem Fx3 has. So, it is not just Safari with poor cookie handling but Safari is the ONLY browser to not allow per site choice on how to handle cookies and that makes it backward and unacceptable as a browser.

The older browsers such as IE6 and Fx 1.5 provide proper privacy for users but since them...bad and worse as far as privacy goes.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 29 May 2008 08:05:53 EDT

elias :

said by Mele20 :

a terribly behind the times browser like Safari

What is that statement based on? IE7?

If you want behind the times, look at IE7, which isn't standards-compliant and is a general POS. Oh, and they say that IE8 will have a "standards-compliance mode." Most Windows users that know what they're doing use Firefox anyway.

Safari is a very modern browser, despite its simple look. Firefox, Camino and Opera are all available on the Mac, too. Safari and Firefox 3 I think are the only browsers passing the Acid3 test at the moment, while IE8 will be the first to pass the Acid2, which Safari and Fx3 did long ago.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 29 May 2008 08:00:56 EDT

elias :

said by Riamen :

I'm an IT professional, mostly I support Windows and I carry a MacBook Pro. I definitely don't fit your stereotype.

What I love about the Mac is it is as simple or as complicated as you want it to be. Don't forget Mac OS X is Unix, complete with a command line and all traditional Unix tools.

And if you use virtual machines no problem. VMWare Fusion and Parallels will let you run virtual machines on a Mac.

Same here. I do Windows desktop and server support as well as networks and I use a MacBook Pro and Leopard. I use VMWare Fusion for the occasional apps that don't work, but that's seldom.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 29 May 2008 04:36:11 EDT

Mele20 : Thank you for the detailed information. I'm glad to know about VMWare Fusion which I was unaware of.

Proxo is a lot more than an ad blocker. It blocks web bugs, handles cookies, blocks gif animation and marquee animation, does all sorts of things that in some ways depends on whose config files you use. The ones I use have completely alternate pages for Castlecops, mozillazine forums, google, Yahoo, etc. Plus, while I don't write my own configs, I can always get ones that I might really want written by someone who knows how and generously writes one.

Yes, I would have to boot XP also to use my games. I am addicted to a few of them. But the real "shortcoming" for me would be not a ton of software to explore and play with on a MAC. As I said, if I ever decide, and I might one day, that I am tired of all the playing with Windows and Windows software, then I will certainly look into getting a MAC.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 29 May 2008 03:35:25 EDT

Ctrl Alt Del :

said by Mele20 :

That settles it. I can't do without Proxo. There is no satisfactory substitute either.

There are local proxy's for the Mac that will do what the Proxomitron does. I used to use the Proxomitron but found it to be more cumbersome than I needed. Adblock Plus for Firefox and Safari Adblock for Safari both provide far superior ad blocking for me. Both are self updating too (and use the same subscription lists).

said by Mele20 :

For many folks a simple computer is what they want. But I have a computer partly/mostly to play with it so a simple one is boring (although too much complexity is not exactly boring but frustrating since I am self taught and don't have any degrees in computer science so I want to be somewhere in the middle there).

If you want to customize your Mac you can open up the Terminal and check out the defaults command, or start hacking around with .plist files. A .plist is just like a .ini in Windows. Screwing with a .plist file on the Mac is the same as screwing with the Registry in Windows, except for the fact that there is one .plist file for each application, instead of a goliath registry spread among a few files. Also makes it easier to backup a .plist, because it's just a regular file. The format of a .plist is XML, so it's usually human readable.

Application wise, free tools like TinkerTool and Onyx provide GUIs that let you screw around with all kinds of stuff. They're the TweakUI of the Mac world.

Websites like macupdate.com and versiontracker.com list a good amount of Mac software. LifeHacker sometimes has some good articles about Mac apps too: »lifehacker.com/software/mac-os-x···5981.php

said by Mele20 :

I also love trying new applications and beta testing. Those are what I use a computer for.

To install most applications you drag the application to where you want and then double click it (usually the Applications folder). To uninstall, you drag it to the trash. If you want to remove it completely, find its .plist file (it will have the application name in the filename) and trash that too. It's that easy. Some applications, like VMware Fusion and Microsoft Office, use an installer which works exactly like in Windows, you hit Next, agree to the license, and Install.

said by Mele20 :

I don't shop on the internet (except to buy a computer or software for it). I don't watch movies on my computer. I do listen to streaming radio a lot. I play some games and I like to read security forums and forums about Microsoft products. A MAC would bore me. If the time comes when I want something simple then I would get a MAC but not if I can't use Proxo.

Internet streaming isn't platform based, so it would work the same on the Mac. Gaming is the only thing the Mac can't do, but you can dual boot Windows using Boot Camp if you want. I did for Portal. My MacBook Pro with Windows XP worked and acted just like a regular normal Windows laptop.

said by Mele20 :

Plus, what about my virtual machines? I gotta have those!

VMware Fusion and Parallels Desktop both let you virtualize any x86 operating system, including Windows. A virtual machine created by VMware Server or VMware Workstation in Windows can be moved onto a Mac and started in VMware Fusion. You can literally move a virtual machine between a Windows host and a Mac host.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 29 May 2008 01:23:50 EDT

anon :

said by Mele20 :

I have no interest in a two button mouse, a terribly behind the times browser like Safari, and having to try somehow to get Proxo and all my programs working right on a way, way too simplistic, highly irritating and boring MAC.

But Mele, those are MAC issues. As far as I know MAC and Vista are not the same thing. It is not fair of you to attibute MAC problems to the Vista operating system. You seem to have accidentally post into the wrong thread !
:( :( :(

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 22:36:23 EDT

Mele20 :

said by salzan :

said by Mele20 :

I do LOVE MAC graphics though and wish greatly that PCs had that.

I know this was the case in the distant past but I understand that the choice between MAC and PC has become more of a preference than a prerequisite in the graphics field.

Could you explain or provide a link to what the technical differences are that make a MAC superior for displaying/rendering graphics?

Maybe there isn't much difference anymore for graphics on the BETTER PC monitors (the ultra sharps in other words...there are some really crappy PC monitors) and a MAC monitor but there is for font rendering as I explained in my reply to Ctrl Alt Del.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 22:14:49 EDT

Riamen : I'm an IT professional, mostly I support Windows and I carry a MacBook Pro. I definitely don't fit your stereotype.

What I love about the Mac is it is as simple or as complicated as you want it to be. Don't forget Mac OS X is Unix, complete with a command line and all traditional Unix tools.

And if you use virtual machines no problem. VMWare Fusion and Parallels will let you run virtual machines on a Mac.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 21:21:32 EDT

Mele20 : That settles it. I can't do without Proxo. There is no satisfactory substitute either.

For many folks a simple computer is what they want. But I have a computer partly/mostly to play with it so a simple one is boring (although too much complexity is not exactly boring but frustrating since I am self taught and don't have any degrees in computer science so I want to be somewhere in the middle there). I also love trying new applications and beta testing. Those are what I use a computer for. I don't shop on the internet (except to buy a computer or software for it). I don't watch movies on my computer. I do listen to streaming radio a lot. I play some games and I like to read security forums and forums about Microsoft products. A MAC would bore me. If the time comes when I want something simple then I would get a MAC but not if I can't use Proxo.

MAC graphics impress me and the monitors are very fine but even my architect friend was impressed by my first monitor which is a Trinitron CRT 17" and by my current monitor which was rated the number one LCD flat panel 19" digtal monitor for 2003 by PCWorld and Consumer Reports testing. The average PC monitor is not nearly as good as a MAC monitor but the top PC monitors both CRT and LCD are right up there with a MAC. I am very envious of one thing Safari has ...a far better font rendering engine than Microsoft's for LCD monitors. I would LOVE to have that on a PC. The difference is very noticeable. I would use Safari for Windows more but its features lag behind even IE much less Fx and Opera.

So, I would like, if I could have my druthers, to pick and choose between them and have my own hybrid! ;)

edit: Plus, what about my virtual machines? I gotta have those!
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 20:59:19 EDT

salzan :

said by Mele20 :

I do LOVE MAC graphics though and wish greatly that PCs had that.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 20:53:42 EDT

Ctrl Alt Del :

said by Mele20 :

I disagree. A MAC is TOO simple.

How can a computer being simple be a bad thing? Why would anyone want a complicated computer? How would you like it if you had to manually set the IRQ and memory mapped settings for each device in your computer (sound card, video card, etc)... or let the operating system manage that? Unless you like reading Hex all day, I doubt you even know what the memory range for your video card is. You turn on the computer, launch your application, and do your thing. I don't see how a Mac being simple is a disadvantage.

said by Mele20 :

Two types of people use Macs, those who don't wantt to know anything about a computer and those who need outstanding graphics.

Such a horrible stereotype. I probably know more about computers than you as I have a 4-year B.S. in Computer Engineering from Virginia Tech, and I am not a graphics artist. Where do I fit in?

said by Mele20 :

I have no interest in a two button mouse,

Then use your current mouse from your existing PC. A Mac works with any USB mouse, from an Apple 1-button mouse to a 5-button Microsoft mouse.

said by Mele20 :

a terribly behind the times browser like Safari,

Firefox and Opera are also available on the Mac.

said by Mele20 :

and having to try somehow to get Proxo

Proxomitron doesn't exist for the Mac, but there are equivalent applications on the Mac.

said by Mele20 :

and all my programs working right on a way, way too simplistic, highly irritating and boring MAC.

You are hilarious. You are complaining that things work on a Mac. Do you like all of your stuff broken and not fully functional? Is your car alternator going up and your car battery dead? Does your refrigerator randomly stop working? I personally like it when things work, I can then focus on more important things.

said by Mele20 :

I do LOVE MAC graphics though and wish greatly that PCs had that.

Mac graphics applications, or Apple monitors?
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 20:51:24 EDT

Keizer :

said by elias :

I've never understood why Vista and Server 2003 want you to reboot after plugging-in a USB flash drive.

I have never seen this happen on my Vista PC. If I plug in a flash drive, it's available right away.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 20:24:33 EDT

Mele20 : I disagree. A MAC is TOO simple. Two types of people use Macs, those who don't wantt to know anything about a computer and those who need outstanding graphics. I have no interest in a two button mouse, a terribly behind the times browser like Safari, and having to try somehow to get Proxo and all my programs working right on a way, way too simplistic, highly irritating and boring MAC. I do LOVE MAC graphics though and wish greatly that PCs had that.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 17:04:13 EDT

Ctrl Alt Del :

said by Mele20 :

The hallmark of the MAC is its graphics.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

The hallmark of a Mac is it's ease of use, simplicity, design, and architecture. It's a user friendly BSD/Mach system with the GNU toolset and a bash command line. Also comes with the iLife suite and runs Microsoft Office.

I don't mind having less software on the Mac. I don't have to worry about Spyware Hunter Pro and other buggy software that causes Windows to BSOD randomly (especially Symantec software). I've found equivalents to every Windows program that I used on my Windows laptop and only need VMware for specialty Windows applications like Xilinx Platform Studio.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 14:20:09 EDT

Tuxified1 :

said by RandomZero :

I wonder.. How many of you complaining about all the "problems and issues" with Vista have experienced the same "problems and issues" with XP, or even as far back as Win98?

In that respect, it's not really a problem with Vista..

But then you argue "Well why is it not fixed?".
I couldn't give you an answer, but I can say most of the mundane shit is your own fault. No "New Folder" menu? No "Cut/Copy(all)/Paste" context menu option? Folder settings not staying the same. Slow performance. Etc etc etc..
All your own fault.
I've been using Vista for almost a year now and I've never experienced any of the problems you people claim.

And then there's the whole "Vista is being forced on users" argument.
I seem to remember when XP came out, XP was the main option for most new PC's. What about 98? Same thing wasn't it? Maybe not EVERY new PC, but the majority of them right?
Perhaps all the big PC companies like Dell, Hp, Compaq, etc make deals with MS? Perhaps that's why XP is the only option you have?

But what about all this new "Eye-candy" shit?
Hrm, what was the main arguement when XP came out? Oh, I know.. "WTF is with all this new eye candy shit?"
Again, not so new is it?
What was the resolution to that if you hated it so much? DON'T USE IT. Holy shit. There's an option to disable it? NO FREAKING WAY! Oh, wait.. Here it is.. In the Display settings. Exactly where it's been since.. Win 95?

But what about performance? Wait a sec.. A new OS requiring new PC's? Man, what was MS thinking? No, wait. What about Crysis? Anyone ever play Crysis? No, because your computer can't handle it..
It's call moving forward. It's called out with the old, in with the new.

What about drivers? Man, I want to use my printer from 20 years ago, why the shit doesn't it work anymore?
I don't know, maybe because there aren't any drivers for it? But why not?! I still use this!
Probably because the MANUFACTURER HAS MOVED ON AND DECIDED NOT TO PROVIDE DRIVERS FOR A TWENTY YEAR OLD PRODUCT.

What about.. What about.. Hrm.. That about covers the majority of this shit, right?

No, all them programmers out there whining about software not working. If you're such a "leet" programmer, why the shit are you not using *nix? If you're such an "advanced user", why do you continue using a buggy ass OS?
I know why.

Because people are never happy. Software is never perfect.
People always look for flaws in everything. Instead of trying to find a solution to their problems, people just whine and cry about it. Human nature sucks, doesn't it?

And with that, I leave you with this..
Any money someone is going to try and argue with me. They'll go through my post trying to prove everything I said wrong.
I'll also bet not one person agrees with me either.

The OP asked What "Exactly" the other posters have found wrong with Vista, we answered.
I don't see the need for your rant unless you are intolerant of others choices or opinions being different than your own.
IMHO choice is good, although a lot of people seem to have a problem with that sentiment.

Funny that you should mention "Nix tho...
In my particular case. the format and install of a Linux OS solved any problems I may have perceived with the OS in question, but if you are happy using Vista, I say more power to you, I won't cast cast dispersions on your intellect based on your personal preference of OS, or opinions thereof.
To each their own.

By the way, my system I purchased with Vista factory installed, dual core Intel proc, and 2 gigs ram ran the latest DX10 games with graphics set to WFO after the installation of a better power supply and a NVidia 8800 vid card with latest driver set.
So no problem there, I was just unimpressed overall with the games that were being offered, Of course, your mileage may have varied greatly on this subject too.

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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 13:11:05 EDT

RandomZero : I wonder.. How many of you complaining about all the "problems and issues" with Vista have experienced the same "problems and issues" with XP, or even as far back as Win98?

In that respect, it's not really a problem with Vista..

But then you argue "Well why is it not fixed?".
I couldn't give you an answer, but I can say most of the mundane shit is your own fault. No "New Folder" menu? No "Cut/Copy(all)/Paste" context menu option? Folder settings not staying the same. Slow performance. Etc etc etc..
All your own fault.
I've been using Vista for almost a year now and I've never experienced any of the problems you people claim.

And then there's the whole "Vista is being forced on users" argument.
I seem to remember when XP came out, XP was the main option for most new PC's. What about 98? Same thing wasn't it? Maybe not EVERY new PC, but the majority of them right?
Perhaps all the big PC companies like Dell, Hp, Compaq, etc make deals with MS? Perhaps that's why XP is the only option you have?

But what about all this new "Eye-candy" shit?
Hrm, what was the main arguement when XP came out? Oh, I know.. "WTF is with all this new eye candy shit?"
Again, not so new is it?
What was the resolution to that if you hated it so much? DON'T USE IT. Holy shit. There's an option to disable it? NO FREAKING WAY! Oh, wait.. Here it is.. In the Display settings. Exactly where it's been since.. Win 95?

But what about performance? Wait a sec.. A new OS requiring new PC's? Man, what was MS thinking? No, wait. What about Crysis? Anyone ever play Crysis? No, because your computer can't handle it..
It's call moving forward. It's called out with the old, in with the new.

What about drivers? Man, I want to use my printer from 20 years ago, why the shit doesn't it work anymore?
I don't know, maybe because there aren't any drivers for it? But why not?! I still use this!
Probably because the MANUFACTURER HAS MOVED ON AND DECIDED NOT TO PROVIDE DRIVERS FOR A TWENTY YEAR OLD PRODUCT.

What about.. What about.. Hrm.. That about covers the majority of this shit, right?

No, all them programmers out there whining about software not working. If you're such a "leet" programmer, why the shit are you not using *nix? If you're such an "advanced user", why do you continue using a buggy ass OS?
I know why.

Because people are never happy. Software is never perfect.
People always look for flaws in everything. Instead of trying to find a solution to their problems, people just whine and cry about it. Human nature sucks, doesn't it?

And with that, I leave you with this..
Any money someone is going to try and argue with me. They'll go through my post trying to prove everything I said wrong.
I'll also bet not one person agrees with me either.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 10:12:17 EDT

Mele20 : That's probably because your friend is sick of PC software so he wants few choices ..ie...a Mac!

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 10:10:29 EDT

dave : Strange, I've never seen that happen.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 10:07:49 EDT

dave : And I have a friend who has over 30 years experience in writing computer software, who does not do any significant graphics work, who is an extremely picky engineer type, and who prefers Macs to the extent that he won't buy a Wintel system.

He has (I think) three Apple machines and a VAX in his house.

I think your stereotype is simply wrong.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 28 May 2008 01:20:20 EDT

elias : I've never understood why Vista and Server 2003 want you to reboot after plugging-in a USB flash drive. I've also never understood why it takes so damn long to "install drivers" for a USB flash drive. I plug my drives into Macs and Linux boxes and the drives are recognized/mounted/opened within 2-5 seconds after plugging-in.

Often it takes at a minimum somewhere around 20-30 seconds, and sometimes Vista/2K3 takes up to 2-3 minutes to install "drivers" for the USB flash drives (and ask for a reboot!).

And I'm not talking about the same machine, I see this all over the place with different hardware, manufacturers, etc.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 22:19:08 EDT

Mele20 : The hallmark of the MAC is its graphics. That is why folks buy MACs. I have an architect friend who is using 20 year old architectural software on his MACs. There is less of a gap graphics wise these days between PCs and MACs (assuming the PC monitor is an outstanding one) but the MAC still renders eveything better than a PC. In other ways though a MAC is inferior. My friend thinks he knows a lot about computers but he doesn't really because he knows only about MACs which are used by a small segment of computer users. The fact that he can use 20 year old software still is the other reason he buys MACs.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 22:05:44 EDT

Grail Knight : I do not recall how many times it has been sai that computers are designed for the masses and not one select group over the years. Like I said an advanced user should be able to disregard any features they may deem "beneath their dignity" or of no use to them instead of saying that a company is deliberately screwing over the advanced user.

To me it seems natural that development is heading towards ease of use. I would hope in the future things are eaiser to use then harder. maybe there is an age issue here and old ideas are colliding with the new direction companies are taking.

quote:
That is why I mentioned my mom and daughters earlier...they really are the majority of folks out there. They want, and demand "easy to use", and Microsoft is not at all wrong in attemting to cater to that...after all, that is where the money is.

Seems totally reasonable to think that. My folks are the same way.
I do not expect them to learn everything about their computers but do not dislike them or think MS needs to issue another version of Vista for them.

With all of the choices available these days instead of folks ranting about the OS and browser not doing what they want they should select something different IMO. Eventually ease of use will creep into everything IMO and then what will they complain about?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 21:07:55 EDT

PeteC2 : I think that there is an impotant consideration here: Most of us here, including Mele, have an "enthusiasts" (or professional) interest in how computers operate, how to get the "most" performance out of them, etc., and there isn't a darn thing wrong with that!

But, that is a tiny thimble compared to the majority of computer users out there...we are not "the normal" type users, right?

That is why I mentioned my mom and daughters earlier...they really are the majority of folks out there. They want, and demand "easy to use", and Microsoft is not at all wrong in attemting to cater to that...after all, that is where the money is.

Vista's firewall is decent..not outstanding...the built in backup is usable, not highly customizable, and so on, but then, most folks never would purchase a firewall, back-up proggie etc. Outside of a specific productivity package, many users add no software at all! For all the rants about IE, and don't get me wrong, some well-deserved, having a browser built in to the OS was a major factor in the real explosion of folks getting on the Internet!

After all, what has ben the real hallmark of Macs and their OS's over the years, including today? Not that you can "do more" with them...rather ease of use, right out of the box! In that respect I think that both PCs and Microsoft OS's have suffered an unfair comparison, in that Macs and their OS's were designed from the ground up, by, and for one unified product, unlike the myriad of not-quite-standardized software/hardware PC combinations.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 20:20:11 EDT

Grail Knight :

quote:
Vista is exhausting because it requires so much time to get things fixed so the computer is under my control,

You are confusing the word Fixed with Options or Settings.
Getting Vista to do what you want is not fixing anything but setting the options to how you want things or change the Settings to have the OS the way you want it to behave.
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quote:
There is no need for all the security garbage in Vista.

Really? All those years of users complaining about MS not doing enough about Security and those users are now complaining about MS having to much security.

Let me ask you this. Are you one of the ones that complained about MS not doing enough?

quote:
If newbies refuse to learn then Microsoft should have provided a newbie edition of Vista rather than force the rest of us through the hell that is Vista until you get all the garbage turned off.

As you have been told before not every user has the time to kill learning the ins and outs of their computer and OS.
For all of the time you have invested with your computer does it show?

I have worked with users with skill levels that span the test of time and patience. Those that just want to get online or do email, IM, or the basic but not learn the nitty gritty are actually easier to deal with then ones that have the "My way or the highway" mentality.

Edit* Added mention of "Settings" and removed offensive comment.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 20:17:21 EDT

Tuxified1 : Bloat, resource usage, eye candy for the sake of eye candy, how it was "pushed" on the public by MS and hardware providers.

More choices of OS at the time of purchase would have been nice, but it was nothing a format and post-purchase install couldn't fix.

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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 19:51:51 EDT

Mele20 :

said by jdhymer :

I'm confused. In one post you say:

Why have a password at all, let alone a complex one, if you are going to have the computer boot directly to the desktop?
Just curious.

I don't know how to get rid of the password requirement yet. I've done very little with the Vista install other than fix things. There is a lot of different stuff in Vista and Explorer being so ridiculous and the childish, cartoonish eye candy getting in the way, I left the password thing alone for the time being. I'll get it eventually where I don't need a password. I have also been very busy getting Fx3RC1 and IE8 beta1 working properly and getting my extensions installed on Fx and finding solutions for things like the "awesome" bar which is not a bit awesome.

Vista is exhausting because it requires so much time to get things fixed so the computer is under my control, running as I want it to run. XP took some time coming from 98SE and FAT32 but nothing like the time it takes to fix things in Vista. The only improvement I see in Vista is Networking. There may be some others things I haven't noticed yet but for most folks Vista is a waste of time. XP is superior and an OS you already know.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 17:34:41 EDT

PeteC2 : Mele, I understand your curiosity about a given OS, and taking an "enthsiast" point of view...wanting to be able to get under the hood, so to speak, I really do...

However, you go right back at it, and essentially "bash" people that just want to run their computers, get their email, browse, shop, bank on line, etc., which is most of the world...

You do not appreciate how much you are in the absolute tiniest of minorities here...the vast majority of folks could care less about OS "details"...they want to run their damn computers!

You said: "My mother doesn't have a computer because she understands fully that she would need to spend a great of time learning about the OS, computers, security, etc. She doesn't want to do that. Most of my friends do not have computers for the same reason."

Is this true, Mele???

If it is, and you've influenced that attitude/decision amongst any of them, then that is really a shame!

My 79 year old mom, loves to email her friends & family, learn about stuff by browsing, and shopping on line! Does she know about OS's, file structures and security, past having an up to date A/V and firewall? HELL NO! And there is not one sane reason that she needs to, in order to enjoy, and take advantage of computing!

With nothing more than a simple A/V program, and basic firewall, most users outside of those who like to go to shady sites have little or nothing to fear. In fact, despite the naysayers, if you run Windows firewall, and have even the most modest of anti-virus programs, you are unlikely ever to have a problem...PERIOD! Now, you ranted and raved about the "security crap" in vista, but claim that your mother can't have a computer, because she does not know enough about computer security...you simply can't have that both ways!

BTW, I do believe in passwords, because I have this laptop in many locations, and i fully understand what constitutes a "good" password...and when i said 10 seconds extra?...well, that was on the generous side...doesn't really take me that long!
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 12:45:16 EDT

jdhymer : I'm confused. In one post you say:

said by Mele20 :

I want to boot directly to the desktop like I do in XP and did in 98SE.

Then you say later:

said by Mele20 :

It takes a lot more than 10 seconds to login especially if you use a complex password and why have one otherwise? Besides, you cannot set Vista to reboot, go the bathroom and come back to your desktop. I hate that.

Why have a password at all, let alone a complex one, if you are going to have the computer boot directly to the desktop?
Just curious.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 11:03:29 EDT

Airwolf : So the term "reading the green" in golf does not mean anything to you?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 10:07:03 EDT

Mele20 : I think I understand your point but we are now in the realm of semantics. To me, "reading" is the act of "gazing" (to use your term) at words and understanding them. Understanding a picture is a very different process for the brain. Words are processed and understood in the left hemisphere while pictures are processed as "a whole" by the right hemisphere. Those who need pictures to "understand" generally have a reading problem...dyslexia, functional illiteracy which affects approximately 60% of the USA's population, etc.

My brain injury, year ago, left me with partial "aphasia" for several years. The injury occured in the area of the left hemisphere where word meaning is processed. I could not think of certain words. I would want to say "I like your shirt" and could not think of the word "shirt". My injury was mostly for the spoken word but I had some evidence of the same sort of problem with the written word. I simply would not "see" the word "shirt" when I read it. Yet I did not realize that I did not see the word. I was aware when I tried to speak the word and could not. Anyhow, to me the process of reading involves the printed word, whereas, recognizing what a picture means does not involve reading words.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 09:45:28 EDT

dave :

said by Mele20 :

Err...I think you are mightly confused. It is not possible to READ an icon. An icon is a PICTURE. You don't read pictures.

What does one call the process of gazing at an icon and comprehending what it means?

I call that 'reading'.

You also obviously are completely ignorant regarding visual problems for aging eyes.

But I am not ignorant, since I possess a pair with that specification.

It is perfectly obvious to me that larger icons are more readily read than smaller icons.

If one happens to recognize things by the picture on the icon (which I do not), then it follows one puts more weight on the readability of icons. Large icon = good, for such people.

If you don't think that, then probably your brain works like mine: for example, orange blob = Firefox (fortunately there are no other orange blobs). But that doesn't mean that other people are 'ignorant' if they actually need to see what the icon says, and thus like large icons for readability.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 08:27:52 EDT

howie :

said by Mele20 :

said by howie :

What makes you think most of the parts are made in Japan? Unless that PC is like 20+ years old, I doubt very much that most or even any of the components are Japanese made. I remember a time when almost all imported electronics were Japanese made (1960's-1980's), but find your claim almost impossible to believe.

Ok, thanks... I always bought Japanese electronics way back when (mostly Sony, Kenwood and Pioneer in the 70's and 80's) and found they switched to manufacturing in China, Malaysia, Taiwan, etc. sometime in the mid to late 80's and quality really took a nosedive. :huh:
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 07:30:19 EDT

Mele20 :

I think that because former and current Dell technical employees who post at ihatedell.net site and mods there too say this. My sound card on that computer is a Yamaha card and that is the best sound I have heard coming out any computer. Rich, full sound. The sound from my X-Fi card pales in comparison. Anyhow, they say the parts in that Dimension are mostly from Japan. That's why it has lasted so long even in Hawaii on the ocean. All computers now have cheap, crap parts made in China and Dell's are generally the cheapest of the cheap.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 06:29:46 EDT

howie :

said by Mele20 :

But then most of the parts in my 98SE box are from Japan and it was actually built in the USA. Nothing like the junk parts from China that we see today and the NO engineers anymore and no QA for OEMs.

What makes you think most of the parts are made in Japan? Unless that PC is like 20+ years old, I doubt very much that most or even any of the components are Japanese made. I remember a time when almost all imported electronics were Japanese made (1960's-1980's), but find your claim almost impossible to believe.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 04:24:35 EDT

Mele20 : I'm trying Vista because I got both 32 and 64 bit Ultimate free from Microsoft (part of the Windows Feedback Panel).

Desktop icons sort of stay the size I put them...but they revert sometimes. Explorer icons CONSTANTLY revert to gigantic. There seems to be no way to make Explorer remember how you set the size of the icons. Plus, Explorer cannot remember to use tiles. The only place they stay small is in the systray and the Start column. Even in the systray, I have had to adjust them a couple of times.

It takes a lot more than 10 seconds to login especially if you use a complex password and why have one otherwise? Besides, you cannot set Vista to reboot, go the bathroom and come back to your desktop. I hate that. I know if I use the real, default Admin account I won't have the problem but I don't see why there are all these restrictions on an Admin account that I created when installing Vista.

Yes, I unhid the hidden files, but the irritating thing was first trying to figure out how to get tree view back for Explorer so I could find where to do all this stuff. I'm feeling better now that I can use Explorer properly. I spend a great deal of time in Explorer so to have Vista take it away from me was awful. It is rather amusing though that now I see all the files that are not a part of Vista but are in XP. I can't access them (and they are empty anyway) but they are displayed in Explorer when you use tree view.

I don't mind if Microsoft makes a version of Vista for newbies/average users. But they should not do that across the board. The entire point of having a computer, to me, is for mind stimulation. I don't just want it to work and not know anything about it. If you think like that you ae a sitting duck for disaster and that is why we have rampant problems with users and spyware, phishing sites, spam, etc. All because they are too lazy to learn about their computer and their actions on the internet. My mother doesn't have a computer because she understands fully that she would need to spend a great of time learning about the OS, computers, security, etc. She doesn't want to do that. Most of my friends do not have computers for the same reason.

I want to know how the computer and OS work and how to have the computer totally under my control. I can't fathom not knowing or caring what OS you are using. I have no interest in watching Youtube videos or doing instant messaging, or killing my privacy at Facebook, etc. I have a computer because computers interest me. A computer is not a toaster. If was like a toaster I wouldn't want one because it would be too tv like and thus boob tube all over again.

I figured I needed to acquaint myself with Vista because only Dell will be selling computers with XP after June 30. Plus, I wanted to see for myself what Vista was like.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 27 May 2008 03:55:03 EDT

Mele20 : Err...I think you are mightly confused. It is not possible to READ an icon. An icon is a PICTURE. You don't read pictures. I have no trouble at all discerning small icons. It is PRINT that I need larger....not pictures. If it was possible, I would get rid of all icons. I don't want to see pictures and certainly not gigantic ones when a very small one would suffice.

As for WMP, I haven't looked. I think 6.4 is there, hidden, until you get rid of the main one.

Microsoft is listening to what I have to say about IE8 and Accessibility so I don't what your rant is all about. But since you don't know that pictures are LOOKED AT rather than READ...I can't put credence in your rant. You also obviously are completely ignorant regarding visual problems for aging eyes. I suggest you read up on the subject before ranting again. Accessibility does not mean "handicapped" and you are the one who needs to watch their language. Did you just crawl out of a cave? Why don't you go back since you seem to think this is 1950.

As for the heavily overburdened security stuff in Vista, I never asked for any of that. I was totally against it. I don't need all the junk that is in Vista and if Microsoft wanted to provide a Vista version for the users who refuse to learn how to secure their computers fine but that should have been one Vista version...not all of them. Microsoft needs to be sued again anyhow because they have gotten so uppity that you cannot remove Defender. That is shocking. I don't want that piece of junk. I have my own security defenses. It is fine with me if MS wants to offer Defender to users but to make it a part of the OS where you cannot remove it...well that should bring heavy fines on their head. It's IE vs Netscape all over again.

As for Flash, yes, I don't use it partly because of the tiny fonts...not the pictures ...the fonts that are part of Flash and the control panel which has extremely tiny fonts. And any text in a Flash presentation is usually tiny and cannot be enlarged. Microsoft's rival Silverlight, when out of beta, will have accessiblity standards met so that fonts can be made larger. So, theirs is going to be much superior to Acrobat's Flash Player. In this respect, I praise Microsoft.

As for 98SE, I still use it. My 98SE computer will be nine years old in three days and the install of 98SE will be almost 8 years. Sure would be nice if today's computers would live to a nice age instead of falling apart in a year or two. But then most of the parts in my 98SE box are from Japan and it was actually built in the USA. Nothing like the junk parts from China that we see today and the NO engineers anymore and no QA for OEMs.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 26 May 2008 12:24:03 EDT

howie : I actually LOVE the new PNG icons. They are soooooooo much better than the old XP ICO ones. I even made them a bit larger to take in all their beauty. ;-)
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 26 May 2008 12:00:47 EDT

PeteC2 :

said by dave :

Can we stop all this whining about user interfaces for interacting with computers?

As everyone with a clue knows, this here image shows the only decent UI device. Everything since then has been bloated, slow, and counter-intuitive.

I hope that settles the matter.

Heehee...the sad thing is...I was around (even as an adult) when that was modern office technology... :huh:
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 26 May 2008 11:54:35 EDT

PeteC2 : WHEW! Can I ask a simple question? Why the heck are 'ya using Vista???? :o

You hate the icons (so? resize 'em, I did!), the Aero interface (so don't use it!), hidden files (er, not exactly "new", Mele?), UAC (ok, a bit awkward, to me, but not such a big deal), Explorer (works fine for me, and again, I adjusted it to my habits), the "security crap" (well, most folks want a secure OS..but go figure); Login (OK, I always had multiple users, so I always logged in...takes gee, about 10 seconds more?)

Mele, when you say that Win 98SE was the best OS you used...you lost me there! Win 98SE was the best of a bad series of DOS-based kludges! Base memory (640kb) and "extended" memory, FAT 16/32, and that's not even to mention 98SE's absolutely abysmal handling of memory when apps are opened/closed! 98SE was the best Win 9X...but that is about all you can say for it.

Also why the rancor towards "newbies?" Hell, 98 percent of all computer users are newbies in terms of OS knowledge! My 32 year old daughters (twins) are computer literate, in that they have been using computers since their school-girl days...yet neither one could tell you whether their computers are running XP or Vista (actually, one of each)...they just know that they are running "Windows". My 79 year old mom has been using computers since before the IBM PC (where she used to work), and still does, and could not tell you that she is still running Win 98SE (because it is an old desktop, with little ram, and is just a web-surfer box)...she just wants it to work.

Yeah, Microsoft designed an OS for the vast, vast majority of their intended market...Geez, how dumb was that?

Besides Mele, as you even admitted, you were able to make all, or at least by far the majority of changes on the features that you did not like...so how bad is that? I too have made some adjustments from the "vanilla" set up that was on my Vista-installed laptop. However, I do not consider that a negative, just that I have certain likes/dislikes and am willing to make adjustments...many, many users are quite happy with Vista in it's default configuration.

Look, there is no need for you to like Vista, and you do not have to validate your likes/dislikes...there are a few hardy souls out there who still prefer a command line interface, and I say more power to them, but if you just plain don't like Vista, then why bother?
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 26 May 2008 11:48:50 EDT

dave : Can we stop all this whining about user interfaces for interacting with computers?

As everyone with a clue knows, this here image shows the only decent UI device. Everything since then has been bloated, slow, and counter-intuitive.

I hope that settles the matter.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 26 May 2008 11:36:41 EDT

Steve Mehs : Wow and I thought I was a crybaby when it came to user interface changes. As for security, you can't have it both ways, people bitched that Windows was unsecure, now MS makes some improvements, and people like you still aren't satisfied. In fact you don't seem to be satisfied with anything. Or are you just pissed that Windows Vista doesn't include your precious Media Player 6.4? And aren't big icons good? I thought you were all in favor of wanting things easily readable. This a quote from one of your lunatic ranting about Time Warner, none of which hold any water,

"For one thing, I cannot read 4pt font. That is why I don't use Flash because I cannot navigate Flash because the font is too tiny and it cannot be changed. Someone will sue Time Warner over this because it is against the Americans With Disabilities law to block a lot of folks because of Flash with tiny fonts."

»[TWC] Road Runner Radio
Maybe Microsoft read that and didn't want you to sue that as well for violating some kind of handycap law that doesn't apply in cyberspace. But keep rating on about whatever, I find you hilarious.

Here's a suggestion, go back to your crappy WIN98SE!
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 26 May 2008 09:17:09 EDT

Mele20 : Now that I have Explorer back to looking like it does in XP, I don't hate Vista nearly as much. The two worst things in Vista are UAC which I immediately got rid of and Explorer being so stupid looking and difficult to navigate. But both of those are fixed. I have Vista Ultimate installed on a Virtual PC 2007. The host machine's CPU is a Pentium 4 3.8 GhZ Hyperthreading with nVida board and card. I don't like Aero. I have had transparency since my Dell 8300 in 2003 with a nVidia card...so I find what is in Vista ho hum. Transparency is better through nVidia.

I also hated the gigantic icons in the Control Panel. Those are gone now. They are tiny again. I have a few more things to do to get Vista to look like XP Classic style. I have to find out how to get rid of the login. I hate that. I want to boot directly to the desktop like I do in XP and did in 98SE. I disabled Windows defender immediately but want to figure out how to uninstall it.

I hate the ridiculous crap that Vista puts you through just to grab a shared file from the host. There is no need for all the security garbage in Vista. I might actually like it if I didn't have fight it every step of the way to do anything. That is outrageous. If newbies refuse to learn then Microsoft should have provided a newbie edition of Vista rather than force the rest of us through the hell that is Vista until you get all the garbage turned off. With Explorer so crazy, until I got the tree view back, I couldn't even find where to turn on view hidden files. There should be no hidden files in the first place. That is stupid. Really, really stupid. Again, if newbies refuse to learn then that is their problem and should not be mine. I am happy to help them learn, but I should not have to suffer because they refuse to learn. I had to learn and they should have to also. Making an OS only for newbies, which is what MS has done with Vista, is crazy and a slap in the face to everyone else who doesn't need all the extra security crap. I have the Proxomitron, Process Guard and Avira (and I will be adding Spyware Blaster and Super AntiSpyware although I never get any spyware) and I don't need the junk in Vista.

I see no reason what so ever for the ridiculous changes in My Documents, etc. There is no improvement in the new way. So, what was the point?

Now that I have Explorer in tree view again, I can see that Vista still has the ability to run 98SE type themes and do other classic things so I feel better about it. I see no need to radically change anything just for the sake of change. I want to be able to use my themes on Vista and should be able to do so. Anyhow, my beef with Vista is that there was no need to make it radically different from XP which is a good OS although I still prefer 98SE as the best OS I've used. Microsoft should not try to reinvent the wheel.

Oh, and I feel much better now that I got the systray icons tiny. What is Vista's obsession with gigantic icons? They are so ugly! Icons should always be as tiny as possible IMO. And why is there a stupid downloads folder? I want to use MY downloaded programs folder instead. See, here again, Microsoft has designed the OS for newbies only.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 26 May 2008 08:52:29 EDT

RickNY :

said by izy :

Actually, my main gripe about Vista is the fact it never save the folder type in explorer. I have a folder with many files and one picture yet Vista likes to think that the entire folder contains pictures and displays the stupid rating stars. Who knows, maybe there is a way to turn this feature off. I'm sick of reseting folders to the "All Items" option...

I dont know if this was answered later in the thread, but this feature is subject to breaking.. Fortunately, it can be fixed -- and even better, turned off completely:
»www.windows-now.com/blogs/kmkenn···ery.aspx

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 26 May 2008 08:21:36 EDT

CajunTek :

said by Vistablows :

I've got a brand new Compaq laptop and managed to change all the useless eye candy and get most of it working the way an OS should, but Vista still insists that anything I download from the internet is bad and I have to manually unblock every damn file.

Ya think? »[Info] Vista's Despised UAC Nails Rootkits, Tests Find
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 26 May 2008 00:16:28 EDT

anon : I've got a brand new Compaq laptop and managed to change all the useless eye candy and get most of it working the way an OS should, but Vista still insists that anything I download from the internet is bad and I have to manually unblock every damn file.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 25 May 2008 20:25:57 EDT

howie :

said by Steve Mehs :

Vista Ultimate is running very beautifully (with Aero enabled) on my 4 1/2 years old Compaq Presario 8000T. Intel Pentium 4HT Processor at 3.20GHz, 2 GB of PC3200 DDR RAM, NVidia GeForce 5600FX Video Card.

I agree 100%. Those who say you can't run Vista adequately on a P4 HT have likely never tried it. I'm running Ultimate (and Aero) on a P4 3.0E HT (3.3Ghz) and 2GB DDR RAM. Vista boots quicker and runs applications noticeably faster than XP on the same machine. It's a known fact that Vista takes full advantage of hyperthreading technology as well as the newest multiple core CPU's. I know there are others here running Vista on P4 HT 3.0Ghz. class machines who are quite pleased with Vista's performance as well, even on these older 4-5 year old PC's.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 25 May 2008 19:46:39 EDT

Steve Mehs : I preordered the OEM version of Vista Ultimate 32 bit off of Tiger for $200 and had it installed on 2/2/07. I hated it. Things I hated:

1) User Account Controls
2) No Classic Login
3) Folders View Settings Not Remembered
4) Creative's beta (and eventually final release) drivers for the Soubd Blaster Audigy 2 sucked

I went back to XP Pro for a while, then took another look at Vista. I enabled the Administrator account and log on as Administrator so not to be bothered by UAC, the Classic Login thing doesn't bother me anymore, the folder view problem can be solved with a simple registry tweak, and after playing around with the audio controls I got the sound quality more to my liking, not as good as it was in XP, but better then it was.

For those that say only run Vista if your computer is a year or two old, I say bah! Vista Ultimate is running very beautifully (with Aero enabled) on my 4 1/2 years old Compaq Presario 8000T. Intel Pentium 4HT Processor at 3.20GHz, 2 GB of PC3200 DDR RAM, NVidia GeForce 5600FX Video Card. Three days ago my new HP Pavilion Ultimate 5000T arrived. Vista Ultimate 64 bit, Intel Core 2 Quad 2.83 GHz, 8GB of 800MHz DDR2 RAM, NVidia GeForce 8000GT. After a little playing around to get Vista how I like it, I could never go back to XP. On this new computer I ordered it with Creative's Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer and sound quality is excellent and the old Compaq was given to my mother, so issue #4 is now irrelevant.

My almost 9 year old Compaq Presario 5700T still has to stay back in the stoneage and run XP.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 24 May 2008 01:02:06 EDT

mechwarrior : I think vista is great until sp1. As a gamer I prefer the fastest os and the most stable that being xp sp3. xp sp3 is faster and more reliable and better driver support less of a resource hog

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 23 May 2008 23:59:17 EDT

C0deZer0 :

said by devil24 :

said by C0deZer0 :

Oh, and you just have to LOVE how Vista x64 won't install correctly if you have more than 2GB of RAM installed. :huh: :uhh:

Mine did... no probs whatsoever while using 8GBs of RAM during the install.

Every single time I tried, it either locked up on the initial install screens, or would act as if everything was alright, then spit out errors about a shitload of corrupted system files, such as ntfs.sys.

I did not exactly "have fun" with having to remove all but one stick of RAM to get it to install at all. :uhh:

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 23 May 2008 22:41:26 EDT

maximus_808 : I started to read through that old thread and came across this post made by Mr Steveo ...

Two things led me to pick up the hobby of DIY computers

Windows Me

A computer from Gateway

The commericals are very true though. After owning a gateway and dealing with the headaches, the idea of talking to cows and various farm animals does cross your mind

In all seriousness, Ive used every Windows OS they have rolled out. And when I build comptuers for peopel I really try to steer them towards Win 2000 or Windows XP

Both are ready for primetime and both function as excellent gaming platforms....assuming youve isntalled all the patches

Most people who complain about XP are like the people who complained about WIndows 2000 the first year it was out. See, XP and 2000 are not forgiving on cheap or severely outdated hardware. If you have crappy RAM, or a wimpy PSU or PCI cards that are 6 years old and gnerecit brand, yes Windows 2000/XP will puke it up. Also NTFS is a great format, but not on a dying or crappy (IBM Deskstar) hard drives or dying HDDs

Then of course you have the naysayers who would rather say bad things about XP than admit they sscrewed something up and are too proud to ask for help

Oh and dont forget the sour grapes crowd. You know the type. Either they cant afford the time or money to get XP (understandable) or they are just plain fear driven people. Without trying XP or using it they will spout out all the things XP cant do and whats wrong with it, bugs etc. they have no experience for saying such things, but bashing something they want but cant yet have makes them feel better about their Windwos 95/98

Personally if I were you Id look at some good independent review sites, or talk to people who build systems and have personally used all the WIndows OS versions. I think you will find Windows 2000 and XP at the top of the list (and Windows Me at the bottom LOL)

For me its simple...thers only two OS versions. 2000 and XP. 2000 for customers who want no frills and have very little RAM 128-256MB Everyone lese, XP should work great for. Im sorry but theres no DOS game I need so bad that I want to deal with Win 98 lock ups blue screens, sucky memory management, and weekly reboots. Fast and compatible means nothing if your platform isnt stable.

A good inofrmed objective opinion can go a long way at dispelling rumors
[text was edited by author 2002-04-15 01:42:42]

Good job again. :)
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 23 May 2008 21:53:22 EDT

PeteC2 :

said by maximus_808 :

said by Mr Steveo :

To quote some robots, "All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again."

Many folks seems to have short memories. XP was not this revolution nor widely accepted when it landed on shelves. Anyone remember the griping about how XP wouldn't run fast on 256MB of RAM? Remeber those who said XP must be for kids with all those bright red, blue, and green PlaySchool colors? Remeber the clamor when XP SP1 came out only for Microsoft to say oooops and in less than a week they had to release SP1a? Similar to today, remeber the folks saying they didn't want their RAM and CPU wasted on all the XP graphics? And recall all the folks who saw no need to upgrade to XP?

And yes, all those XP objections were even taking place right here at DSL Reports!
(See thread below from 2002 named simply "OS")
»OS

Six years later and same blah blah today.

And we will go through this whole thing yet again in a few years, with amnesia of these 2008 Vista objections.

This may be one of the most intelligent posts i have seen in this thread .. it describes exactly what i was thinking.

Good job.

Couldn't agree more!
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OT: XP

Fri, 23 May 2008 19:33:34 EDT

howie : Wasn't the SP1a update the one that removed the MS Virtual Machine due to a federal court order?
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 23 May 2008 19:26:19 EDT

NYR11 :

said by devil24 :

said by C0deZer0 :

Oh, and you just have to LOVE how Vista x64 won't install correctly if you have more than 2GB of RAM installed. :huh: :uhh:

Mine did... no probs whatsoever while using 8GBs of RAM during the install.

Mine did also with 4 gigs installed
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 23 May 2008 18:19:19 EDT

maximus_808 :

This may be one of the most intelligent posts i have seen in this thread .. it describes exactly what i was thinking.

Good job.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 22 May 2008 19:43:55 EDT

devil24 :

said by C0deZer0 :

Oh, and you just have to LOVE how Vista x64 won't install correctly if you have more than 2GB of RAM installed. :huh: :uhh:

Mine did... no probs whatsoever while using 8GBs of RAM during the install.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 22 May 2008 18:56:42 EDT

anon : Issues resolved!! woohoo

So the other day i was working through the iPod issue and one of the posters mention that he was able to fix a similar issue. He had noticed that "USBSTOR.INF" was missing from "C:\windows\inf" he found "USBSTOR.INF" in "c:\windows\system32\FileRepository". After copying it over he was successfully able to install his ipod.

I also was missing that file so I did his same steps but still had no success. Just a bit ago I noticed that "msmouse.inf" was missing as well. So I decided to write a small application that scanned through the FileRepository and grabbed the latest versions of all INF and PNF files and copied those to the "C:\windows\inf" folder. I also gathered the most recent version of the .sys files from FileRepository as well and copied those to "c:\windows\system32\drivers".

I restarted and voola the mouse and keyboard still worked and I didn't get any new hardware wizards. I plugged in my iPod and Vista found it and voola it works.

So I guess this is a Vista problem of some kind, bad install maybe? Why are files missing from the inf and drivers directories?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 22 May 2008 18:44:26 EDT

anon : Yes i installed the latest version of iTunes successfully and it was definitely the 64bit version. iTunes works fine (i'm able to listen to songs and go to the iTunes store and dowlonad things) but Vista and iTunes cannot find the iPod.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 22 May 2008 18:42:23 EDT

anon : Yea I tried that and it caused the devices to stop working all together and i had to scramble to find a PS\2 keyboard and mouse so that i could reverse the change.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 22 May 2008 17:58:35 EDT

Ctrl Alt Del :

said by Guile :

Not really sure though what the ipod issue is. There seems to have been problems on both sides of the fence on this one Apple and MS, however none of the current fixes that are available work for me. I just have to hold out for a while I guess.

The latest iTunes for Windows is now Windows 64 compatible. Are you able to install iTunes successfully?
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 22 May 2008 16:43:26 EDT

howie : I'm guessing you've tried this (suggested by auggy in another thread).
»vistabits.info/driver_installati···red.html
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 22 May 2008 16:22:46 EDT

anon : I imagine it's more of a x64 driver issue than anything. However being confronted multiple times for each device seems a little obsessive on windows part. There is the option to never get the message again for that device but that causes the devices to no longer work. Going through the steps and letting it fail 5 times somehow manages to allow the devices to work.

I've had the machine 3 weeks now it worked fine until this past Tuesday. That's when this mess started.

I have ran into many threads in my search for a solution that mention the hotfix for Vista however when I attempted to install it the installer tells me it does not apply to my system.

Not really sure though what the ipod issue is. There seems to have been problems on both sides of the fence on this one Apple and MS, however none of the current fixes that are available work for me. I just have to hold out for a while I guess.

This is stuff is typically the issue with new OS's. I remember having driver issues with XP when if first came out. Until it's solved i'll probably just avoid shutting down every night.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 22 May 2008 16:03:54 EDT

howie :

said by Guile :

What I hate is that everytime I reboot Vista thinks it needs to reinstall all of my USB devices. The new hardware wizard pops up and fails when trying to install them. The worst part is it does it 5 times for each device so it gets very annoying very quickly. Mouse and keyboard work fine even though this happens but still wtf?

I also have been unable to install my IPod nano.

I'm running Vista Enterprise x64. Mouse and Keyboard are MS brand so you would figure that they would work flawlessly.

I understand your frustration at the issue you've described but I doubt this is something inherently "wrong" with Vista. I seem to recall others seeing this and a fix was mentioned. I don't have the time to look right now but try a Forum Search and see what you can come up with. I hope you can remedy this soon!
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 22 May 2008 15:38:47 EDT

anon : What I hate is that everytime I reboot Vista thinks it needs to reinstall all of my USB devices. The new hardware wizard pops up and fails when trying to install them. The worst part is it does it 5 times for each device so it gets very annoying very quickly. Mouse and keyboard work fine even though this happens but still wtf?

I also have been unable to install my IPod nano.

I'm running Vista Enterprise x64. Mouse and Keyboard are MS brand so you would figure that they would work flawlessly.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 12 May 2008 11:16:25 EDT

anon :

said by Mr Steveo :

»OS

Excellent example.

Vista > XP,2000,ME,98SE,etc np~~~~

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 12 May 2008 03:05:59 EDT

Mr Steveo : To quote some robots, "All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again."

Many folks seems to have short memories. XP was not this revolution nor widely accepted when it landed on shelves. Anyone remember the griping about how XP wouldn't run fast on 256MB of RAM? Remeber those who said XP must be for kids with all those bright red, blue, and green PlaySchool colors? Remeber the clamor when XP SP1 came out only for Microsoft to say oooops and in less than a week they had to release SP1a? Similar to today, remeber the folks saying they didn't want their RAM and CPU wasted on all the XP graphics? And recall all the folks who saw no need to upgrade to XP?

And yes, all those XP objections were even taking place right here at DSL Reports!
(See thread below from 2002 named simply "OS")
»OS

Six years later and same blah blah today.

And we will go through this whole thing yet again in a few years, with amnesia of these 2008 Vista objections.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 11 May 2008 23:19:17 EDT

Annmarie : My sister and I bought my Dad a new Compaq Presario laptop for Father's Day.
His old laptop is around 7 or 8 years old now and originally came with ME.
I quickly installed XP on that one which he has been using ever since.

We gave the new one this past week because we just couldn't wait.

It is running pre-installed Vista Home Premium SP1.

No issues what so ever.

Dad is 80 years old. :)

Having lived through the depression, several wars, two heart attacks, two strokes, a new aortic valve, a pacemaker/defibrillator Vista wasn't even a blip on his radar.

He loves it and is quite proud to mention to his identical twin "oh - XP is so 20th century". LOL!

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 11 May 2008 19:53:42 EDT

Konceptz : Vista has problems?!?!? Must be doing something wrong then, SP1 only made vista faster for me.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 07 May 2008 14:21:32 EDT

Ctrl Alt Del :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

- That's odd. The trackpad did not work at all when you installed Vista? Or you are lacking some features on the pad itself? Because I see alot of users with Alps pad working no problems at all. I'm sure Ubuntu 8.04 is just the version number for the.. Ubuntu itself - the kernel among with glrx and nv and others stays the same.

Only basic movement works. The scrolling feature, the back/forward feature, the drag-lock feature, etc require the Alps driver. The provided driver from Dell is not Vista compatible, Vista even pops up saying "This is a known problematic driver." The "More Information" link takes me to Alps website saying "Visit your OEM for an updated driver." But my OEM (Dell) doesn't have an updated driver. Nor does Windows Update.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 07 May 2008 09:05:23 EDT

anon :

said by Ctrl Alt Del :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

... n00b users ... learn to use Vista properly ... go through the de-bugging process ... requires an extensive learning curve ... Linux users who have been converting lately !

Your post is full of fail.

- Average computer users should never have to debug an OS, especially one they paid money for.
- Requiring an extensive learning curve on a new OS is also a stupid thing. If people become accustomed to Windows, why would Microsoft want to suddenly change everything around?
- At least Linux supports my Alps trackpad perfectly. In fact, Ubuntu 8.04 supports my hardware better than Vista.

That last post is not mine - I think it's Killer Max as he/she/it always put a space before an exclamation point. I rarely see that from anyone else - including myself. =p

- I agree. Pretty much reason why we advise those computer illerate n00bz users to buy a machine preinstalled with Vista if they want Vista. But they still run into little annoyances even with Windows XP. That's why we (IT techs) are here - help fix users =) Just to give up Vista right away because there is a familiar crackling noises going on is just ...

- Only major changes is UAC so I agree there as well. The others are pretty simliar to XP - I can find my way around XP and Vista without a problem. Heck I get to places alot quicker in Vista than XP now. It's not hard. I have ALOT of computer illerate friends BARELY bugging me about anything about Vista - I have setup 4 Vista machines for my close friends last year - zero complaint about anything. I just had to install a brand new DVDRW and a tuner card in one of friends Vista machine and I saw TONS of software installed - he must be an IT person like me. Now he's telling me how much he loves Media Center built in Home Premium.

- That's odd. The trackpad did not work at all when you installed Vista? Or you are lacking some features on the pad itself? Because I see alot of users with Alps pad working no problems at all. I'm sure Ubuntu 8.04 is just the version number for the.. Ubuntu itself - the kernel among with glrx and nv and others stays the same.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 05 May 2008 14:09:41 EDT

Ctrl Alt Del :

said by 33591094 :

Don't bother feeding the anon troll. With a handle like "Vistaluvr2" (lol - damn that's childish), does anyone think they can have a decent discussion with this 'person'?

He's a regular around here actually, and is usually very insightful. But I just flat-out disagreed with that one post of his.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 05 May 2008 13:59:59 EDT

33591094 :

said by Ctrl Alt Del :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

... n00b users ... learn to use Vista properly ... go through the de-bugging process ... requires an extensive learning curve ... Linux users who have been converting lately !

Your post is full of fail.

Don't bother feeding the anon troll. With a handle like "Vistaluvr2" (lol - damn that's childish), does anyone think they can have a decent discussion with this 'person'?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 05 May 2008 12:55:49 EDT

Ctrl Alt Del :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

... n00b users ... learn to use Vista properly ... go through the de-bugging process ... requires an extensive learning curve ... Linux users who have been converting lately !

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 05 May 2008 09:59:26 EDT

gaforces :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

said by gaforces :

...it has teething problems and a big burrito in it's diapers ...

And what evidence to you have for that ? I assure you that everything "wrong" with Vista is a result of either poorly written drivers by hardware manufacturers, or by the fact that n00b users are simply not taking the time to learn to use Vista properly and to go through the de-bugging process. It is a whole new operating system and requires an extensive learning curve to get it configured and to learn to use all of it's new features. It is just like XP was when it came out. The OS itself was perfect. Remember that it was replacing Windows ME which only the most elementary computer users would ever consider running. That says a lot. Windows 2000 is perfect. Windows Server 2003 and 2008 are perfect. Vista is perfect too, just ask any of the Linux users who have been converting lately !
:)

The evidence I have is my experience with Vista since I was a beta tester for more than a year before it came out.
If it was a mature OS and fully tested we wouldn't have to go through any "de-bugging" process and it would work. Your own statements are evidence now with your de-bugging comment :)

Your assurance don't mean squat to me, I have my own hands-on experience with Vista and I am not some NOOB using a computer. I have been using MS OS's since DOS 1, so don't try and tell me how Vista is so perfect.

Vista is a retail product and I expect it to be robust and mature unless it's still in beta testing.

It's not solely the hardware driver manufacturers fault. If they (MS) didn't try and push an immature OS out the door by lowering the WHQL driver standards or whatever they are calling it now we wouldn't be having so much problems with Vista.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 05 May 2008 09:39:58 EDT

anon :

said by gaforces :

...it has teething problems and a big burrito in it's diapers ...

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 05 May 2008 08:50:39 EDT

gaforces :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

Because someone will read your post and assume that Vista suck. That's all. Your post is pointless.

It doesn't suck over all, but it has teething problems and a big burrito in it's diapers that probably will never be fixed or changed because the people who could fix/change it are most likely working on Windows 7 now.

His post is very much on topic of the anonymous person who started this thread and never came back ...

If the anon seriously wanted to know the problems with Vista the anon would have taken my advice and read all the threads on this forum instead of being lazy and expecting us to fill out the blanks for em.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 05 May 2008 07:56:13 EDT

anon : It's pretty much on topic.

In fact I had problems with TNT and certain VIA chipset a long time ago. Ended up getting a newer revision of chipset to fix it. Ran ATI during the dreaded nvidia infinite loop bug era. Whoopie.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 05 May 2008 07:51:49 EDT

anon : Because someone will read your post and assume that Vista suck. That's all. Your post is pointless.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 04 May 2008 20:06:32 EDT

Ctrl Alt Del :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

Then why buy Vista and give up in seconds without even trying?

I don't know why Winerin would pay for Vista for an old machine, I'm not the one to ask. I wouldn't pay to get Vista. I got Vista Enterprise for free from college. Vista doesn't work with the touchpad on my Inspiron. Either Dell, Alps, and/or Microsoft failed at making a functional trackpad driver for Vista. Dell's website lists no Vista driver, Alps's website says they have a Vista compatible driver but that I have to get it from my OEM (Dell), and Windows Update lists no driver.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 04 May 2008 20:02:23 EDT

Winerin : I don't know why you are taking this so personally. It wasn't my intention to get you so upset and angry. I didn't bash Vista at all. I simply stated that due to some issue I was getting rid of Vista (which I was running as a trial, I do not own a copy of Vista). I know there are plenty out there that have Vista working like a charm.

I know for a fact that if I did put some work into it I would have gotten it to work. I never give up and have always found a solution somewhere to get something going right, even if it meant a clean install and starting over with XP. I know the issue I have is relatively minor compared to what else could go wrong. But, quite frankly, it just isn't worth MY time right now. Who has the right to tell me what I should or shouldn't do? Did I even state that others shouldn't use Vista?

What I don't understand is your hatred toward those that just choose to pass up Vista. That is the true mystery.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 04 May 2008 19:59:02 EDT

anon :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

I had both nVidia (starting with 16MB TNT) and ATI (starting with 9500pro) cards. Never had any problems with any of them even though I constantly run into threads/posts about their similar problems. Same thing with Creative Labs as I had all way from SB16 to X-Fi - zero issues with any of them ...

That is great news, but off topic. This thread is specifically about what people are finding wrong, not what they are finding works. Half the things on my Vista installs work perfectly as well. Maybe we need a new thread to talk about things that work properly !

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 04 May 2008 19:25:48 EDT

anon :

said by Winerin :

I don't mind troubleshooting all the time. But why would I take the time to troubleshoot something when I already have a working OS? If I had no choice but to get Vista working, trust me, I would take the time to get it working like I use to do with XP in the past. I doesn't mean I'm lazy. It doesn't mean I don't have the know-how. XP works for me, Vista doesn't.

Trying to cram reasons down people's throats to use Vista doesn't make any sense to me. It's like someone telling me to go Apple. Again: XP does what I want it to do and does it well.

So, in your opinion, Creative and Nvidia have a history of bad drivers. But I have never experienced the problems I had in Vista on XP. Some people say, "Go ATI!" Some say, "Creative sucks!" Some also say, "Pepsi is sooo much better than Coke!" Really...it's a personal preference in the end. I've had both ATI and Nvidia. I don't prefer one over the other. They both have worked for me well. As for Creative: I've never had a problem with their products before. Maybe later I'll change my sound card, or even use my on-board sound, but right now it doesn't even matter. Why? Because XP works for me.

Posting what you said didn't make any sense to me either. You didn't bother to troubleshoot and yet you bashed Vista on assumption that it is a Vista problem. It could've been very simple. Like this -> »www.planetamd64.com/index.php?sh···ic=27143 -- Look at the end of the thread.

I had both nVidia (starting with 16MB TNT) and ATI (starting with 9500pro) cards. Never had any problems with any of them even though I constantly run into threads/posts about their simliar problems. Same thing with Creative Labs as I had all way from SB16 to X-Fi - zero issues with any of them with any of Windows (from 95 to Vista) - never ran anything other than CL on my main machine.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 04 May 2008 19:15:28 EDT

anon :

said by Ctrl Alt Del :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

This is one thing that peeves me. By saying you didn't take time to troubleshoot your problems and yet you post this. BTW, both nVidia and CL has long history of unstable/crappy drivers (even though they got great hardware) even in Windows 98. I've seen people bitching about cracking/stuttering CL cards on XP.

It could be that people don't want to troubleshoot new problems in a new OS, regardless of who's fault it is. If the issue didn't exist in XP and XP did everything you needed it to, why waste time troubleshooting Vista and Creative's horrible drivers?

PS. Never buy Creative.

Then why buy Vista and give up in seconds without even trying?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 04 May 2008 18:06:24 EDT

BillRoland : What I've found wrong with Vista is that, despite all the things that are "better" than XP, it still "don't get no respect"
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 04 May 2008 17:20:27 EDT

Winerin : I don't mind troubleshooting all the time. But why would I take the time to troubleshoot something when I already have a working OS? If I had no choice but to get Vista working, trust me, I would take the time to get it working like I use to do with XP in the past. I doesn't mean I'm lazy. It doesn't mean I don't have the know-how. XP works for me, Vista doesn't.

Trying to cram reasons down people's throats to use Vista doesn't make any sense to me. It's like someone telling me to go Apple. Again: XP does what I want it to do and does it well.

So, in your opinion, Creative and Nvidia have a history of bad drivers. But I have never experienced the problems I had in Vista on XP. Some people say, "Go ATI!" Some say, "Creative sucks!" Some also say, "Pepsi is sooo much better than Coke!" Really...it's a personal preference in the end. I've had both ATI and Nvidia. I don't prefer one over the other. They both have worked for me well. As for Creative: I've never had a problem with their products before. Maybe later I'll change my sound card, or even use my on-board sound, but right now it doesn't even matter. Why? Because XP works for me.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 04 May 2008 16:55:35 EDT

Ctrl Alt Del :

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 04 May 2008 15:42:43 EDT

anon :

said by Winerin :

I decided to get rid of Vista Ultimate for now. It may be due to having an Audigy sound card, but Vista just isn't doing it for me in the gaming arena. I installed the modded drivers but when I try to play a game like Crysis it has a very irritating studder/crackling with the audio in intense areas. I really didn't take the time to troubleshoot the problem though as it could have also been the video driver also. But since I have heard there are multiple issues with Creative and Vista I'm leaning more toward the audio drivers.

Who knows, maybe because my computer was built a little over a year ago and I need some better hardware. But it works perfectly under XP. And I got a 5.3 base score in Vista (most was 5.9 the 5.3 score was for the processor). I'm just not willing to take the time to work on the kinks when I already have something that works.

I did notice things like faster boot times and some applications loaded faster. But the gaming problem just didn't do it any justice. As much as dual booting could have been a temporary solution, I decided I didn't want to have to keep switching between two OS's. Everything I want to do I can currently do with XP alone. I'm either going to wait for at least another six months, or wait until things I use start stating "Operating System: For Windows Vista Only."

This is one thing that peeves me. By saying you didn't take time to troubleshoot your problems and yet you post this. BTW, both nVidia and CL has long history of unstable/crappy drivers (even though they got great hardware) even in Windows 98. I've seen people bitching about cracking/stuttering CL cards on XP.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 04 May 2008 15:15:30 EDT

Winerin : I decided to get rid of Vista Ultimate for now. It may be due to having an Audigy sound card, but Vista just isn't doing it for me in the gaming arena. I installed the modded drivers but when I try to play a game like Crysis it has a very irritating studder/crackling with the audio in intense areas. I really didn't take the time to troubleshoot the problem though as it could have also been the video driver also. But since I have heard there are multiple issues with Creative and Vista I'm leaning more toward the audio drivers.

Who knows, maybe because my computer was built a little over a year ago and I need some better hardware. But it works perfectly under XP. And I got a 5.3 base score in Vista (most was 5.9 the 5.3 score was for the processor). I'm just not willing to take the time to work on the kinks when I already have something that works.

I did notice things like faster boot times and some applications loaded faster. But the gaming problem just didn't do it any justice. As much as dual booting could have been a temporary solution, I decided I didn't want to have to keep switching between two OS's. Everything I want to do I can currently do with XP alone. I'm either going to wait for at least another six months, or wait until things I use start stating "Operating System: For Windows Vista Only."

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sun, 04 May 2008 10:54:16 EDT

anon : Inspired by this post, I thought I should bump up this thread once with this link in case someone still thinks: "Vista is slower than XP" or "XP is 10% faster than Vista" or "Vista is too SLOW" or "Running Vista is like running XP on a 500mhz" or ... you get the idea.

So HERE IT IS ONCE AGAIN!!!!

»futuremark.yougamers.com/forum/s···?t=72298

No, I don't give a shit about the early/outdated/uncomplete benchmarks *cough*tomshardware*cough* floating around the Net.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 02 May 2008 13:59:40 EDT

CipherDias : Nothing at all. I have installed and used all versions of VISTA and found nothing wrong with it. In my previous job I was doing 3-5 installs of various flavors of Vista every day and found no driver issues, & no issues within the software. It appears that most peoples gripes are of the nature of "It looks different to XP", "I cannot work out how to do in Vista what I used to do in XP", "My PC ran fine with 512MB of RAM with XP but it's sooo slow in VISTA!" etc. etc. For the most part PEBKAC errors!

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Fri, 02 May 2008 12:52:22 EDT

anon : ...*cough*

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:04:55 EDT

anon : Dang sorry to hear that...

»www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x···.12.html

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:52:50 EDT

codecx : My woes are over. ;)

I painstakingly spent my entire weekend figuring out a way to get SLi enabled in a 2003 Enterprise OS..

Its still too early to give a thumbs up, but its working... and efficient..and nForcer tells me that SLi is enabled..

So next step is benchmarking games!

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:34:14 EDT

Annmarie : after the initial install and messing around with the settings to get the fonts we like, the default programs we like, and installing current drivers from certain vendors I can't name one thing our family does not like about Vista at this point. No one complains about the speed either and I have the oldest machine in the house - a Dell 2400 with only 1G of memory.

I am running the 32 Ultimate, my son the 64 Ultimate and my husband the Home Edition (all legal copies :))

We do have 2 other old machines with XP that are used exclusively for back up and FAH.

And all computers "see" all the other computers.

If a person has the option to use Vista for whatever reason I don't see why not - MS is not going to go backward even though they are still selling and supporting XP.

And I think Vista is very pretty too. :)

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:28:41 EDT

anon : Heh, if you look at my screenshot closely, you'll see it's off the network share ;)

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:00:34 EDT

howie :

said by Vistaluvr2 :

On a side note... is this slow? ;)

Why so slow? ;-)
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:49:22 EDT

anon : On a side note... is this slow? ;)

Yep, it's SLOW.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:48:32 EDT

anon : It's all hardware/driver compatibilty.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:16:03 EDT

dave :

said by C0deZer0 :

The reason that those OS's can address 4+GB of RAM in 32-bit is because they're made for platforms that have multiple memory controllers.

I don't think that's accurate. The Intel Pentium Pro, II, III, 4, Core, etc, has since the mid 1990s had 36-bit physical addressing; there is no problem in principle with a 32-bit OS (which means "an OS in which virtual addresses are 32 bits") addressing the entire 36-bit physical address space. There is no problem with one memory controller accessing the entire 36-bit bus.

However, it seems that cheap hardware and cheap drivers for cheap hardware can't necessarily cope with this, which leads to flaky systems. So Microsoft decided to impose a 4GB addressing restriction on the desktop systems. It was a deliberate software engineering tradeoff.

Servers are generally better-made systems and don't have so much dime-store hardware attached, thus different rules apply there.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:42:05 EDT

C0deZer0 :

said by codecx :

eff that!

Not everything i own has a 64bit driver, so its too bad..

Still... doesn't solve the fact that MS DOES have the power to address memory higher than 4gb in a 32bit OS. 64bit OS's are not supported as much as I'd like them to be.. This capability should've been released into XP's SP3..

The reason that those OS's can address 4+GB of RAM in 32-bit is because they're made for platforms that have multiple memory controllers.

Even now, your fastest quad cores and desktop chipsets only have a single memory controller to address all your RAM. Just because it's dual channel doesn't mean it's a separate controller handling it.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:16:14 EDT

yolarry : ssx4life, all I do to get into cmd is go to start and type it in thet field at the bottom. it will appear on the left window and you can hit enter or click on it.

said by codecx :

Lack of support for Powerful PC's
Why does vista32 still only have support for like 3gb of RAM? Who the hell would actually try to use Vista-64... because... you know.. XP-64 is totally loved by all!

well on my dad's computer, I stick 4gb's on his Windows Vista 32-bit and show up 4GB. might be the sp1?

said by codecx

Gaming compatibility --shoddy
So far, of all the games I've put into my machine.. Almost every "Microsoft Games" title has crashed at startup.

Update grahpics card drivers and update the game?

Happen to me when I was trying to play Gears for PC. it keep crashing every 5 mins. So after I update the game, it work but I prefer raptor Hard drive for that game. man every new mission I play it lag like hell for a min and smooth after that.

Frontlines Fuel Of War takes a long time to load.

Halo 2 plays damn good but wish they did not take split screen so I can hook another 360 controller on :P. too bad halo 2 is not for xp.

Call Of Duty 4 Plays Sexy on here

My PC Rating: 4.6, Geforce 8600 GT Card, AMD 64 X2 3800

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:52:45 EDT

anon :

said by BloodRoses :

Erf, sudo is so much less work.

The elevate command from Microsoft works almost like sudo. Google for elevate.vbs and it's on the first link.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:50:29 EDT

BloodRoses : Erf, sudo is so much less work.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:44:59 EDT

anon :

said by Winerin :

Back on topic: I was having a hell of a time making simple changes to some configuration files in my program folder. Wouldn't let me overwrite anything until I made some permission changes. I can understand why it would want to protect people, but for me it was frustrating.

You don't need to make any permission change. You just need to launch notepad as Administrator then open the file with that Admin'ed notepad. Or Command Prompt as Administrator and edit files in Command Prompt by either typing edit filename.ini or notepad filename.ini in the Admin Command Prompt window.

Or you can download elevate command from Microsoft.

It's not hard once you learn how to use Run as Administrator.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:53:19 EDT

Winerin :

said by lorennerol :

said by codecx :

That is weird. I've seen 3.5 at most..
I wonder if MS released a silent fix..

They shipped a patch that changes the reporting. It doesn't, however, change how Vista uses RAM. Same old limits there.

I got excited at first when I noticed my system was reporting 4gb of RAM then I saw what was really being utilized. Not like I really need all 4, but it would be nice though!

Back on topic: I was having a hell of a time making simple changes to some configuration files in my program folder. Wouldn't let me overwrite anything until I made some permission changes. I can understand why it would want to protect people, but for me it was frustrating.

And for the life of me, I can't get my Vista to share files over my wireless network with my girlfriend's XP machine. I know it's not Vista with the problem. But it was a snap on my XP partition.

Memory

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:35:34 EDT

codecx : eff that!

Not everything i own has a 64bit driver, so its too bad..

Still... doesn't solve the fact that MS DOES have the power to address memory higher than 4gb in a 32bit OS. 64bit OS's are not supported as much as I'd like them to be.. This capability should've been released into XP's SP3..

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:23:51 EDT

anon : SSX4life,

Thanks for bringing that up. You just gave me awesome ideas. The Vista users can do is hit Windows key and type:

"control panel" will get you to control panel

"device manager" will get your to..... you know.. ;)

"personalization" will get .. you can figure it out ;)

"internet" will load IE (wonder if it's default browser too)

"mail" will load Windows Mail.

"event viewer"

"folder options"

blah blah blah..

Awesome =) Vista is now MUCH quicker to get to stuff ;)

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:17:54 EDT

anon : You need x64 version, if you got retail version, you're in luck, your key will work on 64bit. Just need to find a 64bit disc.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:28:50 EDT

codecx : Hmm... Has anyone tried to exceed 4gb then? ;) Now I'm all curious....

...and why did mine only see 3.5 out of my 8gb! :(

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:19:53 EDT

lorennerol :

said by codecx :

That is weird. I've seen 3.5 at most..
I wonder if MS released a silent fix..

They shipped a patch that changes the reporting. It doesn't, however, change how Vista uses RAM. Same old limits there.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:42:51 EDT

garethsk :

said by ender7074 :

When I unzip a file it takes forever. Im using the integrated zip app and havent tried a different one.

Vista will scan each file as it extracts it, slowing down the extraction. If it's a file you trust, you can go into the properties and select "Unblock", this allows the files to extract without the scan. Then you can scan the folder if needed.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:14:30 EDT

anon : There are printers when you can just plug it in and Vista will install it no problems. And I have tried to link up my bluetooth mouse to a friend's brand new mac book pro with leopard - it complained of a service needing to be insall and I had no clue what to do there but I'm sure I need to install the Logitech software.

Vista picked it up without any additional software.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:08:13 EDT

codecx : That is weird. I've seen 3.5 at most..
I wonder if MS released a silent fix..

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:59:02 EDT

anon : Unbelievable- just plugged my scanner into leopard-heard it fire up, this is like the many printers I have- just plug them in-you think nothing is happening but Leopard have already set it up and made it the default! Thats the type of things Vista should do in this day and age but I cannot even run 2 printers on it. Just more annoying bullshit when I have to say XP SP3 is the best OS ever.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:46:08 EDT

anon : Of course I don't expect MS to make OS's able to handle all old equipment-this is what I said asshole"-I mean XP drivers for my NEW sony and HP laptops- you should really check BEFORE you buy-I did not unfortunately!!"
These were new notebooks I bought in January! There should have been a label saying THIS COMPUTER HAS VISTA AND IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH EARLIER VERSIONS OF WINDOWS
More and more XP drivers are not being written for all sorts of hardware, probabily to save money but it pisses me (others? off that I cannot run XP on my Vista only notebooks-I would not have bought them if I had known this. And, no Sony and HP are not providing recovery discs in XP, they used to offer both! I would have like to run my expensive slide scanner but the co. went out of business so no Vista driver and no XP notebook.
MS has caused so many people problems with bringing out Vista its unbelievable and its not just effecting people wanting to run 1995 equip. on it!
Just saw the news on CNN- Mac revenue up 54%, no doubt people get pissed and go for Leopard, I love it - maybe my scanner will work with it.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:08:41 EDT

inteller :

strange, Vista lists all 4Gb of my RAM, and my PC is just an off the shelf HP a1710n.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:05:57 EDT

inteller :

said by ender7074 :

So basically drivers for old crap is your issue? You do understand that drivers or lack thereof have nothing to do with Vista and everything to do with the hardware manufacturer right? As far as Leopard goes, its got just as many bugs as Vista. Go ask the Apple crowd. Anyway, you really dont have an issue with Vista, just an issue with manufacturers not wanting to make drivers for every old piece of equipment. And trust me, XP is not the best os ever.

but don't you get it, Microsoft is supposed to account for EVERYTHING! They are supposed to know about all hardware and write the drivers for them.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:35:09 EDT

Tzale : Control panel doesn't work... When I click on it, it just opens for a split second and closes... I have to open it via explorer.

-Tzale

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:50:44 EDT

DownTheShore :

said by snipper_cr :

My big thing wrong with Vista is - it is not as intuitive as XP was.

That's one of my main gripes with Vista. Most of us are not coming into Vista cold - I've progressed to it start from Win95 on up. There's no need to fix the things that aren't broken and make things more difficult to find or do. I am a desktop PC mouse-user; I don't know shift-whatever from sh*t, and I have no interest in learning it and should have no need TO learn it. Shifting functions over (or making them quickly more accessible by using) the shift-alt-or-windows buttons WITHOUT letting the users know that's the master plan is just bad design and bad marketing.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:43:21 EDT

Kilroy : Having to launch the COMMAND window as Administrator to release and renew an IP address.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:13:43 EDT

jmycknshk : add to that, the fact that there's only one flavor of leopard, as opposed to the ridiculous # of versions of vista, the fact that you can install it on up to 5 computers legally for $200, and the fact that the latest version will not only on 3 different processors(g4/g5, intel core solo, intel core duo) but will run fairly well with only 1 GHz or less and only 512 MB ram.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:18:48 EDT

onDvine :

said by djr777 :

... Use it together with Auslogics BoostSpeed to get the top performance out of your expensive hardware. ...

I never tried Auslogics BoostSpeed. Good luck with it. I know you'll be pleased with Disk Defrag.

Thanks. ...

You're welcome. :)

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:14:04 EDT

anon :

said by SSX4life :

AS far as the run command goes ever since.... forever I have done windows key + r to get right to the run command (I'm a power user remember) and they just make windows infinately more complex and stupid at the same time.

Well train yourself not to hit R, one less step for Vista!

Hit Windows key then type notepad

BANG, notepad running.

Hit Windows key then type cmd

BANG, command prompt starts.

Hit Windows key then type cmd then CTRL+SHIFT then enter

BANG, Administrator Command Prompt is up and running.

Nice and fast.

With XP:

Hit Windows key then hit R then type cmd.

BANG, command prompt starts.

Make sense?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:00:12 EDT

anon :

said by SSX4life :

blah blah blah
Lack of ability to reset admin passwords outside of windows (no sam file reset etc.)
blah blah

»home.eunet.no/pnordahl/ntpasswd/

I had to use it once on a Vista machine that someone forgot the password to...

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:51:33 EDT

codecx : First.. I'll not flaunt my specs, but lets just say I have a computer that can handle it very well.

Vista, in terms of simply running an OS. Runs just fine.

Internet, office applications, simple desktop stuff. Perfect. I can understand why people like it. Its very pretty.

Its when you deviate from that basic model and things go downhill.

Lack of support for Powerful PC's
Why does vista32 still only have support for like 3gb of RAM? Who the hell would actually try to use Vista-64... because... you know.. XP-64 is totally loved by all!

Server 2003/2008 32bit (Enterprise Edition's) have 32gb addressable memory. Are you freaking telling me that you can't make this simple architecture change doable in every OS you make?!? This just angers me.. MS purposely waters down their OS's selectively... We live in an age where its cheap and possible to get 8gb of RAM and we'd only be able to use it if we either pirated software, or used linux..

Yippie?

Movie playback - I use CCCP, a codec pack that works great in XP. I haven't found anything that says it works better in Vista, so I stuck with it.

Unfortunately, it guarantees a random system lock up whenever I view AVI. Don't know when, don't know why or how.. but I guarantee you that it will happen. Whats more, it won't give any reason in the event viewer... ..the temperatures on the CPU, chipset and video cards are all operating within normal parameters, so I cannot blame them either. Irritating..

Gaming compatibility --shoddy
So far, of all the games I've put into my machine.. Almost every "Microsoft Games" title has crashed at startup.

Rise of Nations (original/expansion) Halo2, Age of Empires III (although the game does work with the expansions), Fable, Assassins Creed, Lost Planet..

7 titles, all ironic failures.

Games from other vendors
The Sims 2, Half Life 2, Warcraft 3, Prince of Persia 1-3, Crysis, Farcry, Oblivion, etc.. All work fine, which I am grateful for... but what the hell? Most of the non-working titles were built for Vista, and by a Microsoft Partner nonetheless.... and ..well dammit, I wanted to play Halo 2 on the PC. One of the major factors of getting dual 8800GT's and putting them in SLi.

Aside from this, everything else is fine I guess. MCE has problems with not recognizing some of the AVI files I have, its an encoding thing.. I use Media Player Classic that comes with the CCCP pack so it doesn't really matter.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:16:43 EDT

Airwolf : When you tap the Windows Key and let the Start Menu open (small delay sometimes) then pressing R, yes Run... doesn't appear.

However, holding the Windows Key and pressing R brings Run... up even quicker.

*shrug*

I feel bad for those who have trouble with Vista, but I can't really say it's the worst thing ever.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:14:30 EDT

djr777 :

said by onDvine :

said by djr777 :

... Does your disk defragmenter seem to run slower on Vista?

My husband's computer has Vista and its defragmenter is not only slow, but won't even start the process without analyzing fragmentation first (also slowly). It's a PITA all the way around.

I got around it by installing Auslogics Disk Defrag, which is Vista-compatible and MUCH faster. It displays progress details, too.

Disk fragmentation leads to system slowdowns, PC crashes, slow startups and shutdowns. Auslogics Disk Defrag® is designed for fast optimization of modern hard disks. Use it together with Auslogics BoostSpeed to get the top performance out of your expensive hardware. Disk Defrag is absolutely FREE.

I especially like the FREE part.

Thanks. I will have him download it tonight!
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:10:56 EDT

SSX4life : if you hit them at the same time yes... but when you are used to windows key.... then r it's not.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:09:53 EDT

Airwolf : Windows Key + R still works...

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:03:14 EDT

SSX4life : forget creative then and go with my other 10 problems (don't even get me started).

Work in progress my @ss... They should do to vista what they did to the ET games back in the late 70's.

»www.joystiq.com/2006/01/25/burie···earthed/

AS far as the run command goes ever since.... forever I have done windows key + r to get right to the run command (I'm a power user remember) and they just make windows infinately more complex and stupid at the same time.

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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:58:44 EDT

Airwolf : The Search field in the Start Menu basically works the same like Run..., but you can put Run... back on if you want.

Just because Creative doesn't want to support older sound cards, doesn't mean it's the fault of Vista.

I use Defraggler for the sole purpose to use the most CPU cycles for the task rather than have low priority and be running other tasks while it's defragmenting. Which is what the Windows Defragmenter does.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:56:24 EDT

onDvine :

said by djr777 :

... Does your disk defragmenter seem to run slower on Vista?

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:50:47 EDT

SSX4life : Vista...It's kinda like a dumb blonde. Easy on the eyes but my GOD is she slow in the head and fails to get it every time you try to interact or have a civil conversation with her.

Other issues are as follows.

Run command removed from the start menu (who the hell thought that was a good idea)

C:Documents and Settings / All Users file tree is all but missing now. If I want to remove something from the start menu, or put something under it with the new UI I need to go to these convoluted locations and file trees that make abosultly no sense.

Hindering to power users overal

Lack of drivers (creative especially)

DX10 gives u zero added performance over xp

Removal of Dos from the core of the OS and therefore removing several key software applications on the enterprise level.

It's not "My Documents" any more... it's just Documents. So who's documents are they after the EULA? Yours or M$?

Yummy DRM

Lack of ability to reset admin passwords outside of windows (no sam file reset etc.)

Need I continue?
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:14:11 EDT

Alcohol :

said by lorennerol :

1. No matter what I do it won't remember folder view settings.

That's my one and only problem.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:50:26 EDT

anon : There is a reason Apple computer sales increased 45% in the last year-"it just works" I have not had any problems with the 10.52 update installed!

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:45:23 EDT

anon : I mean XP drivers for my NEW sony and HP laptops- you should really check BEFORE you buy-I did not unfortunately!!

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:36:54 EDT

snipper_cr : Takes forever to copy files to the harddrive. I often like to put movies on my laptop which came with vista and putting 3 or 4 700mb movie files takes a VERY long time, compared to what I am used to with XP.

It always seems to be accessing the harddrive. Now I am not sure if that is vista or just the normal bloatware that came with an HP laptop. This summer I am going to reformat the drive with just vista and no HP software.

My big thing wrong with Vista is - it is not as intuitive as XP was. I was a die hard Windows 98 lover because it was the first windows OS I used (a little bit of 95 but not much). I was very skeptical about the switch from 98 to XP. I fell in love with XP immediately. Everything seemed so intuitive and laid out that it was easy to do anything. Tasks I would do in 98 were different in XP but the changes made complete sense.
Vista it seems tried to do that as well but over did it and made it quite cumbersome. It feels they tried to make it TOO intuitive and ultimately gets in the way. There are now quite a few tasks on vista I do not know how to do.
HOWEVER... this summer as well I am going to put Vista on my main rig to "immerse myself" with the operating system. I hope by doing that I can reach an agreement with vista.
I am doing this with an open mind...
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:54:14 EDT

lorennerol :

said by hoyleysox :

The Windows Media Player that comes with Vista keeps playing the song a song/video after I close the explorer window.

That's because the process doesn't close when you click the X, and yes I see that, too.

And to add to my list above:

11. Network activity icon is system tray has been redesigned in a way that makes it harder to see activity.
12. Integrating the wired network activity icon and the wireless network activity icon means I can't see which interface the packets are traversing. Bad.
13. Connecting to a wireless network got MORE complicated with the integration of the wireless connection wizard with all the other connection types.
14. As mentioned earlier, the repair network option is slower and less effective than the XP version.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:33:52 EDT

hoyleysox : Internet explorer still freezes sometimes. It takes a LOT longer to end the task.

The Windows Media Player that comes with Vista keeps playing the song a song/video after I close the explorer window.

Those are my only gripes so far.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:12:02 EDT

anon : Looks like "select all" is there, thanks, looks like operator error(me).
As for the program folder I need to explain a little further. When a program wants to save data in the programs folder, it appears to the program that it indeed did save it there but in reality, if you look manually the saved data is not there. It is saved in a virtual folder in the users app directory. If you turn off UAC it will save it normally in the program folder and be viewable manually. Personally, the data is more important, and it would almost be impossible for a user with little experience to locate and backup that data. I guess it does make sense not to have any data reside in the programs folder so I just need to tell all the programmers.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:11:30 EDT

en102 : I hate having to daily kill 'explorer.exe' and restart to keep my screen from losing its coherency.
Vista is VERY bloated, causing high CPU spikes w/o much running. XP is a little more 'robust' on that function. I can typically run XP for ~ 1 month before it starts to bog, while Vista can be a daily chore. Most PC's come with a lot of bundled crud which is close to 'spyware', IMHO.
I have an AMD 64 3800+ with 3GB and ATI video @ 1600x1200.
Fedora core 8 64 bit runs nicely on the other HD.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:07:49 EDT

Kilroy : Not particualrly with Vista, more with Install Shield. If your Documents folder is mapped to a network drive the install will fail, this is known issue and in my opinion a major reason for businesses not to adapt.

Also I paid for the Ultimate version and the "extra" content has been next to nothing.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:06:06 EDT

58483323 : If this is all that's wrong with Vista then I think Microsoft did an excellent job.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:21:39 EDT

ender7074 : So basically drivers for old crap is your issue? You do understand that drivers or lack thereof have nothing to do with Vista and everything to do with the hardware manufacturer right? As far as Leopard goes, its got just as many bugs as Vista. Go ask the Apple crowd. Anyway, you really dont have an issue with Vista, just an issue with manufacturers not wanting to make drivers for every old piece of equipment. And trust me, XP is not the best os ever.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:12:35 EDT

anon : The only problem I have with Vista Ultimate is, it works too well for me. Wish it didn't so i could join in the whining. And get this, when i shut down the computer using the power button on the computer, it saves data and shuts the computer. When i turn the computer on again, I'm not getting the "your computer was not shut down properly" message. So no need to go to Start ->Shutdown -->OK in the Shut Down windows.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:30:32 EDT

elboricua : I loathe the detect and repair networking aspect. I wish I could just choose repair and have it run just like XP did. The diagnostic portion takes a lot longer than just repairing. I understand why it's there, but just give me the repair option only if I want it.

My only other gripe was fixed with SP1 which was the extremely slow network file copy process.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:20:54 EDT

anon : "WRONG" - compared to what? The OS is great for HD, extreme gaming, terrible because of compatibility issues with older hardware & software, and a lack of XP drivers being written for "Vista" computers and hardware making it impossible to get rid of it should you want to.
Lets compare "wrong" to the XP SP3 full retail- in my opinion the very best OS ever! There was never any need for Vista.
I would say Leopard is second best, I never thought I would like it but its extremely cool, I am turning my wife onto it-nothing but complaints about Vista-could not stand it anymore.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:28:19 EDT

denb45 : I have found nothing wrong with Vista, here's my take on Vista
If your System is up to the job, and is at least newer than 1 to 2 yrs old, All versions of Vista should run just fine, but, if you are trying to run Vista on anything older than that, then do-yourself-a-favor DON'T.......you are better off running XP, so the bottom line here is, buy or build a new System and put Vista on that.........just my 2 cents......
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:37:52 EDT

C0deZer0 : In Vista, my computer refuses to boot up with a DVI video signal. I always have to unplug my monitor and replug it in in order to get video again. And even then, Vista insists that I am running a "Generic, non-PnP monitor" with a max resolution of 1024x768... It's a 1680x1050 monitor, for *expletive* sake! :mad:

UAC. I don't want to know just how to disable it. I don't want it *expletive* installed in the *expletive* first place!

Oh, and you just have to LOVE how Vista x64 won't install correctly if you have more than 2GB of RAM installed. :huh: :uhh:

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:28:03 EDT

ender7074 :

said by nemo1966 :

said by markopoleo :

The only problem i have with vista is people always bitch about it but don't have any real complaints. :p

The only problem I have is that people moan about the people bitching about Vista when it's obviously a Bag O Sh*te. ;)

Works just fine for me with one exception. When I unzip a file it takes forever. Im using the integrated zip app and havent tried a different one. Other than that Vista is rock solid and I never have any of the issues above.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:20:42 EDT

izy :

said by nemo1966 :

said by markopoleo :

The only problem i have with vista is people always bitch about it but don't have any real complaints. :p

The only problem I have is that people moan about the people bitching about Vista when it's obviously a Bag O Sh*te. ;)

My only gripe is those that love to make generalizations without backing it up!

Actually, my main gripe about Vista is the fact it never save the folder type in explorer. I have a folder with many files and one picture yet Vista likes to think that the entire folder contains pictures and displays the stupid rating stars. Who knows, maybe there is a way to turn this feature off. I'm sick of reseting folders to the "All Items" option...

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:12:39 EDT

anon : If you hit ALT key at the window, those familiar menus will appear...

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:13:02 EDT

nemo1966 :

said by markopoleo :

The only problem i have with vista is people always bitch about it but don't have any real complaints. :p

The only problem I have is that people moan about the people bitching about Vista when it's obviously a Bag O Sh*te. ;)
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:54:52 EDT

djr777 : I have XP on my 2 computers. My son uses Vista. I have shown him how to keep it tuned up and running clean but it seems when his disk defragmenter is running it takes a very long time to finish. And it doesn't show the progress along the way.

Does your disk defragmenter seem to run slower on Vista?
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:28:51 EDT

markopoleo : The only problem i have with vista is people always bitch about it but don't have any real complaints. :p

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:28:09 EDT

anon : signmeuptoo you can change the size of the desktop icons if you hold down the control key and scroll with your mouse wheel. This bothered me too and really bugged me when my 2 year old made them big 'playing' with my computer and I had to google around to figure out what she had done, but they are nice and small now so maybe she did me a favour.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:25:48 EDT

signmeuptoo : 1: When yahoo messenger locks up/crashes, it locks up Vista, I can't even start task manager and shut it down like I can in XP Pro.

2: I don't like the way the Vista Windows Explorer navigates, too many button clicks, it is hugely annoying. I'd rather navigate right from a tree rather than repeated drop down lists of each sub/super directory! It's aggrivating.

3: I can't find a way to run un approved driver run software, such as SiSoft Sandra's drivers (Vista 64).

4: The permissions system was set up dumb, they should have imitated Linux/Unix completely, and added all the permissions and ownership variables that the nixs have!

5: Icons are too large on main window. Side bar items are too large (some of them).

6: Huge annoyance: You STILL cant set Windows to open all Windows explorer windows to the same size, you have to stretch them and move fire name bar over/resize with every new individual window opening. They should have provided an option to make ALL settings persistent!
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:07:42 EDT

lorennerol : 1. No matter what I do it won't remember folder view settings.
2. The very handy "New Folder" button is not always present.
3. No matter what I do it won't remember the last window size for Explorer through a reboot.
4. It's slower than XP on the same hardware with very few benefits, and a number of crazy-making annoyances (1-3 and 5-10, for starters).
5. It, like XP, sometimes forgets my monitor orientation when the laptop goes in and out of the dock.
6. Extra clicks everywhere, like to get to the display settings to fix #5.
7. Integrated search is inferior to WDS for XP. There is no excuse for this.
8. Integrated backup tool is inferior to NTBackup. There is no excuse for this.
9. Restructuring of the user profile folders means running with hidden folders shown means I have to look at a lot of clutter in my user folder.
10. Bloat: Takes up much more room on the hard drive.

Really, Vista is not dying from a single bad feature, but from 1000 pin pricks of minor annoyances. The significant new features are most beneficial to large corps, but they can't afford to switch en-masse, and the SMB sector, which does roll over more often sees little benefit.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:25:11 EDT

PeteC2 : "Exactly"? Nothing. I have a few minor quibbles, and to be sure, there is always room for improvement. However, in a modern, properly configured system, it is stable, and not at all hard to work with.

My biggest complaint really, is that Vista is primarily an extension of XP. I do not recommend it to friends/associates/family as a needed upgrade for an already XP SP2 configured system...but, for a newly bought/built computer, I do recommend it over XP.

I do admit that I wish UAC was a little less annoying, although after awhile I've become accustomed to it, and really, it is just not that big a deal.
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:56:45 EDT

dave : Enforcement of "no data in \Program Files" is a good thing.

It's a multiuser system. Apps that put per-user data in not-the-user-profile causes crosstalk at best (or else you have to invent your own profile scheme in the wrong place), and causes privilege leaks at worst -- e.g. an unprivileged user can leave little traps for the administrator in the shared data file.

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:34:21 EDT

anon : Sometimes you lose the ability to go up one folder in windows explorer. This happens usually at the 3rd or higher level, especialy when folder names are large. I HATE THIS!

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:59:23 EDT

jeffster1970 : The UAC is so annoying I finally got around to disabling the monster. I know it is supposed to protect against security threats, but, my, why does it run so slow?
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:55:02 EDT

howie : You can put anything you want in Program Files with UAC on. All you need to do is give permission at the UAC prompt (assuming you have Administrator Privileges). Your post makes it sound like it can't be done, period...
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Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:49:43 EDT

Jahntassa : Ctrl-A still works (sorry, don't use the dialog menus if I can avoid it)

As far as no data in the Program Files, uh.. that would be a good (i.e. not annoying) thing. I can't recall how many people lost data because programs stored it IN the folders with the programs, and when they moved to another computer or reformatted, they lost that data because they didn't realize it wasn't in their 'My Documents'

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:40:56 EDT

howie : Select All is there.. always has been.

(Edited for image.)

Re: [Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:51:39 EDT

gaforces : If only you were registered! But, you can still read up on all the complaints in this very forum :)

[Vista] What "Exactly" have you found wrong with Vista

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:26:02 EDT

anon : I like Vista and use it everyday but I have found some items that need attention. I miss "select all" as a menu item, and with UAC enabled nothing can be stored in the "program files" folder other than programs(no data). What have you found?
Note: I still like Vista