2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! in TekSavvy

2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! in TekSavvy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20372562 en Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:53:34 EDT Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:53:34 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20376012 JayMan : vyatta gave me a headache.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20376012 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:35:30 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20375611 anon : New vyatta is out.....

Notable New Features are:
- FusionCLI (Routing and Linux commands in same CLI)
- New routing subsystem (Quagga inside)
- Remote access VPN (L2TP+IPsec and PPTP)
- QoS and bandwidth limiting
- WAN load balancing
- DHCP client
- ECMP - Equal-cost multi-path routing
- Role-based access control
- GRE and IP-in-IP tunnels
- PPPoE ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20375611 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:18:51 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374578 daboom : Guzpas I was refering to any other providor NON dsl like cable/wireless for load balancing and reduancy.
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said by JayMan

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I don't see it as a better option, just another option.

i'd probably be more interested in mlppp for the reasons gus said above.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374467 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:52:59 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374454 JayMan : I don't see it as a better option, just another option.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374454 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:51:43 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374439 Guspaz : I'm not being a killjoy. Only saying that MLPPP is a better option, and probably not that difficult for you to set up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374439 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:49:02 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374431 JayMan : Guspaz stop being such a killjoy. Until you get a plug and play system setup for MLPPP, I will keep using my load balancing which works perfectly fine for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374431 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:47:21 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374410 Guspaz : No, any provider isn't an advantage if you have two DSL lines from the same company like he does.

The only advantage is that it's redundant. The question is, then, does MLPPP drop 50% of the packets if one of the two connections dies? If not, then that's not an advantage either.

On top of that, MLPPP provides other advantages; it's real bonding, so it works perfectly with all applications, even single connections. It also provides lower latency. And TekSavvy will combine you into one 400GB account instead of two 200GB accounts. If your load balancing setup is not perfectly 50%, you're going to lose out on a bit of bandwidth per month. If you have a 55/45 split on the two connections (perhaps you download a big file over HTTP), you won't be able to user anything close to 400GB/mth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374410 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:42:52 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374373 gi1010 :

said by JayMan

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gord just remember my setup is NOT MLPPP

PFsense is just round robining my connections over 2 lines.

Open IE once get 1 IP, Open it again get the 2nd IP, Open it a 3rd time and I should be back on IP 1

With PFsense, we don't have a unique WAN IP, sound like not really good.

Is the NewsHosting allow multiples IPs from the same account to download, otherwise you will receive the warning email from them very soon.

With Giganews, you might not even connect by using different IP before disconnect the other. So we can't use PFsense with Giganews.

However, currently only UseNetServer doesn't care multiple IPs from the same account to connect/download. You might consider it as an option.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374373 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:37:24 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374236 daboom : He showed them.

Nevermind the fact that you can use any providor ie cable etc to do this. ie redundant instant backup for the inet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374236 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:12:48 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374215 Guspaz :

said by JayMan

said by Guspaz

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Why? Why not do a proper setup?

This is a proper setup. Just not in your view.

Fine, then. What advantage does load balancing provide over bonding?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374215 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:09:58 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374189 JayMan :

said by Guspaz

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Why? Why not do a proper setup?

This is a proper setup. Just not in your view.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374189 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:04:48 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374123 gord27 :

said by daboom

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Keep in mind God27 the specs Jayman gave aren't all needed ie the 512MB of ram and 9 GB HD. PfSense runs on a min 128 MB and could easly fit on a compact flash/or similar device. I use a old 800 Meg HD myself.

i've got much better computers sitting around with nothing to do so that's not really an issue but thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374123 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:53:08 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374059 daboom : Keep in mind God27 the specs Jayman gave aren't all needed ie the 512MB of ram and 9 GB HD. PfSense runs on a min 128 MB and could easly fit on a compact flash/or similar device. I use a old 800 Meg HD myself.
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Come join us on EFNET irc.dks.ca #teksavvy for live chat :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20374059 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:43:13 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373997 Guspaz : Why? Why not do a proper setup?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373997 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:33:30 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373954 JayMan : gord just remember my setup is NOT MLPPP

PFsense is just round robining my connections over 2 lines.

Open IE once get 1 IP, Open it again get the 2nd IP, Open it a 3rd time and I should be back on IP 1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373954 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:25:20 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373927 gord27 : thx guys. answered all my questions. where do i sign up? :D

tsi should offer this as a package. pre-config'd machines plus two dsl feeds for x dollars.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373927 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:20:03 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373910 JayMan : Hardware: 1 computer to run PFsense on (or Vmware) I use a P3 500mhz machine with 512 Ram(I had spare ram) and a 9 gig HD.
3 NIC's LAN, WAN, WAN2
2 DSL Modems (or more if you want to do more)

Cost from Teksavvy: Two DSL Lines.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373910 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:17:11 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373897 Guspaz : In a proper MLPPP config, the latency is at worse the same and at best slightly lower (due to splitting packets).

Allow me to provide ballpark calculations: with 800kbit upstream sync, and something like ~700kbit maximum IP transfer speed (before overhead of TCP or IP), it would take about 17ms to send a 1500 byte packet over your DSL line. By this I mean to your first hop, this ignores all the latency of the actual internet.

MLPPP splits that, so ignoring all extra overhead, you'd save about 8ms on a full packet by using MLPPP with packet splitting.

You'd save a bit too if packets were split on the downstream, but TSI doesn't do that.

So, my ballpark calculations say MLPPP is at worst the same, at best 8ms less on a full packet. Games, of course, don't send full packets, actual benefits are likely lower.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373897 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:15:04 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373869 gord27 : jayman, that's pretty nice. i'm in the same boat as you stuck at 3meg. can you give me a rough estimate on what it would all cost to set up? i'm looking for initial hardware plus monthly tsi bill. also, what's the added latency, if any? i'm a gamer so that's an important concern of mine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373869 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:08:59 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373681 Guspaz :

said by Mersault

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You can only MLPPP DSL lines that use PPPoE.

VPS at 151 and you can use PPTP with MLPPP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373681 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:35:25 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373635 Mersault : You can only MLPPP DSL lines that use PPPoE.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373635 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:27:55 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373585 anon : i should get two dsl lines, and like 4 or 5 cable lines, and like mlppp them all together!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373585 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:16:50 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373289 theninjasqua : Nice, how much did it cost to get that all done?
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-theninjasquad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373289 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:14:13 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373277 Guspaz : I maxed out at 10.5 MB/s on a torrent from a private tracker at LAN ETS, where they had a 150mbit fibre connection just for the lan.

At those speeds, uTorrent was rather taxing on the laptop, and consumed quite a bit of memory for the disk cache.

Some advantages of MLPPP over load balancing: Better compatibility with all applications, speed benefits in single-stream scenarios (HTTP download, for example), potentially lower latency.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373277 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:12:27 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372769 TSI Gabe : I've downloaded FreeBSD torrents here from the office at over 5MB/s
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TSI Gabe - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372769 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:28:42 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372630 beamer69 :

said by JayMan

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The nice thing with the load balancing is you can't use different ISP's One Cable one DSL etc..

Mistype there? Sure you mean can not can't use different ISP's.

That makes sense as to why you said if a line goes down you can still use the other.

Still rather have MLPPP and work out the sync rates.

Thanks for the advice JayMan :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372630 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:28:30 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372594 JayMan : The nice thing with the load balancing is you can use different ISP's One Cable one DSL etc...

And from what I understand with MLPPP you need to have the same sync rates on both lines for it to work. That doesn't happen with the load balancing.

Edit: Typo correction, I was half asleep.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372594 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:41:30 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372593 beamer69 : I would be willing to pay a fairly high price for two 6/1 connections unthrottled.

I would want them joined so they were one line that was 12/2 and I think that is how mlppp makes it work but am not sure.

You would get 400 gigs bandwith per month and a very nice upload/download speed (well unless you are in Bell throttle land then it would suck) :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372593 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:39:05 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372581 JayMan : I'm not sure what my final bill will be with teksavvy after all this but I expect it to be less then it would cost to go with cogeco

And if I can bribe rocky is into getting rid of that pecky band rate. :-p/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372581 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:24:50 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372577 beamer69 : Jayman,

Looks good. However don't know I need that much speed and I would be more interested in going the route of mlppp. Have read many threads on it but it is still over my head how to set it up.

However now I have dumped my land line and my cable line the cost to setup two lines with TSI really is not that expensive compared to what I was spending.

Would be nice to have too 6/1 lines out west in Telus land where there is no throttling yet :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372577 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:16:00 EDT Re: 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372574 JayMan : Adding one more pic. Downloading Ubuntu Torrent.

I didn't think BT would handle this but I was wrong.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372574 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:10:13 EDT 2 Lines + Pfsense Load Balancing = Whoot! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20372562 JayMan : Ok so I got a dryline installed today. Both lines only sync at 3mbit down and 800kbit up.

Tonight I setup Load Balancing on PFsense and I may not even need MLPPP.

The test was a 9gig file from usenet running on 8 threads.
The top photo is of a my realtime bandwidth monitors. The top graph is my "Wet Line" DSL which I run all my servers etc... off of with static IP's etc..

The 2nd graph is the new dryline and both are maxed out.

As you can see I am able to max out both lines when downloading from usenet.

I tried BT tonight about 3:30am downloading a copy of SUSE 10.3. I didn't think it would work but at one point I was going about 450k/sec. The wet line was taking most of the beating. But the nice thing is even with a BT download going I could still come on DSLReports without any lag in surfing.

Now with PFSense it will Round Robin the connections unless you setup rules not too.

The 3rd image is the rules in PFSense. Have it setup to send all my SMTP traffic, DNS Traffic and my audio feed across the "Wet Line" anything that does not match those rules are round robined.

I don't think I will even do mlppp now since this seems to work quite well for me. Also gives me failover protection. 1 line fails I just keep going on the other.

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