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Re: Anti-competitive
said by amigo_boy  :If Bell is throttling the bandwidth they retail That's the thing. They don't.
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| said by InMontreal :said by amigo_boy :If Bell is throttling the bandwidth they retail That's the thing. They don't. That's not what Karl's editorial says. "prevents competitors from offering a superior product to Bell's throttled Sympatico service." That's why it didn't sound "anti-competitive."
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| said by amigo_boy :said by InMontreal :said by amigo_boy :If Bell is throttling the bandwidth they retail That's the thing. They don't. That's not what Karl's editorial says. "prevents competitors from offering a superior product to Bell's throttled Sympatico service." That's why it didn't sound "anti-competitive." Mark A superior product would be a product that is not throttled. Not sure how the dots aren't connecting on this for you.
Here:
Unthrottled Internet > Throttled Internet
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adisor19
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said by InMontreal :said by amigo_boy :If Bell is throttling the bandwidth they retail That's the thing. They don't. Umm, ya they do. Sympatico is throttled. That's their "retail".
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said by amigo_boy :said by InMontreal :said by amigo_boy :If Bell is throttling the bandwidth they retail That's the thing. They don't. That's not what Karl's editorial says. "prevents competitors from offering a superior product to Bell's throttled Sympatico service." That's why it didn't sound "anti-competitive." Mark Umm, what exactly is not clear here ? Bell Sympatico service is throttled. This is bad. Their wholesale service was not untill recently when Bell decided to throttle it because they saw their Sympatico client close their accounts and move to third party ISPs. Those 3rd party ISPs are no throttled so their service is as bad as Sympatico.
Do you see now the anti-competitive and hair raising move by Bell ?
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said by amigo_boy :That's not what Karl's editorial says. "prevents competitors from offering a superior product to Bell's throttled Sympatico service." That's why it didn't sound "anti-competitive." Ok think of it like this. Let's say the only grocery store in town is a small, run down dump with high prices, bad service, and poor selection.
You decide you're going to open a much better store in town. Modern, spacious, well lit, huge selection, good prices, friendly service. That's called competition.
So you do it...
... but then your competitors at the old Sleazy-Mart use their influence and power at Town Hall to pass a law that says your store has to be the same exact size, design, carry the same products, and have the same service as theirs. You don't want to, but you have to because they control the laws.
That would be anti-competitive, and while an analogy, it sorta fits what bell is doing to the wholesalers.
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Other ISPs in Bell's service area (Videotron's cable service in Quebec) are not throttled.
Bell is, in effect, preventing wholesalers from effectively competing with unthrottled providers like Videotron.
This is similar to a big store selling stuff below cost to drive other smaller stores out of business.
Bell introduces throttling, Videotron doesn't. Bell loses a few customers, but they have many and can afford it. Also, they lose mostly the less profitable customers. Bell survives.
The wholesalers, though, they're small. They can't really afford to lose many customers, and their core user base tends to be much more affected by the throttling. They can't afford to take the hit, and go bankrupt.
End result? Even though Bell is throttling their own customers, Bell drives the wholesalers out of business by offering them up to the wolves (Videotron). Unable to effectively compete in the marketplace, and unable to take the hit of lost business due to their size and different customer demographic, the wholesalers tank!
If all ISPs throttled, this would not be the case. But since some major ISPs do not throttle, Bell is preventing the wholesalers from competing against non-throttled ISPs. That is anti-competitive. |
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