Re: The children in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20380254 en Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:18:50 EDT Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:18:50 EDT Re: The children http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20381659 RR206 : "You think I give a fuck how dumb your children are?" -GC

I have children and stand by the above statement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20381659 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:38:26 EDT Re: The children http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20380837 swhx7 :
said by tomkb See Profile :

Why does anyone need this info? What value does it have? Terrorists aren't about to send their emails un-encrypted right?

Well, some of them probably do. And it's fine with me if law enforcement looks at emails of people suspected of being terrorists - if the police get a warrant, and the warrant is based on real evidence that the person has committed a crime. This is what the 4th Amendment requires, and parts of the Bush administration should be prosecuted for violating it (among other things).

Interception of email is analogous to conventional wiretapping - email is person-to-person communication and is good evidence of what they're up to.

The Web is different. The appropriate analogy in the pre-internet world is records of what books a person has checked out at the library or bought at a bookstore. And this is not appropriate for use as evidence.

Does looking at a pro-jihad website tend to show the person is a terrorist? Of course not. By that reasoning, I would be a communist because I read Marx, and a capitalist because I read Mises, and a doctor if I read JAMA, and an fool if I read supermarket tabloids - yeah, what a sensible form of reasoning (not).

So what is the point, then? It should be obvious what mass internet surveillance is good for. The purposes it can serve include:

    •government harrassment of dissenters
    •embarrassment of critics
    •discouragement of reading "alternative" news sources
    •snooping on political candidates
    •data-mining for popular opinion to better tailor propaganda
    •etc.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20380837 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:18:41 EDT Re: The children http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20380360 Techie714 :
said by Gogo1 See Profile :

We must think of them.
Something else I'm getting tired of in this country is all this stupid talk
I have to listen to about children. That's all you hear about anymore,
children: "Help the children, save the children, protect the children." You
know what I say? Fuck the children! -George Carlin ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20380360 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:52:20 EDT Re: The children http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20380254 tomkb : Why does anyone need this info? What value does it have? Terrorists aren't about to send their emails un-encrypted right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20380254 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:31:46 EDT The children http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20378997 Gogo1 : We must think of them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20378997 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:40:39 EDT