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GOLFnSUN
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 Dem contributing trial lawyers & election politics holdup

This:
»www.news.com/8301-10784_3-992714···nefd.top
"More than 66 days have passed since House Democrats allowed a key piece of terrorist surveillance legislation to expire--not because they had concerns with the bill, but because they were seemingly more concerned that not enough trial lawyers would be able to file enough expensive and frivolous lawsuits against U.S. telecom firms,"
and election year politics is why the US House Dem leadership has refused to allow this to come to a vote.

If a vote is held, bypassing the House Dem leaders blocking attempts, it most likely will pass. As it should.

The discharge petition has already been signed by 176 Congressmen as I post this.
»clerk.house.gov/110/lrc/pd/petit···Dis7.htm
All they need is 50% +1 of the 431 members of the House(4 seats are empty due to deaths and resignations). That is 217 signatures and not 218 as was mentioned in the news item.

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get outta here with your republican crap. that bill should be buried


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Agreed... I typically follow the republican ideas but this one is pure BS. They should be held accountable and fined for each item that was given illegally to the govt.


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If they didn't do anything wrong then they shouldn't have anything to worry about. They should not be offered immunity and rewarded if what they did was wrong and they knew what they were doing was wrong. They have enough lawyers and are under enough regulations to know if what they did was kosher or not. It should not be about what party you are in or how you feel about spying and the war. We are a country governed by laws. There should not be a set of laws for one class or for one type of organization. It should be an even playing field and the same rules should be applied to everyone regardless of class, size, political leaning, or anything else. If they chose to ignore or bend the rules for someone then screw them now they can suffer the consonances.
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said by boognish See Profile :

If they didn't do anything wrong then they shouldn't have anything to worry about. They should not be offered immunity and rewarded if what they did was wrong and they knew what they were doing was wrong. They have enough lawyers and are under enough regulations to know if what they did was kosher or not. It should not be about what party you are in or how you feel about spying and the war. We are a country governed by laws. There should not be a set of laws for one class or for one type of organization. It should be an even playing field and the same rules should be applied to everyone regardless of class, size, political leaning, or anything else. If they chose to ignore or bend the rules for someone then screw them now they can suffer the consonances.
Well, I live in the real world and not in the fantasy land you apparently think we should live in. You are ignoring the "Golden Rule" - those who have the gold rule. That rule has controlled the world for thousands of years and nothing I have ever seen in governance around the world is going to change it.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.


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You are part of the cause of all of this if that is your attitude. The reason for that is because you sit back and let them get away with these things and refuse to try to change the ways when you actually have the power to do so.


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You are part of the cause of all of this if that is your attitude. The reason for that is because you sit back and let them get away with these things and refuse to try to change the ways when you actually have the power to do so.
I think you miss the point. I am on the side of those who rule - not on the side of the "great unwashed" masses.
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If history has shown anything in the real world those that have the gold have to watch how they rule or the peasants revolt at some point.
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Totally agree, lets the courts review the case and make a decision based on the merits.


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If history has shown anything in the real world those that have the gold have to watch how they rule or the peasants revolt at some point.
All that does is switch around temporarily who are the lucky few with the money. A few unlucky ones lose their money and maybe their lives. But historically, even in "communist" societies, the rich win out and still control things.
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everyone should note that you Mr. America are in favor of corporations violating the Constitution, breaking the law. they broke the law and should be punished, period. what don't you understand about this? they broke the law and it is a known fact... the telecoms were handing this information over before 9 11 and it did nothing to stop 9 11. they were spying on ordinary citizens who differed in their politics. they broke the law.


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and in your posts you sound like a communist.


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and in your posts you sound like a communist.
I think you need to read up on definitions of communist and capitalist.


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No we didn't miss the point. We get it. You think it is perfectly legal for someone to go into someone else's house, steal their wallet and get away with it... Good point you make there.


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I think you need to read up on definitions of communist and capitalist.
And I think you need to read up on the definitions of capitalists and "criminal behavior"

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Do you feel it is unnecessary to determine if the companies violated the constitution? We do not even know what they need immunity for yet, if anything, as the cases are still ongoing and it is worth knowing what they did before we just give them immunity.


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We're republicans darnit! We follow the party line and do they say because if we don't the democrats, I mean terrorists, win!


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Do you feel it is unnecessary to determine if the companies violated the constitution? We do not even know what they need immunity for yet, if anything, as the cases are still ongoing and it is worth knowing what they did before we just give them immunity.
The companies followed requests of the government to defend the nation. No different than our soldiers in Iraq do in following the orders of the government, even though some(not me) consider our actions their criminal.

Should we jail all our returning soldiers for obeying the orders of the government that sent them there? Because you are saying that telecom employees should be penalized for following government requests for info.
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And what did AT&T steal from you by tapping foreign phone calls traversing the US or where 1 end terminates in a foreign country?
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