RangerTX
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Re: All acquited
said by roc5955  :Welcome to the Police States of America, where cops can think that someone has a gun, and pump them full of lead, and get away with murder! If an officer thinks he/she sees a gun what do you want them to do? Stop, make sure they really see a gun before shooting? I am usually anti-cops but in this case, cops had justification to shoot if one of them thought they see a gun. |
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roc5955
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| said by RangerTX :If an officer thinks he/she sees a gun what do you want them to do? Stop, make sure they really see a gun before shooting? I am usually anti-cops but in this case, cops had justification to shoot if one of them thought they see a gun. Shoot to disable, not to kill. Besides, 50 shots, would have probably killed a mastodon. Stopping to change clips proves to me that the officer was in the wrong, and panicked unnecessarily, IMNSHO.
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RangerTX
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| said by roc5955 :said by RangerTX :If an officer thinks he/she sees a gun what do you want them to do? Stop, make sure they really see a gun before shooting? I am usually anti-cops but in this case, cops had justification to shoot if one of them thought they see a gun. Shoot to disable, not to kill. Besides, 50 shots, would have probably killed a mastodon. Stopping to change clips proves to me that the officer was in the wrong, and panicked unnecessarily, IMNSHO. An officer is trained, to shoot to kill. You shoot 3 bullets and reevaluate the situation. They got little trigger happy but it don't change the fact that they thought they seen a gun. |
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said by roc5955 :said by RangerTX :If an officer thinks he/she sees a gun what do you want them to do? Stop, make sure they really see a gun before shooting? I am usually anti-cops but in this case, cops had justification to shoot if one of them thought they see a gun. Shoot to disable, not to kill. Besides, 50 shots, would have probably killed a mastodon. Stopping to change clips proves to me that the officer was in the wrong, and panicked unnecessarily, IMNSHO. "panicked unnecessarily" Is that criminal now?
said by Judge Cooperman's verdict :
The police response with respect to each defendant was not proved to be
criminal, i.e. beyond a reasonable doubt. Questions of carelessness and
incompetence must be left to other forums.
»graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/p···ICT3.pdf |
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roc5955
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| If it isn't illegal for a police officer to panic unnecessarily, than it should be grounds for said officer's dismissal.
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Pathfinder
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Mount Vernon, NY | That may well be but it doesn't warrant conviction on a criminal charge. We'll see what a civil jury decides.
I also believe the Federal govt is looking at civil rights violations. |
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said by roc5955 :said by RangerTX :If an officer thinks he/she sees a gun what do you want them to do? Stop, make sure they really see a gun before shooting? I am usually anti-cops but in this case, cops had justification to shoot if one of them thought they see a gun. Shoot to disable, not to kill. Besides, 50 shots, would have probably killed a mastodon. Stopping to change clips proves to me that the officer was in the wrong, and panicked unnecessarily, IMNSHO. I like your logic, but it's my understanding that police officers, etc. are not trained to shoot to wound. If the gun comes out, it's taught to be used effectively to kill. That's my understanding, but I could be wrong. Only one retired cop in the family, so no one I can ask. I think there is a police officer or two on this site, and may be some FBI agents that could logout and post as anon. 
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said by roc5955 :clips magazines...They weren't using M1 Garands |
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a333
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shoot 50 times? NO crime/accused crime can warrant that. |
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| I think the prosecution had idiots for lawyers or al sharpton is an idiot for not having his leagal team prepare them better.
I keep reading what they said on the stand and I have to say if I was on the Jury I probably would of sided with the cops too. |
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It was a shoot out. Would you fire one bullet and check to see if they stopped? If someone was shooting at me I would return the favor and fire a few clips till I was sure he was either dead or unable to shoot back.
It is sad and he didn't deserve it, but if you read through the testimony it leans to the cops.
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said by roc5955 :If it isn't illegal for a police officer to panic unnecessarily, than it should be grounds for said officer's dismissal. See, I think they did panic. And yes, I think they should be fired... but to try them in a criminal court means you have to prove motive, which is lacking.
It's a tragedy for everyone really. And the political grandstanding WILL NOT HELP.
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said by HardwareGeek :I think the prosecution had idiots for lawyers or al sharpton is an idiot for not having his leagal team prepare them better. I keep reading what they said on the stand and I have to say if I was on the Jury I probably would of sided with the cops too. There wasn't any jury...The officers defense attorneys used a common tactic when police officers are on trial and that is they waive their right to a jury trial and it is then tried in front of the judge who makes the decision on guilt or not.
Works in cops favor often but not always..They do that to take the emotions of a juror out of the trial...The judge is picked so he will just listen and make his decision on the evidence presented and not get emotionally involved like a juror might. ..if the defense happens to get a judge who is cop friendly, then that would be considered a + |
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| said by sailor :said by HardwareGeek :I think the prosecution had idiots for lawyers or al sharpton is an idiot for not having his leagal team prepare them better. I keep reading what they said on the stand and I have to say if I was on the Jury I probably would of sided with the cops too. There wasn't any jury...The officers defense attorneys used a common tactic when police officers are on trial and that is they waive their right to a jury trial and it is then tried in front of the judge who makes the decision on guilt or not. Works in cops favor often but not always..They do that to take the emotions of a juror out of the trial...The judge is picked so he will just listen and make his decision on the evidence presented and not get emotionally involved like a juror might. ..if the defense happens to get a judge who is cop friendly, then that would be considered a + --
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