Ulmo
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| Muslimism vs. other religions
There can already be a case made that we need to adjust our religion laws in USA that cause us to treat all religons similarly. Muslimism, not yet reformed as most other religions have been, is too violent, and needs to be government-regulated more than the other religions.
I believe that a very very careful, explicit, deliberate, intentional and specific decision against certain very specific threats, with a LOT of overchecking, can be used in times of relative emergency. However, I also believe that the path to achieving that is fraught with dangerous loop holes along the way, and that the utmost of mistrust of government process must be considered at every angle, moment, point, level, etc., in any such process. I absolutely implore all paranoid people to include in their monitoring and fighting such acts done in order to stop things such as violent muslimism, while still leaving room for legitimate anti-muslimism and the stopping of muslimism that must be done, as an example.
This isn't a topic for absolutists and idiots, to be sure. |
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ross
join:2000-08-16
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| said by Ulmo  :...Muslimism, not yet reformed as most other religions have been, is too violent, and needs to be government-regulated... I believe that a very very careful, explicit, deliberate, intentional and specific decision against certain very specific threats... I absolutely implore all paranoid people to include in their monitoring and fighting such acts done in order to stop things such as violent muslimism, while still leaving room for legitimate anti-muslimism and the stopping of muslimism that must be done... This isn't a topic for absolutists and idiots, to be sure. Wow! |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
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Most "Christians" are far more violent than most Muslims. Just take a look at the violent crime stats here in the US. Muslims are nowhere near as likely to commit a violent crime as Christians. The problem is the extremists, not the religion. Think of names like Jim Jones or David Koresh (sp?). Muslims as a whole have historically been much more willing to accept other cultures. When the Moors took over Spain they pretty much just integrated into society (lots of intermarrying). Compare that to how the Christians handled the crusades (kill them all and let god sort them out). |
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lg75
join:2003-01-31
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I will tell you one thing. Personally, I'm a non-believer and in my opinion all religions are evil. However, this guy is a totally ignorant to say that Islam is violent. Islam isn't violent. The idiots the make the bombs and kill people, but hide behind Islam are violent.
Honestly, the government has no place in monitoring or regulating religion. They do have the right and the duty to monitor and regulate (and eliminate) extremists. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
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Extremists of all types, whether it be religion, politics, Patriotism, etc, all tend to be bad news. That's really what extremism is... People taking things to the extreme. |
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nemo1966
join:2005-11-15
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The guy has it spot on, Islam is an Evil violent religion. It is much like Nazism in it's ideals and goals e.g. to kill anyone who does not fall in line with its ideas (yes us Infidels)
Take the picture above.... burning effigies of the pope in the street, burning embasses because someone drew a cartoon, sentencing someone to death/prison for calling a teddy bear Mohammed.
I and that isn't the fanatics its the normal Islamic people.
The next World War will be fought between Islam and the rest of the World! ... and people wonder why the US is trying to stop Iran getting nuclear capabilties???????
I can see it now.... 20 years from now as the first bomb drops.... all the do-gooders in a room saying.. "well I didn't see that one coming"
Islam is an extremist religion by it's very definition.
"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Emperor Manuel II Paleologos
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nemo1966
join:2005-11-15
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said by Lazlow :Most "Christians" are far more violent than most Muslims. Nope....... "WERE". Christians have had a violent past but that has changed dramitically in the last 100 years. The World has matured to a great extent and religion does not control the people of the "West" like it used to. Religion is no longer used as a tool of war by Christians.
Unfortunately Islam is a backward religion that holds onto archaic values, using those values to bully it's way through the World!
Bullies need to be stopped and the best way to stop a bully is hit them harder than they hit you!
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nemo1966
join:2005-11-15
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said by KrK :Extremists of all types, whether it be religion, politics, Patriotism, etc, all tend to be bad news. That's really what extremism is... People taking things to the extreme. Islam is extremist by its very definition, akin to nazism.
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
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I sure have hated it, all the years I went to school with Muslims and all the Muslims I have worked with for the last 12 years. They have all tried to kill me. They are so evil!
Don't be so ridiculous. Of course there are Muslim countries run by tyrants, I would never doubt that. But there are tyrants that are Catholics in South America and the Caribbean.
But the religious books are open to interpretation by good and evil alike. The Koran says a lot of things, but so does the Bible. It's up to the person reading it to his flock on how far they're willing to take it. And by taking it to the extreme, that's where the word extremism comes from. Islam is only as extreme as its worst follower. Just because you don't know of Christians that follow the Bible to the extreme doesn't mean they don't exist. Just look at the recent Polygamy camp raid in Texas, you couldn't have missed that. That is called taking your religion to the extreme.
All the Muslims I have ever known love the U.S., love their job, never had a bad thing to say about anyone. The only reason you would know they are Muslim is because they make sure they don't eat pork or where they were born. I've never once had a Muslim try to force his religion onto me, and have had plenty of Christians try to force their religion onto me.
And you can tell the "extreme" Christians easily, they're the ones that believe all Muslims are terrorists and that they should all be killed or shipped out of the country. Stupidity breeds extremism, but smart people start it. Bin Laden is not stupid, neither are many of the tyrant Muslim rulers or imams. But they certainly can rile up stupid people to do what they want. The same is true for evangelical Christian ministers. It wouldn't be too far fetched to have one that calls his followers to violence.
But I don't think that will happen, because of the major difference. Most Christian followers do not live in abject poverty. They live relatively comfortable lives compared to Muslim followers in countries that are still sometimes stuck in the 16th century. It's easier to rile people into violence if they have nothing to lose and probably nothing to gain. And the rich and smart rulers sit back and live comfortably, having the stupid ones do their bidding in the guise of religion.
But to single the entire Islam religion out as extremist just because of what it says in their holy book and what a few of the people in power choose to do is ridiculous. Especially when you read the text of the Bible and of the Koran and see they aren't that much different. |
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MoeDumb
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said by Lazlow :Most "Christians" are far more violent than most Muslims.... Compare that to how the Christians handled the crusades (kill them all and let god sort them out). Evidently you don't know the difference between Christians and Roman Catholics.
And it's God, not god.
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Kearnstd
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join:2002-01-22
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the Muslim religion as itself is peaceful, problem is so many who practice it arent. however they arent alone, afterall here in the US you have the Christian extremists who like to kill abortion doctors and blow up the clinics, or blame gays on the iraq war and protest the funerals of our fallen.
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | reply to MoeDumb
MoeDumb
It is god when it is some nutbar killing people. My God is not about killing people.
There are plenty of examples of non catholic christians doing killing in the name of god. See above for some examples. |
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fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA
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said by MoeDumb :Evidently you don't know the difference between Christians and Roman Catholics. And it's God, not god. You all look alike to me, one religionist is no different from another, and I have no deference to your or anyone else's god, so I'll write it as I see fit. |
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
Akron, OH
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said by nemo1966 :said by Lazlow :Most "Christians" are far more violent than most Muslims. Nope....... "WERE". Christians have had a violent past but that has changed dramitically in the last 100 years. The World has matured to a great extent and religion does not control the people of the "West" like it used to. Religion is no longer used as a tool of war by Christians. Unfortunately Islam is a backward religion that holds onto archaic values, using those values to bully it's way through the World! Bullies need to be stopped and the best way to stop a bully is hit them harder than they hit you! have you paid attention at all over the past few years? we have a CHRISTIAN-elected president committing WAR CRIMES. any religion that allows that is evil by definition. you think hitler didn't attend church?
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
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said by smcallah :All the Muslims I have ever known love the U.S., love their job, never had a bad thing to say about anyone. The only reason you would know they are Muslim is because they make sure they don't eat pork or where they were born. I've never once had a Muslim try to force his religion onto me, and have had plenty of Christians try to force their religion onto me. And where are these moderate Muslims speaking out against their their radical brothers? Ooooops, can't find any?
Until they march in the streets calling for their radical brothers and sisters to sit down and shut up, I will take their silence as quiet acceptance of hate and violence. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
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said by kba4 :have you paid attention at all over the past few years? we have a CHRISTIAN-elected president committing WAR CRIMES. any religion that allows that is evil by definition. you think hitler didn't attend church? Hitler worked with the Grand Mufti during WWII. 
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
Akron, OH | I'd imagine that just as today's war-leaders do, he was simply making friends in a lot of high places.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
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| said by kba4 :I'd imagine that just as today's war-leaders do, he was simply making friends in a lot of high places. You simply don't get it, do you?
The President is not committing war crimes and even if he was, he is not doing it in the name of religion unlike Iran is. You don't see the Pope calling for jihad, do you?
Even Hitler was more into German mysticism than any other religion. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
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Moonpuppy
Actually I have seen quite a few Muslims call for peace. The problem is that a quiet peaceful man calling for peace does not get the news coverage that a nutbar screaming for war does. I think you vastly underestimate the number of Muslims around the world. There are more Muslims in the Netherlands than their are Dutch. Yet we do not hear about massive Muslim "problems" in the Netherlands.
Just for the record I am not (nor have I ever been) Muslim. |
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
Akron, OH
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| reply to moonpuppy
lying to congress is a crime
imprisonment without a trial is a crime
killing human beings is a crime
the pope doesn't need to call for a jihad, he knows better. just like the other christian-based religious nuts, his extremist-followers are certain that they are doing god's work and will do anything to bring about the end-times. there's sick people in all religions. look at the people who kill doctors and bomb abortion clinics. these same people label themselves 'pro-life' yet cheer a war that causes the death of countless innocent civilians.
religion and politics are separate things; when one becomes too much of the other is when bad things happen. what if we all found out one day that religion is a bunch of nonsense designed to make us feel good about pursuing the agenda of its leaders? it's been said that if it weren't for organized religion there'd be a lot more legally insane members of society. and i'd have to agree with mr. george carlin on the state of society in general: we're barely out of the jungle.
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