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Re: Gas prices We are going toward $4+ gas. That's what.
Funny part is that there are no small displacement cars to drive, unless you want a new one.
I commute 60 miles every day... |
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League City, TX | Whats funny is a few years ago they found the biggest oil deposit ever in the Gulf of Mexico and now you hear nothing of it. I wonder why.. 
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said by mcmillan:We are going toward $4+ gas. That's what. Funny part is that there are no small displacement cars to drive, unless you want a new one. Plenty of used Honda Civics around with stick shift that get over 40 MPG.
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| said by mcmillan:I mean SMALL. 800 ccm +/- Well, if you want small, you may have to settle for something like this 
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Valencia, CA | reply to fAcEtIOUs
Gotta make a Biodiesel version.
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Rialto, CA | reply to mcmillan
The last time I had a car with an engine that small was in Japan in 1968 and it was a Honda S600. I really liked that car, but it wasn't something I could bring back with me. It had four carbs for four cylinders and they had to be individually tuned. Not only that, but it was right-hand drive. |
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said by MysticGogeta:Whats funny is a few years ago they found the biggest oil deposit ever in the Gulf of Mexico and now you hear nothing of it. I wonder why.. That's because they keep selling you on that this is a supply problem or an Oil Shortage. (IE "We need to Drill Arctic Refuge" for example...) It isn't. There's not an oil shortage at the moment. What there is is carefully managed FUEL supply, ie the refiners and suppliers keep supplies of refined products tight, as this promotes high prices and fat profits. (Which their quarterly earnings reports clearly show, they are making insane money.)
Add this to very stupid energy policy and you have today's situation. Take the ethanol joke (on us!). The argument goes like this:
"Let's put ethanol in gas. We'll use less gas, so we'll need less oil. Prices drop."
OK. Reality check. It takes MORE energy to make a gallon of ethanol then you get back when you burn it... So this actually INCREASES energy usage. 2nd: Ethanol can't be transmitted in the fuel down pipelines like gasoline is, so you have truckloads of ethanol running back and forth like mad so they can add the ethanol to the fuel at the distribution centers before it goes to the stations. All this extra work and expense INCREASES the price per gallon of gasoline with ethanol fuel over just plain gasoline. Plus you get a little less mileage from your vehicle, so you burn a little bit more fuel overall to go the same distance.
Really, the whole thing is a joke, a really bad one.... on us. Oh and let's not forget the Government subsidies to huge agri business to build and operate these ethanol plants.... PLUS the corn they are diverting to ethanol production has driven the price of corn (and as a result, cattle feed up 40%...) which results in meat prices increasing, too.
It's all classic examples of a simple idea with bad science behind it. |
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Only Mexican companies can drill for it. The enviors and congress shut down new dilling in the us. |
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No shit.
We'll be the first country in the history of mankind to burn our own food supply just to get to soccer practice.
Ethanol is going to end up being a disaster on a global scale. People will end up starving to death over this boondoggle.
I'm not looking to bash anyone in particular, but our government is really f-ed up at this point.
That's all of them. Democrat, Republican, etc. All of them. No one seems to have the best interests of the people in mind anymore. It's all about bringing home the pork and staying in office.
As Nero fiddles, Rome burns.
I fear we are witnessing the end of the great experiment that is the USA.
Oh well, it lasted a lot longer than the dudes who set it up thought it would...
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| Ethanol is a huge cash cow for agri-business, but economically, it blows for the rest of us.
Our energy policy is so weak. We waste huge amounts, we're weak on conservation, and we're weak on renew-ables, too.
One thing that may come out of these high energy prices (along with the pain and suffering of the consumer) is we *may* actually get other sensible energy technologies moving in a big way... and we may also get much more energy efficient vehicles.... But will we crash our economy first. Signs point to yes, unfortunately.
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Erie, PA | reply to KrK
said by KrK:That's because they keep selling you on that this is a supply problem or an Oil Shortage. (IE "We need to Drill Arctic Refuge" for example...) It isn't. You can keep believing that but the reality exists that both China and India have been using more and more oil daily and the supply effectively hasn't increased, and the USA's own use of gasoline has increased as well yet we haven't allowed a refinery refinery to be built in forever. It's likely to get worse in the near future as Mexico's supply reduces to a trickle.
We need to begin using our own resources if for no other reason than to make it so we can't be jerked around as easily (such as I suspect is happening with Mexico). I fear the privilege to whine about the caribou and the scenery ran out 10 years ago and now we're going to pay for it.
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| Yes, those are true statements... However, there is still not a shortage of oil at the moment. Did you know that we actually have been exporting fuel to Europe and Asia because it's more profitable? Did you know that Oil tankers full of oil often wait for MONTHS parked offshore to dock at the port and offload? (for timing reasons, not due to traffic etc)
Check this out:
January 2008, we exported:
364,000 barrels of crude oil.
4,095,000 barrels of gasoline
1,900,000 barrels of kerosene
10,398,000 barrels of Fuel Oil
Plus tons of byproducts, natural gas products, other petrochemicals, etc etc yadda yadda.
Why did we do that if we have such a shortage? Because we don't really, and they got a higher price from overseas buyers....
Almost all the oil refining and distribution in the USA is now in the hands of just a few, giant players. They can control the supply, and keep stocks tight for economic gain without actually running out of fuel which would cost them money and cause panic.
As for domestic oil production, it's surging. At $120 a barrel those old slow wells are now goldmines again. The boom is apparent. Lots of people with old oil leases or mineral rights are really getting a windfall atm.
As for the refineries, they aren't trying to build new ones... increasing the supply of refined fuels would drive the price down. In fact they actively shutdown old facilities or idle them, even now.... However, they are expanding and modernizing many facilities as well... the oil industry is experiencing a massive boom in construction and expansion at the moment, driven by the record profits.
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League City, TX | reply to KrK
We need to have a President (Could careless who) to stand up and do something about this VERY weak energy policy. Perhaps go as far as investing hundreds of billions of dollars into Hydrogen and/or Biofuel and just go all out because were so far behind in development. It makes me sick hearing GM and other company's blab about making alternate energy cars.
I think the worse one is the E85 cars the biggest joke I've ever heard. I've seen a hundred or so with in a year in this area and there are ZERO gas stations that carry it in this area.
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I leased from gm 3 metro's when they were available. Two of em where geo metro and one chevy metro when gm absorbed the geo name. These cars were made by Suzuki and it was their Swift. 50 miles a gallon. 3 cylinders. Small, but were a great getting around town, going to work car. When I had it, I was commuting 60 miles a day and was filling up once a week. That car would be very handy today. I always wondered why Suzuki quit making them. |
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