smcallah
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Re: Muslimism vs. other religions
Riiight...
I sure have hated it, all the years I went to school with Muslims and all the Muslims I have worked with for the last 12 years. They have all tried to kill me. They are so evil!
Don't be so ridiculous. Of course there are Muslim countries run by tyrants, I would never doubt that. But there are tyrants that are Catholics in South America and the Caribbean.
But the religious books are open to interpretation by good and evil alike. The Koran says a lot of things, but so does the Bible. It's up to the person reading it to his flock on how far they're willing to take it. And by taking it to the extreme, that's where the word extremism comes from. Islam is only as extreme as its worst follower. Just because you don't know of Christians that follow the Bible to the extreme doesn't mean they don't exist. Just look at the recent Polygamy camp raid in Texas, you couldn't have missed that. That is called taking your religion to the extreme.
All the Muslims I have ever known love the U.S., love their job, never had a bad thing to say about anyone. The only reason you would know they are Muslim is because they make sure they don't eat pork or where they were born. I've never once had a Muslim try to force his religion onto me, and have had plenty of Christians try to force their religion onto me.
And you can tell the "extreme" Christians easily, they're the ones that believe all Muslims are terrorists and that they should all be killed or shipped out of the country. Stupidity breeds extremism, but smart people start it. Bin Laden is not stupid, neither are many of the tyrant Muslim rulers or imams. But they certainly can rile up stupid people to do what they want. The same is true for evangelical Christian ministers. It wouldn't be too far fetched to have one that calls his followers to violence.
But I don't think that will happen, because of the major difference. Most Christian followers do not live in abject poverty. They live relatively comfortable lives compared to Muslim followers in countries that are still sometimes stuck in the 16th century. It's easier to rile people into violence if they have nothing to lose and probably nothing to gain. And the rich and smart rulers sit back and live comfortably, having the stupid ones do their bidding in the guise of religion.
But to single the entire Islam religion out as extremist just because of what it says in their holy book and what a few of the people in power choose to do is ridiculous. Especially when you read the text of the Bible and of the Koran and see they aren't that much different. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
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| said by smcallah  :All the Muslims I have ever known love the U.S., love their job, never had a bad thing to say about anyone. The only reason you would know they are Muslim is because they make sure they don't eat pork or where they were born. I've never once had a Muslim try to force his religion onto me, and have had plenty of Christians try to force their religion onto me. And where are these moderate Muslims speaking out against their their radical brothers? Ooooops, can't find any?
Until they march in the streets calling for their radical brothers and sisters to sit down and shut up, I will take their silence as quiet acceptance of hate and violence. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
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April 26th, @08:02PM
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Actually I have seen quite a few Muslims call for peace. The problem is that a quiet peaceful man calling for peace does not get the news coverage that a nutbar screaming for war does. I think you vastly underestimate the number of Muslims around the world. There are more Muslims in the Netherlands than their are Dutch. Yet we do not hear about massive Muslim "problems" in the Netherlands.
Just for the record I am not (nor have I ever been) Muslim. |
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moonpuppy
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| said by Lazlow :Moonpuppy Actually I have seen quite a few Muslims call for peace. The problem is that a quiet peaceful man calling for peace does not get the news coverage that a nutbar screaming for war does. I think you vastly underestimate the number of Muslims around the world. There are more Muslims in the Netherlands than their are Dutch. Yet we do not hear about massive Muslim "problems" in the Netherlands. Just for the record I am not (nor have I ever been) Muslim. Really? How about all those in the Netherlands calling for the death of a cartoonist who dared to draw an image of Mohamed? You know, the one with a bomb for a turban?
If the moderate Muslims want respect from the rest of the world, they need to become louder than their radical brothers or sisters. |
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
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| and that will surely happen once the net is censored and a lot of the non-violent muslims are kept silent because of their IP range or name on their account, etc.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
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| said by kba4 :and that will surely happen once the net is censored and a lot of the non-violent muslims are kept silent because of their IP range or name on their account, etc. Who said anything about censoring non-violent muslims? |
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kba4
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| how will you tell the difference when you're censoring things so fast? after all, it's the internet, not an easy to operate media control room. pretty soon most 'extremists' are silenced, but the censors still want a paycheck so they continue to drill down until no one wants to talk.
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moonpuppy
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| said by kba4 :how will you tell the difference when you're censoring things so fast? after all, it's the internet, not an easy to operate media control room. pretty soon most 'extremists' are silenced, but the censors still want a paycheck so they continue to drill down until no one wants to talk. Let's see, when you have a website that shows videos of people being beheaded by a bunch of idiots with towels over their faces, I can assure you they aren't the non-violent type.
If you have an iman calling for the destruction of jews and the west, I don't think he wants to invite them over for tea. |
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
Akron, OH
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April 26th, @08:42PM
| how about when bush claims we're there to set up democracy but then go and cause even more chaos and destruction... that can't be a state dinner!
oh and btw, if the net were to be censored, we'd never see these attrocities from either side, and we'd simply be blissfully ignorant to anything outside our safe news shows. the very fact that we get to see these videos at all should be the argument against net-censorship for this entire news thread. we see it because the internet is the last totally free media outlets we have access to. i don't recall seeing at length anything 'too violent' on tv. we need to see it or no one will even begin to believe it's happening at all. we need to see what 'they' do and what 'we' do, no matter how good or evil we believe it is. |
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moonpuppy
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| said by kba4 :how about when bush claims we're there to set up democracy but then go and cause even more chaos and destruction... that can't be a state dinner! The democracy is trying to start. Who is stopping it? That's right. The radical muslim clerics because muslims do not believe in democracy or free speech when it comes to islam.
said by kba4 :oh and btw, if the net were to be censored, we'd never see these attrocities from either side, and we'd simply be blissfully ignorant to anything outside our safe news shows. the very fact that we get to see these videos at all should be the argument against net-censorship for this entire news thread. we see it because the internet is the last totally free media outlets we have access to. i don't recall seeing at length anything 'too violent' on tv. we need to see it or no one will even begin to believe it's happening at all. we need to see what 'they' do and what 'we' do, no matter how good or evil we believe it is. So you would let your kids see someone being beheaded on TV? That's why TV censors certain thing.
And I am all for censoring hate speech. Be it from the KKK, the Black Panthers, to radical islam. Groups like that need to eradicated. They have no redeeming value and their members are a waste of life. |
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kba4
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| "And I am all for censoring hate speech. Be it from the KKK, the Black Panthers, to radical islam. Groups like that need to eradicated. They have no redeeming value and their members are a waste of life. "
thats a great, peaceful thing to say yourself. ...and you should be allowed to say it. except with censorship you wouldn't be allowed! you may not like what one has to say but if you want to be allowed to express your opinions, then you need to realize it's a basic right we all have.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
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| said by kba4 :"And I am all for censoring hate speech. Be it from the KKK, the Black Panthers, to radical islam. Groups like that need to eradicated. They have no redeeming value and their members are a waste of life. " thats a great, peaceful thing to say yourself. ...and you should be allowed to say it. except with censorship you wouldn't be allowed! you may not like what one has to say but if you want to be allowed to express your opinions, then you need to realize it's a basic right we all have. Actually, I would be allowed to say it. Those groups declared war on other races and they opened the door to retaliation. Their views offer no redeeming value and therefore need to censored and controlled.
You also forget all the legal censorship. Not all speech is protected. |
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
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| "Actually, I would be allowed to say it. Those groups declared war on other races and they opened the door to retaliation. Their views offer no redeeming value and therefore need to censored and controlled.
You also forget all the legal censorship. Not all speech is protected. "
again you're walking a fine line here. perhaps not all speech is protected- that's one interpretation on the books anyway. and perhaps there is 'no redeeming value' but that's your opinion and it too would eventually be censored.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
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| said by kba4 :"Actually, I would be allowed to say it. Those groups declared war on other races and they opened the door to retaliation. Their views offer no redeeming value and therefore need to censored and controlled. You also forget all the legal censorship. Not all speech is protected. " again you're walking a fine line here. perhaps not all speech is protected- that's one interpretation on the books anyway. and perhaps there is 'no redeeming value' but that's your opinion and it too would eventually be censored. It is illegal to call for the overthrow of the government.
It is illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded theater.
Those are 2 examples of speech that is not allowed. That's the law. You don't have to like it, just accept it.
Funny how you defend one religion but rally against another. |
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