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Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20390778 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:20:53 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:20:53 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20398576 footballdude :

said by gatorkram

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Do you really think, in a news item, that talks about five people dieing, that there is room for jokes? I for one think it is in very poor taste.

If falling to your doom isn't funny, then Wyle E Coyote's got some 'splaining to do.
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said by Matt

said by Tzale

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What the hell are you talking about?

How is it fucking funny? Are you sick in your head?

I'm sure you do stupid things everyday that endanger your life... Darwinism is really getting old, don't ya' think? :uhh:

Climbing towers without equipment is stupid... I agree... But saying that someone's death is FUNNY is just horrible.

-Tzale

Wanna make a joke about this?

Year 2008 in Iraq: Jan-40 us soldiers dead
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War is hell and guess the F-what? People die. Even when they ARE well trained. But it sure doesn't make it funny or warrant smart-ass's making jokes about it. Maybe if your brother beat an antenna element he was trying to secure to the ground, you wouldn't be flapping your gums trying to be funny. You might get a little pissed by the true coldness of your remark or justification is said comment. It comes from within so it says a lot about you. And that goes for the rest of you who jumped on the bandwagon. So, hope when one of your kids or parents are killed by a drunk driver, you can come back here and say "oh well, that's the chance you take driving when you can't out maneuver a drunk. It's funny they died because my son or mom needed more "training". :uhh: ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20397746 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:37:04 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20397525 jc100 : A guess and just a guess would be that prevention smells liability. If a worker fails to follow safety protocol and dies, his or her family can sue but most likely would fail or not win big unless they showed serious wrong doing. However, if said company set up these devices (which I doubt would work but let's assume they do) and a worker still died, the company would be facing a huge financial loss. Said family could say the company gave the worker a false sense of security and the device failed to work. Then, they'd be on the offensive stating that it was a backup and not intended to be a failsafe. Hence, I just imagine its cheaper to let the worker fall and write it off as stupidity of human error than to try to take preventative measures.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20397525 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:13:45 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20396097 james : Fact: you're dying right now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20396097 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:53:17 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395364 MichaelWacey : Why not create an inflatable device that wraps around the bottom of the tower? Like a moon bounch. The truck could have an air pump. It probably would not interfere with the work very much. My guess is the companies will not want to take on the additional cost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395364 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:37:36 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20393686 Asmodeus :

said by gatorkram

said by Jerm

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Its not the fall that fatal, it's the sudden stop at the end :P

Do you really think, in a news item, that talks about five people dieing, that there is room for jokes? I for one think it is in very poor taste.

How about this one for a fun fact. 100% of all people that are born will die. Things that make you go hmmm.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20393686 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:17:15 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391185 Tzale :

said by Matt

said by Tzale

The liberal mind. :uhh:
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391185 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:40:20 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391152 Matt :

said by Tzale

I drive a car, I occasionally fly in a plane, but I don't climb mountains or radio towers, wrestle with alligators, or use lions in my Las Vegas show. Why? Because I am not trained to do those things.

I find idiots who do extremely dangerous things without proper training funny. Why do you think so many people watch NASCAR? It's not for the constant left turns.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391152 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:32:09 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391109 Hanko : I agree with the 100% tie off, what is your reaction time to open a chute while falling off. For arguments sake lets say it is 2 seconds, and it takes 2 seconds for the chute to open before it begins to slow you down. Total 4 seconds.

Acceleration due to gravity on the earth averages about 32.23 feet/second/second. A simplified formula for the time it takes to fall is Time = Sq Root of(Distance/16.115)

300' fall = 4.3 seconds ..... still hit at a high rate
500' fall = 5.5 seconds ..... you were going faster - still hit at high rate.
1000' fall = 7.8 seconds ..... good chance you were able to break a few bones but better chance you will not make it.

All of this is because of your reaction time. Base jumpers pop their chute immediately at lower elevations. Working on a tower you have that 2 second delay, if you can find the right ring to pull.

I still opt for better safety practices until they come out with the auto deploying air bag system (like used for the mars rovers to land).

just my 2 cents.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391109 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:21:39 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391034 Tzale :

said by Matt

said by Tzale

said by Sly

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I'm sure he'll remember that the next time he dies in a climbing accident. :uhh: Lighten up.

Then it's even funnier that they climb towers without proper training and equipment. Darwin for the win!

What the hell are you talking about?

How is it fucking funny? Are you sick in your head?

I'm sure you do stupid things everyday that endanger your life... Darwinism is really getting old, don't ya' think? :uhh:

Climbing towers without equipment is stupid... I agree... But saying that someone's death is FUNNY is just horrible.

-Tzale
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said by Tzale

said by Sly

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I'm sure he'll remember that the next time he dies in a climbing accident. :uhh: Lighten up.

Then it's even funnier that they climb towers without proper training and equipment. Darwin for the win!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20390922 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:33:35 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20390778 Sly :

said by Tzale

said by Sly

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I'm sure he'll remember that the next time he dies in a climbing accident. :uhh: Lighten up.

I think it's been 22.3 years since the first climbing accident... Falling off towers is funny now. ;)

/southpark reference]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20390778 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:47:58 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20390691 Tzale :

said by Sly

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I'm sure he'll remember that the next time he dies in a climbing accident. :uhh: Lighten up.

It isn't something to joke about. Plenty of people die every year because of falling off towers... Amateur Radio operators are probably higher in the rate of fatalities due to not having proper training...

-Tzale
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20390691 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:27:03 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20390455 anon : »www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/26/strip.···dex.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20390455 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:15:17 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20390601 jc100 : Well I am not advocating a parachute overtake safety measures in any given way. Hell, these people should be tied to the tower like telephone poll workers do on their way up. However, I was merely saying this should be a back up if humanly possible. Let's face it, even with 100 percent tie off rate, there might be the few times your equipment fails. As for the fall time, your math is a bit wrong. Things fall at a rate of 27 feet per second per second. I suck at math but I'd suffice to say you got a bit longer but not much. Maybe 10 or 15 seconds. Math isn't my top subject so I'll skip trying to work out the formula =). You can do that one to get an actual number. Either way, you don't got long but being tangled up is still better than a sudden and certain death. At least you can have a proper funeral and a slim chance of survival. A 500 foot drop leaves little to none for both.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20390601 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:05:04 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20390070 Seandhi :

said by gatorkram

said by removed

said by gatorkram

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Do you really think, in a news item, that talks about five people dieing, that there is room for jokes?

Absolutely. I chuckled.

I really doubt you did. The joke is almost as old as death itself. Oh wait, now did I make a joke?

Yeah, but it wasn't funny... unlike the original poster's joke, which made me smile.
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said by removed

said by gatorkram

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Do you really think, in a news item, that talks about five people dieing, that there is room for jokes?

Absolutely. I chuckled.

I really doubt you did. The joke is almost as old as death itself. Oh wait, now did I make a joke?
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said by gatorkram

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Do you really think, in a news item, that talks about five people dieing, that there is room for jokes?

Absolutely. I chuckled.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20389331 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:55:50 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20388658 cmaenginsb :

said by jc100

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Well if it were me personally, I'd suffice to say wrapping up or hitting the tower is a much better option than plummeting to your death. I mean depending on the force you hit the tower, it might be fatal or lead to severe injuries. Still, you might just have a few broken bones. It beats the alternative, almost certain death. If base jumpers got Parachutes that can open, Im sure something can be made for these guys.

Wrapping up will only help the coroner who has something with all of the pieces in it, you will die. In most cases the same is true of hitting the tower because it will prevent the chute from deploying properly.

Base jumpers typically jump from 1000' or higher, and are prepared before they fall. Tower climbers typically fall from less than 500' and are not prepared. There is no way you can get into position and deploy a chute when you are not prepared in under 5 seconds (approx time for a 500' fall).

Instead of wearing a cumbersome parachute rig, simply working safely and alertly will prevent you from needing it. I say that being one of "those guys", I'd never wear a chute, opting instead for 100% tieoff.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20388658 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:23:56 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20388264 birdfeedr :

said by Tzale

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What else is new in a society that lacks morals and has no respect for itself?

-Tzale

I don't think it's lack of respect or morals. For most people, except the sociopaths, it's mostly whistling past the graveyard.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20388264 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:54:50 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20388083 Tzale :

said by jc100

What good is a parachute if it hits the tower when it opens? Their point is that you will STILL die, it will just be prolonged and more gruesome now that you hit on your way down.

-Tzale
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20388083 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:19:26 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20388077 Tzale :

said by ke4pym

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People die all the time. And they'll continue to die.

The joke was funny.

Stupid sudden stops.

Mr. Forrest,

Perhaps you should remember that next time a ham, or perhaps yourself dies climbing a tower.

-Tzale
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20388077 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:18:02 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20388069 jc100 : Well if it were me personally, I'd suffice to say wrapping up or hitting the tower is a much better option than plummeting to your death. I mean depending on the force you hit the tower, it might be fatal or lead to severe injuries. Still, you might just have a few broken bones. It beats the alternative, almost certain death. If base jumpers got Parachutes that can open, Im sure something can be made for these guys.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20388069 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:16:42 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20388066 Tzale :

said by gatorkram

said by Jerm

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Its not the fall that fatal, it's the sudden stop at the end :P

Do you really think, in a news item, that talks about five people dieing, that there is room for jokes? I for one think it is in very poor taste.

What else is new in a society that lacks morals and has no respect for itself?

-Tzale
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20388066 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:16:26 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20387942 cmaenginsb : Most deaths occurred at an altitude where a parachute canopy would not properly open. It is also highly possible they will not be in the proper position to get a canopy to open without slamming them into the tower or simply wrapping them up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20387942 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:57:58 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20387781 Ulmo :

said by gatorkram

said by Jerm

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Its not the fall that fatal, it's the sudden stop at the end :P

Do you really think, in a news item, that talks about five people dieing, that there is room for jokes? I for one think it is in very poor taste.

Despite your protest, the fact that they could wear a properly set up parachute of some sort would indicate that the fact that the fall itself is not fatal is a very good key piece of information in figuring out how to potentially avoiding injury.

Since the fall itself is not fatal, a nice parachute with good practice would probably be a very good idea, and would often cause some manner of injury avoidance.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20387781 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:26:41 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20387258 ke4pym : People die all the time. And they'll continue to die.

The joke was funny.

Stupid sudden stops.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20387258 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:56:14 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20387239 Matt :

said by gatorkram

said by Jerm

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Its not the fall that fatal, it's the sudden stop at the end :P

Do you really think, in a news item, that talks about five people dieing, that there is room for jokes? I for one think it is in very poor taste.

I thought it was funny. ::shrug::]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20387239 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:52:40 EDT Re: Its not the fall thats fatal... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20387188 gatorkram :

said by Jerm

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Its not the fall that fatal, it's the sudden stop at the end :P

Do you really think, in a news item, that talks about five people dieing, that there is room for jokes? I for one think it is in very poor taste.
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