Re: online threat in Spam, Scam and Phishbusters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20396283 en Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:28:26 EDT Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:28:26 EDT Re: online threat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20417990 sharondippity : Maybe the web host needs to know that the client is trying to extort money using information gathered on the forum at »www.themazdaforum.com
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20417990 Thu, 01 May 2008 19:14:52 EDT Re: online threat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20417840 MotherNature : Time to reel in a few of his privileges for not being up front with you. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20417840 Thu, 01 May 2008 18:39:25 EDT Re: online threat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20400954 ptrowski : It does sounds like the admin was a bit peeved that his blunder was brought to attention.
Also, I would personally remove the picture of the email as it has alot of email addresses on it. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20400954 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:37:44 EDT Re: online threat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20400218 xmrocks : It sounds like a lot of BS and I'd just ignore it rather than get into some e-mail war with the site admin and just get everyone's blood pressure rising!

Furthermore, the e-mail the site admin sent out was not CAN SPAM Compliant. He sent it to all registered users who presumably opted-in via the vBulletin form registration. That's fine, but his e-mail has a somewhat deceptive subject line and he doesn't include a physical postal address for subscribers to opt-out.

Also as MGD See Profile stated, it needs to be clearly labelled as an advertisement.

Tell the site admin to become more familiar with the CAN SPAM Act as he is registered in the U.S. ;) »www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/bus···pam.shtm
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said by threatened :

....Both of them are wrong but the adult forum owner should not have threatened my kid especially after my kid told him he was only 15 years old. My kid said the forum sucked so bad he never even posted there.

Thanks for your replies and your answers to my questions.
You are welcome, and I agree. Your son being upset that the admin revealed his and all the members email addresses is valid.

You may be generous in classifying the admin as an adult. The most egregious event here was that message that he sent. That fabrication and ultimatum for money, in writing no less, could land him in a lot of trouble.

MGD ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20396701 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:14:58 EDT Re: online threat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20396442 anon : Kids don't always tell the truth to their parents. Shocking, I know. When my kid told me the story I asked him 5 times to repeat it and show me the emails. Well, he showed me the ones he wanted me to see. I use SentryAtHome Parental Controls to check on his web usage and I backtracked all of his surfing and found his gmails. He then gave me his laptop and I found all of the original emails that the mazdaforum and my kid sent back and forth. One of the funny things is that the mazda guy has my son's best friend's isp info because he signed up on the forum during a laptop gaming party at his friend's house.

Both of them are wrong but the adult forum owner should not have threatened my kid especially after my kid told him he was only 15 years old. My kid said the forum sucked so bad he never even posted there.

Thanks for your replies and your answers to my questions. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20396442 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:13:23 EDT Re: online threat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20396283 pcdebb : the admin is pissed at the kid for pointing out his own error. the admin is the one who exposed all of those addresses, when he replied, I dont see the real damage, the addresses were already out there.

If there is ANYTHING that would improve our forum, let me know!
yea, get someone who knows how to send email correctly
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Again, thanks for getting the whole story, that says a lot about your integrity.

MGD]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20396157 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:13:09 EDT Re: online threat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20396094 anon : I found my kid's email to the guy. Looks like my kid wasn't quite telling the truth about "accidentally" hitting the reply-to-all button. But I also have the original email the guy sent to my kid and all of the replies he has sent since.

Also, my kid was wrong about the "cc", it was "To" with all of the members addresses which is worse than "cc".

original email with over 100 addresses in the "to" column:
[att=1]
Hey there,

Our latest offer for YOU: FREE SITE DECALS* and much more!!

»www.themazdaforum.com

I just wanted to drop you a personal e-mail- I haven't seen you stop by in
over a month. We've been hard at work to create an awesome place and I
think we've done that.

A few cool things we have:
vBGarage- show off your ride to all of the members on board!
vBArcade- bored? Stop by the arcade and challenge other members!

We've had a lot of new members sign up and have some vendors that have
some HUGE specials on brakes, oil change parts, and more- so stop on by!
We also have a few clubs that now call our board home, so check that out
too. If you're interested in having your own forum, write back and let me
know.

I can't wait to see you over on TMF- the place just isn't the same without
all our members around. Why else would I waste my time if you weren't
important? YOU'RE important to me and all the other members- please stop
by and post and say hi!

If there is ANYTHING that would improve our forum, let me know!

Patrick

*Site decals offer: Free one color decals with paid donation ($10 or more)
for more information, visit themazdaforum.com
my kid's reply:
To: registrar@themazdaforum.com
date Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:33 PM
subject Re: I need you! Where did you go?


Reply


I wonder why you sent out everybody's email address. Don't some people like to keep their info private? Maybe you should learn about bcc instead of cc in your emails.

I replied to all of the people who you have included in your email to me just so they know they lost any privacy they thought they had on your site.

Sad way to conduct business.
2nd email from mazdaforum:
Was it really necessary for you to make the situation worse by sending
mail to every user?

It was an unfortunate mistake with the vBulletin software we're
running, but to make matters worse, without contacting me first, you
went ahead and sent unsolicited e-mail to everyone you choose?

What is your reasoning behind this?
Then came the threats.

Thanks for your insight.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20396094 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:52:26 EDT Re: online threat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395750 dandelion : Having seen the mod controls of a couple of forums, I would say your son should not have had that permission to send out emails as reply all in the first place. I have not tried out vBulletin however, which seems to be the forum template style as said at the bottom. But if me, I would first sign up and actually set up a forum yourself and look at the permissions given to members/mods/ etc. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395750 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:16:24 EDT Re: online threat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395718 MGD : As far fetched as it may seem, I presume that this is the entire story, and that there are no more relevant details. ?

First off, that message sounds more like extortion than anything else. If the facts are as you stated, and there are no additional issues, then the sender / site admin is an IDIOT.

I do not believe for a moment that:

quote:
"My lawyer on the behalf of myself has used our website to harvest evidence for a lawsuit against you. The lawyer has sent a subpoena for your information to.."


The primary reason for that is, it would be obvious to any first year law student, based on those facts, that there was not even a remote violation of that law.

The law addresses Spam, "unsolicited commercial e-mail".

quote:
The new law requires that senders of unsolicited commercial e-mail include a subject line reading “ADV:” as the first four characters of the subject line, certain contact information, and a valid method for consumers to opt out of receiving future emails. The sender also would be required to establish and maintain the necessary policies and records to ensure that a recipient who opted out of receiving e-mail solicitations does not receive future spam.


What your son did was hit "reply all" in error. There was not even an "intent" to spam. The real act of malfeasance occurred when the idiot site admin sent email that exposed all the member's addresses. He must be totally clueless. At most I would offer to buy him a copy of "Email for Dummies", and underline the BCC section.

I can assure you that no lawyer has reviewed, participated in, nor sanctioned that message that was sent.

quote:
...Also you could be required to surrender your computer along with any personal devices that may contain information in the event we receive a search warrant.


Total and absolute BS, search warrants are issued to law enforcement based on probable cause, not to private individuals. He is now impersonating a police officer.

quote:
....There is only one way at this point for me to stop this process, and that would be to make a $500 USD donation to our forum, issue an apology, ....


He may characterize the demand for $500 as a donation, however, law enforcement may consider that a crime, especially in this context. When that clueless admin is finished re reading the anti spam statute, he may want to swing by and read the criminal statues on extortion.

quote:
...and surrender the e-mail addresses you captured.....


What an idiot, how does one "surrender" an intangible, give him a copy of the email list back and keep two. "Captured" ..... the idiot sent them to you, there was no capture, it is called receiving.

At this stage I would not bother LE on such a trivial issue. You, as the parent of a minor may want to reply pointing out his stupidity in sending the original email in a CC format. Also, that H.B. 4519 is not even remotely applicable in this case, and his request for $500 may even be a crime. Especially if there is no record now of a subpoena already issued. He has stated that this is already done. If untrue, then that supports that the $500 demand is extortion.

quote:
Extortion:
The actual obtainment of money or property is not required to commit the offense. Making a threat of violence or a lawsuit which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence or lawsuit is sufficient to commit the offense.


If he were to obtain a subpoena for your ISP records, you would be notified in advance by the ISP, and given an opportunity to contest the subpoena before any data is turned over. Only at that point would I consider the expense of legal advice. I am willing to wager that he has not even consulted with a lawyer, never mind making any attempt to obtain a subpoena. Again, I guarantee you that any lawyer would have cautioned him against sending that demmand message. It is the admin pretending to be one, and a bad one at that.

There really should be minimum IQ levels required before anyone is allowed to host a forum.

For the record...,IANAL, This is my opinion based on the facts that you have described, and does not constitute legal advice.

MGD]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395718 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:08:40 EDT online threat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395275 anon : Some clown who runs a mazda website sent out many of the private members' email addresses to many of the members, about 100 of them. My kid, who is a minor, was a site member and he sent the guy back an email telling him what he did was wrong by making all of the private email addresses public. But my kid hit "reply to all" and all of the members received the email. Now he wants my kid to apologize and send him $500. Is this possible? Is it a scam to get money for his site? Can this guy really make my kid surrender his computer?

Should I get a lawyer and countersue him? Or should I just disregard this threat?

Any advice is appreciated. Thank you in advance.

My lawyer on the behalf of myself has used our website to harvest evidence for a lawsuit against you. The lawyer has sent a subpoena for your information to:

xxxxxxxxxxxx Cable Communications, Inc.

With your logged IP address that we have on file as part of your registration with our forum:

IP: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Resolved Host: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I intend on using this subpoena to access your real name and address so that we may file a lawsuit for violation of Michigan State Code 2003 Mich. Pub. Act 42 (H.B. 4519) regarding the spamming of e-mail users on our website, TheMazdaForum.com without their consent.

I will give you 7 (seven) days to make contact with myself before my lawyer goes ahead and with said steps. There is only one way at this point for me to stop this process, and that would be to make a $500 USD donation to our forum, issue an apology, and surrender the e-mail addresses you captured.

Also you could be required to surrender your computer along with any personal devices that may contain information in the event we receive a search warrant.
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