said by whservices :

Sorry to be bringing up this old thread. Yabba dabba ding dong, the beat goes on.

said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :

Also, I am completely against renting a dedicated server somewhere in the middle of someone's data center (there are a whole list of times when you should do this, but if you are running a hosting business then you shouldn't. Game server on the other hand is ok). If you don't have instant access to the servers, then its not worth it (I don't know his setup, but it looks like he has a server with gnax.net as that is who owns the IP address that is tied to his domain) because you simply can't provide the kind of support that is required for hosting.

said by otis_sh :

Yeah, I dunno.

Shared hosting is a shared thing; the dynamics of the situation will be the same even when you scale them up over time with increased processor power. Basically, hardware prices go down, mhz and storage capacities go up, but the dynamics of the situation remain more or less the same.

I think of the HG sort of like an advertisement not how much they're selling, but just to give you an idea of to what extent most people aren't using what they have available. So, if you can manage to use that space and bandwidth, go for it. If you can, and you probably can't because it will slow down the machine and use too much CPU.

AND if you look at the small print, it's actually 50,000 inodes (I believe) or something like that and you get booted. In other words, if you have a catchall on postmaster and you ignore it for a while and you get spammed a lot, you'll go over the inodes count within perhaps just a few 100 megs of spam in a catchall and you're gone.

The MOST important thing is customer service because stuff WILL go down. So it's not whether or not something goes down, it's how the outages are handled. And YES, the outages should be few and far between -- My host has had I believe just two what could be called somewhat major "issues" in the past 5 years, mostly revolving around e-mail IIRC.

It's really a good question about the 99.9% or whatever -- in a shared hosting environment, stuff WILL go down. You're usually backed up, but you're not redundant for $20 a month. So, the reality of the situation is that being w/o email for 12 hours or so twice in the past 5 years on a SHARED hosting plan for under $20 - I'm extremely satisfied.

It really is the customer service that counts the most, at least in a shared environment, because in a shared environment, stuff WILL go down (from time to time). Hopefully it's only once every couple years, or even less often!

said by lordkuri :

Frys Electronics has 1TB drives on sale all the time for $75.

Give me a link to this supposed sale, I will buy every one they have in stock as soon as I can get there.

(For some truth, I just bought 4 x 1TB Seagate SATA drives from Fry's *today*, and they were $179.99. Here's the ad: »jamiforums.com/showthread.php?t=64)

said by gggman4real :

Ripping my own purchased CDs is no violation. Backing up my data is no violation. I can see that distribution would be a clear violation, but wouldn't password protecting my data storage area show a good faith effort to make it protected? As far as the sharing portion, that is more to get around needing to send 3 or 4 pdf files of product labels or several high quality power point files and needing to get around attachment size limits of email clients (along the lines of yousendit, but since it would be my own domain webhost I would not have the size limits or have to pay for an account or endure ads to do it). Would either of those be a violation of TOS? If so, why have a TOS that prohibits the very things that would make your host desirable in the first place?

said by citywidehost :

It's amazing to me how many assumers are on this forum. He never said that he didn't have 1TB of space available on the server, nor did he confirm that he did.

Do you honestly think that you would be able to use 1.2TB of space? And it be legitimate usage? If so, what are you using it for? Two Man Riot said he had a bunch of audio/video that he made... if you put that on the web, don't think you the host would think that you're backing up your personal computer? Would people be accessing that information often? Otherwise you are just backing it up to the web.

The whole point of overselling is that you're selling more than you have available to sell. I think I mentioned earlier we all could offer YB's of space. ;-)

said by Two Man Riot :

well since you work together, or are the same person it doesn't surprise me you have the same philosophy. but i'm sure your clients would hope to be able to use their entire plan. sine whmservices can't show it i'm assuming he doesn't have it.

said by swintec :

It would be nice to at least have a drive in the server that at LEAST equaled the amount of space you allowed and advertised. At this rate, why dont you just say 10 TB's or 20, that would blow the competition out of the water for sure.

said by Two Man Riot :

would you show me a screenshot with 1TB or 2TB in it?

said by Two Man Riot :

but you still won't show me a screenshot of your WHM that shows 8TB's per server will you?

said by Two Man Riot :

i don't know about you but i only pay for the water, electricity and gas that i use. but that wasn't my point.

said by Two Man Riot :

It just doesn't make sense, but i guess that is why hosting companies are a dime a dozen and they go out business quicker than they got into it.

said by Two Man Riot :

that is assuming they have other servers. regardless it just doesn't seem right to me that people can buy a plan and then potentially not be able to utilize it all.

said by Two Man Riot :

The real point is, if you selling a certain amount of space and bandwidth, and if i am a user and i use up all that space and bandwidth, I wouldn't want to have my account shutdown because it might compromise others hosting. If that is the case, then you shouldn't be offering it.

said by removed :

Nowhere in my post did I mention that we only hosted 150-170 domains on each server... we offer quite a few addon domains which our customers use to their advantage.

said by removed :

I realize that this thread is quickly getting off-topic, but I still think it's important that you back up your claims or avoid making false claims altogether.

said by whservices :

Without getting too far off topic, I've already mentioned the source of this information might not be very reliable. I would also like to offer that I found one server of Surpasshosting (which I'm assuming you are affiliated with) ... was showing 314 domains - this is just from one of those free ip neighbor searches. This is almost double what you mentioned.

root@sh101 [~]# ll /var/cpanel/users/ | wc -l
160
root@sh101 [~]# grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo
model name      : Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 265
model name      : Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 265
model name      : Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 265
model name      : Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 265

said by Two Man Riot :

I have about 8 TB's of video data from film projects I have worked on that is all owned by me that I would like to stream over the internet. SO essentially I can get my own dedicated server for about 40 bucks a month with 8TB's of space?

said by Two Man Riot :

All i was saying is that 1.2TB accounts means in theory that your servers hold 6-7 people with 8 1TB HD's, at 4.99 that is 40 bucks a month, which at that rate would take you 1 year to pay for all those hard drives. It just doesn't make sense.

said by Two Man Riot :

Would you be opposed to be getting an 7 accounts on the same server, and loading them up with 1.2 TB of files?

said by whservices :

Without getting too far off topic, I've already mentioned the source of this information might not be very reliable. I would also like to offer that I found one server of Surpasshosting (which I'm assuming you are affiliated with) ... was showing 314 domains - this is just from one of those free ip neighbor searches. This is almost double what you mentioned.

Anyway, we're getting way off topic now.

said by JohnQPublic :

First of all, I wouldn't have any trouble bashing Surpass if they sucked. But they don't,

said by whservices :

SurpassHosting - Another respected company on these forums. They sell a 200GB disk, 2TB bandwidth plan for $6/month. They fill their servers with 500-1000 accounts. This too is alot, but seems to be doing well for them.

said by whservices :

If you are willing to pay for the marketing research that was done to find out this information, I'll be more than happy to share it. :)

said by removed :

Is that a fact? Where are you getting this figure from? Links to results from said "nameserver tools"?

said by whservices :

They fill their servers with 500-1000 accounts. This too is alot, but seems to be doing well for them.

said by JohnQPublic :

Small world. I, too, have a website about boogers.