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NormanS
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San Jose, CA
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| reply to Puddin Man
Re: Web Login
said by Puddin Man :
Gawd In Heaven, but they've made a hideous, hideous
mess of their systems!
Who is "they"? AT&T has done nothing more than outsource email to Yahoo! (handles the POP3 mailbox and message submission servers).
The Yahoo! POP3 servers are as they have always been.
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Norman
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Puddin Man
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| said by NormanS  :said by Puddin Man :
Gawd In Heaven, but they've made a hideous, hideous
mess of their systems!
Who is "they"? AT&T has done nothing more than outsource email to Yahoo! (handles the POP3 mailbox and message submission servers). The Yahoo! POP3 servers are as they have always been. I contracted with ATT for DSL. They are my ISP, I pay them money for "service".
"They" (ATT) have polluted their web sites with so much hideous, idiot garbage-hype that I (and likely lots of folks) can't find anything there save marketing-trash.
And I'm muy mucho sick of it. It is "Customer-Abuse". :-(
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| said by Puddin Man :
I contracted with ATT for DSL. They are my ISP, I pay them money for "service".
And AT&T provides you with DSL service. You get TCP/IP transport to the Internet, and you get a public IP address from their IP address pool. That is what they have decided they will provide. That they outsource services like email, online storage and personal web pages have nothing to do with getting DSL.
"They" (ATT) have polluted their web sites with so much hideous, idiot garbage-hype that I (and likely lots of folks) can't find anything there save marketing-trash.
I don't see it, for the most part; the hideous marketing hype. I hit the web mail pages about once a week to look for false positives (goodmail in the Bulk folder). Other than that, I don't use Yahoo! for search, or portal services. I have only one GeoCities PWP. I tried that, just to see how it was. I don't care for it.
I am able to avoid Yahoo! for the most part (can't help having to user their POP3 servers, but they aren't putting ads in the email there; yet).
Other than that, all the places I go are bookmarked. I don't even use Google for search; there are alternatives to everything.
And I'm muy mucho sick of it. It is "Customer-Abuse". :-(
Only if you think you have to use Yahoo! because AT&T has a contract with them. And you might as well get used to it. All of the larger ISPs are outsourcing at least some components of their services. Even Comcast. At least AT&T has not joined the rush to the DNS redirection services.
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Norman
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Puddin
@swbell.net
| I'm not gonna ask how much time you wasted finding the sites/pages to bookmark.
Not certain you understand: I've avoided Yahoo and its ilk like the Black Plague for years.
I think ATT has an obligation to its paying customers to make relevant info available to them, and not to hide it under direction of Garbage-Marketers.
If you disagree with this position, that's your business (not mine).
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by Puddin :
I'm not gonna ask how much time you wasted finding the sites/pages to bookmark.
One might make the claim that thirty seconds of every day spent on the Internet is thirty seconds of time wasted. OTOH, one might also realize that one can search the Internet without going near Yahoo!, or even Google, and add interesting sites to their bookmarks. I've been online in one way, or another, since 1986. I've been surfing the Internet, proper, since mid-1999. I have accumulated a lot of URLs, some of which even still work, in the last eight years.
Not certain you understand: I've avoided Yahoo and its ilk like the Black Plague for years.
Then what is your beef?
I think ATT has an obligation to its paying customers to make relevant info available to them, and not to hide it under direction of Garbage-Marketers.
If you disagree with this position, that's your business (not mine).
Well, then we disagree. AFAIAC, I am paying for TCP/IP transport to the Internet. I will find my own content, thank you.
Or should I put more trust in AT&T content because they are my transport provider than, say, Google, MSN, or Yahoo!?
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
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Puddin
@swbell.net
| said by NormanS :said by Puddin :
I'm not gonna ask how much time you wasted finding the sites/pages to bookmark.
One might make the claim that thirty seconds of every day spent on the Internet is thirty seconds of time wasted. OTOH, one might also realize that one can search the Internet without going near Yahoo!, or even Google, and add interesting sites to their bookmarks. I've been online in one way, or another, since 1986. I've been surfing the Internet, proper, since mid-1999. I have accumulated a lot of URLs, some of which even still work, in the last eight years. I started with Bitnet, but that has nothing to do with the issue here. I do not belong to "Zombie Nation".
Not certain you understand: I've avoided Yahoo and its ilk like the Black Plague for years.
Then what is your beef? Well, it sho'ly, sho'ly couldn't be with SlothWestern Bull. 
It's a package. The ads say you get DSL, mailboxes, etc. I pay "ATT": they are responsible for "service". If ATT sources services that I pay ATT for to derelicts, then I color ATT derelict. Simple as that.
I think ATT has an obligation to its paying customers to make relevant info available to them, and not to hide it under direction of Garbage-Marketers.
If you disagree with this position, that's your business (not mine).
Well, then we disagree. AFAIAC, I am paying for TCP/IP transport to the Internet. I will find my own content, thank you.
Or should I put more trust in AT&T content because they are my transport provider than, say, Google, MSN, or Yahoo!?
You are paying for mailboxes that you don't use? Why??
Jeez. I couldn't even find the logon to disable their mutant Spam-filter. Comprendere?
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by Puddin :
You are paying for mailboxes that you don't use? Why??
I am paying for TCP/IP transport to the Internet. I can't get that without their mailboxes; they don't sell their mailboxes "extra".
Jeez. I couldn't even find the logon to disable their mutant Spam-filter. Comprendere?
Surely they weren't that hard to find!
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum | |
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