WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv in Cable & Satellite TV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20400118 en Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:29:29 EDT Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:29:29 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20572073 Digibits : Dolby 3D video is already available in select theaters, and it would not surprise me to see it be incorporated into HDTV transmissions and specially configured sets at some time in the future.

Haven't seen it in person, but I understand that the picture quality is fantastic.

Only downside is that 3D glasses are required.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20572073 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:00:06 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20559557 BigMud : I'm a Data tech in AL and contracted for Charter. They were talking about video conferencing through your tv much like you would the computer and since the cable company now offers phone service they are also talking about video telephone through the T.V. Before ANY of this is possible the cable system has to be upgraded from the headend (or plant) all the way to the tap outside your house. They are in the process of upgrading these systems right now!

Maybe we'll see it in our lifetime??
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said by kcblack See Profile :

There's a couple semi long running series produced by fans and quite frankly its better than some of the commercial drek that I see on network and cable TV. So, yes you can do serious TV as a part time hobby.
No you really can't to especialy as hobby a 90 min movies is going to takes MONTHS to produce, and likely no on more than marginal scale paid.

Its not that you CAN't do it, but not on any REAL level where is money making way... sure maybe highly viewed You Tube etc.... but a the money in that vs time spent?

Again NON Reality.talk) CHEEPO to produce why do you think the netwoks did during the stike???

But in the end it is BS programing.... Only thing cheaprmaye is JUDGE X... whoever nonsense... where the morons loose and all rights signed away.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20532640 Sat, 24 May 2008 04:22:38 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20528541 kcblack : Well, I'd take a look at some of the fan based star-trek stuff out there. There's a couple semi long running series produced by fans and quite frankly its better than some of the commercial drek that I see on network and cable TV. So, yes you can do serious TV as a part time hobby. if it becomes successful enough then its not part time and is probably not going to stay a hobby for long and it may not take $500 to produce, but with the availability of $500 HD cameras, I don't think it's going to stay purely in the province of professional filmmakers very long. Look at how South Park started out for another example.

If you check out the wiki entry you can see some of the example. Star Trek is not the only one either. I just use it as an example.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_···ductions

I'm for anything that circumvents the network influenced crap that I see.

As for Vista, I'm not going to get into any OS wars. I have several PCs running XP pro and for daily stuff I'd pick it in an instant. My Vista media center PC is exactly that, a media center. I managed to buy a 3ghz, 4GB memory, digital/analog tuner card, HP M8100 for less than $400. I bought it for the sole purpose of it being my media center. It works fairly well and other than not having a native h264 codec, I'm happy with it. The next media center update which is needed for the DTV usb tuner boxes should take care of that and I've added my own codecs that take care of any other types of video, including being able to play my extracted video from my "modified" HD directivo.

So, for the most part and for my use it works at an acceptable level. I'm not however going out and upgrading all my XP installs anytime soon.I also have an XP media center machine as well.

Kevin
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Not going to happen but old dish is still there, makes instally a lot easier..... even if there has been an interem cable install, but even if HD dish not compatible the mount and mast is, which is the labor intensive part.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20527881 Fri, 23 May 2008 08:44:45 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20527864 cypherstream : Oh yeah I'm not disagreeing with you.

I'm thinking, perhaps someone moves into a house and it has a DirecTV or Dish Network sat on the roof. Assuming that it's aimed correctly, wouldn't it be nice if you could just take the coax lead, plug it directly into a TV.... The TV would sense a D* or E* signal, download the appropriate software and allow the user to subscribe right then and there? No set top box, unless you want DVR, then all you have is an external HD enclosure connected via eSATA. Cable's going this way with Tru2Way.

I know a little far fetched to put all of that cost for a D*, E*, OTA ATSC, and Cable tuners / demods all in one box, but hey that's what the future is all about, dreaming. People would of laughed at you 50 years ago if you would of said a computer would fit in the palm of your hand. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20527864 Fri, 23 May 2008 08:40:24 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20527274 Hayward : You still have to be able to see the target... I know its only been 500+ years since Columbus but believe it or not the world is round. European sats from the East coat very marginal, CLEAR weather possible... West coast just plain forget it unless you find a hopped relay that is still in the clear... likely not because it is DISH or DTV or someone paying for that hop to get to them.

Again they might pick up FTA Asian, Pacific, S/C Am Mex, and Canada stuff but not Europe... not from SF... even fron the top of Knob Hill.

Also why NASA has the Tedres sat system of 9+ low orbit sats (similar to GPS... which is 27? and needs 3-4 in sight to be accurate) so they can stay in touch with Shuttle and ISS, pretty much non stop vs relying on tracking earth stations and weather, but still have some brief blackout points.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20527274 Fri, 23 May 2008 01:59:33 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20523674 cypherstream : Tru2Way TV's should be out this fall. But for the future..
How about TV's with built in MPEG4/H.264 decoding, downloadable conditional access (no cable or access cards). Plug and play, simply plug a lead from the cable or satellite company in, and it downloads the CA and software required to navigate/use the service. Self provisioning via 2 way (input a checking/credit/debit account, pick your package and go), eSATA port to add a hard drive and turn the TV into a DVR. How about 1080P over broadcast in H.264? An ethernet port and built in WiFi for casual web surfing/e-mail/widgets/tivo style media sharing over your home LAN. Heck Tivo would no longer make boxes, but simply subscribe and the Tivo software would download into your TV and work with your cable or satellite provider as well as do their VOD and/or web content.

There's lots of possibilities out there. What about the Quad HDTV resolutions over DisplayPort interface (I know, yet another interface connector on the horizon).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20523674 Thu, 22 May 2008 13:47:11 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20510710 Hayward :
said by kcblack See Profile :

I'll be close to this as soon as DirectTV comes out with its USB/Vista media center tuner boxes (dual tuners) that use a Vista based Media center PC as tuner controller
OK boy a DVR with BSOD, and needing 2GB of RAM to even boot or run.

VISTA.... aptly named because that is where it ever running right is.... on that distant vista, almost over the horizon. ;)

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I do hope that "anyone" can become a TV network as well. There are alot of creative people out there with alot fo ideas and for $500 you can pick up a nice HD camera and good editing software is not that expensive, the sky is the limit.
Fine and good if all you ever want to see is cheapo (non) Reality TV nonsence, game/talk shows and videos.

But You don't produce like hour long dramas/scif/movies/etc for $500, and most actors, directors, stage hands, caterers, etc do like to get paid...

REAL TV is not by any streatch of the imaginaion a cheap undetaking, even if the relatively unimportant stuff like cameras, and editing may have. If nothing else you have dozens of people salaries.
You can't do serious TV as a part time hobby.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20510710 Tue, 20 May 2008 09:03:47 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20510686 Hayward :
said by NomadOfNorad See Profile :

My feeling is that, given time, we will shift across to getting our television shows delivered as playable files, from a file server or a collection of file servers out on the Net, rather than those shows being tied to a specific time and a specific broadcast channel. The "Television Network" or "Satellite Channel" as a concept will be obsolete, and will then perhaps be only a brand presence. "This show delivered to you by NBC" or "This show delivered to you by HGTV" but there will no longer be a case of "NBC is on channel 12" or "HGTV is on channel 112
I'm not so sure about that as most still first encounter shows by channel surfing at a given moment. (Unless a big instant hit everyone is talking about)

A vast vault of files does not make that very easy or likely.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20510686 Tue, 20 May 2008 08:57:14 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20510650 Hayward :
said by BurntCricket See Profile :

Well considering not too long ago there were no VCRs and TV recorders were real to real and were big, bulky, expensive
Not too long ago???? I think most would consider 32 years a fair chunk of time... Yes it has been that long since the 1976 introduction of the Betamax, and the earlier R-2-R B&W machines go back to the late 60's And they went color in their last days before the Betamax introduction.

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If you were lucky to have a new TV you had colour and if lived in a major city you had than three channels to choose from.
NYC area we had 2,4,5,7,9,11, and 13 (3 net, 3 ind, and PBS), and there were CT & NJ stations you might get, and that's not even counting UHF most people didn't know of until the tuners were mandated in the early 60's and people got antennas, or close enough for the loop and bowties indoor types.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20510650 Tue, 20 May 2008 08:46:20 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20507878 kcblack : I always get reminded of the movie "Short Circuit" where Johnny Five goes through all the books in the house and cries out "More input, More input" which is the direction we are moving in.

More and more I see things going to a subscription basis. Instead of paying $100 a month for Directv, you'll pay a few cents an episode for your favorite series or we'll be back at the "brought to you by "Bromo Seltzer" days.

I see a day (mostly already here, where you have a TIVO-like interface on your PC media center which you enter keywords and your media center box automatically downloads programs/media to your PC and then you use a remote control to manage your media(a la media center).

I'll be close to this as soon as DirectTV comes out with its USB/Vista media center tuner boxes (dual tuners) that use a Vista based Media center PC as tuner controller and perform the same functions as the crappy HR-20 DVRs.

The networks don't understand that they are a dying breed and their model just is not sustainable any more. Look at the number of shows that have episodes that you can watch online now.

It will also make shows cheaper and let them be under more control of their creators. Then they can come to a natural conclusion when the author/write wants them to end, not because it got too expensive to produce because of delays due to "seasons" or egos as a production becomes more successful.

I do hope that "anyone" can become a TV network as well. There are alot of creative people out there with alot fo ideas and for $500 you can pick up a nice HD camera and good editing software is not that expensive, the sky is the limit.

More input, more input!

Kevin
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It will also mean that shows will no longer be at the mercy of some bean-counter network exec that has taken a personal disliking to a show and wants to drive the ratings down (by, f'rex, showing episodes out of sequence on a show that has a specific story-arc, where the episodes must be shown in a certain sequence for it all to make sense (remember "Crusades," anyone?)), or canceling a show before it's even gotten halfway through the first season because it hasn't been a major hit yet, and where the execs don't really understand the show either (remember "Firefly"?), and are moving the show around the schedule trying to find where it gets more audience (thereby losing the audience it already has, who might not be able to watch it on the night it suddenly moved it, or that might not be aware that it did move).

It would also mean that anyone could become a "TV network" by making his own TV series in his basement or garage, and have that show show up right there next to the big boys' shows, and you could have some really, really unusual, even niche, TV series ideas.

"Welcome to the 'Nude Chessmasters Tournement!'" :D :D :D :D

(Okay, maybe not! :D )]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20507202 Mon, 19 May 2008 16:00:53 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20464479 BurntCricket : Well considering not too long ago there were no VCRs and TV recorders were real to real and were big, bulky, expensive, and the recordings were limited to educational use only and could only be kept so many days and the quality of the recording was okay at best.

If you were lucky to have a new TV you had colour and if lived in a major city you had than three channels to choose from.

Those of us that have experienced the advancement in TV know how far things have come.

There were "only" 27"(or smaller) screens with no stereo sound, no HD, no DVR, and for most no cable or sat.

Now there are 100" HD TVs, 1000 channels, and DVRs to record whatever you want and pause or replay it if you wish.
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a good 15 years until the next generation of High def comes out. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20425474 Sat, 03 May 2008 11:05:02 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402915 Hayward :
said by A P CC See Profile :

said by snowman714 See Profile :

I think the next step will be holographic TV
thats already here in my home,

everytime i see a good movie on animal planet ior HBO ,ect channel I say ""Holly Cow," or Holly geeze I've gotta record that next time its on.
Guess that's just your problem being west... out east we always get the 3-4 hours later WC rerun on cable channels to record if didn't just DVR it in the first place (or looking at the late afternoon feed 5pm for 8pm) ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402915 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:57:05 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402567 heels_fan : ATI is a video card maker. The video card has software that allows you to plug in a cable to the video card, just like you would plug in a cable to your tv.

The software allows for you to see the the TV signal on the video card just like TV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402567 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:49:20 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401868 snowman714 : and here you go :)

»www.gizmag.com/go/3271/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401868 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:24:23 EDT Re: WHAT is the next stepping stone, for Tv http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401830 wings10 :
said by snowman714 See Profile :

I think the next step will be holographic TV
There you go.
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said by djdanska See Profile :

It would be pretty cool if they made a tv with a tivo built into it. All one unit. That hooks up to the internet and where you can download movies and videos. A cable card slot too so you can get digital cable. Have access to the cable companies video on demand too. A removable hard drive where you can expand it. (By firewire or whatever the newest standard is now a days.) Have it setup where you can remotely login to your tv and stream your saved programs or live tv. (on a mobile device, computer, or other tv. Like what Orb.com does.)
This can all be done now though.
I wonder IF what you describe isn't what my friend already has with something, ( a program or ??? whetever it is) he purchased, he watch's his tv on the computer, something called I think
A.T.I.

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This can all be done now though.
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said by snowman714 See Profile :

I think the next step will be holographic TV
thats already here in my home,

everytime i see a good movie on animal planet ior HBO ,ect channel I say ""Holly Cow," or Holly geeze I've gotta record that next time its on.
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said by djdanska See Profile :

Smell o vision! LoL... Kidding. Good question. Something is bound to come up. Not sure on 3d tv. Hdtv has been in the works for a long time now and i have not heard of anything new coming out yet. Something will though. Give it time!
"SOMEof us" even remember when the 3 D,(gimmick) came out that you put over the glass on your tv picture tube to "'supposedly" see movies in 3 d, remember the "'free 3 D glass you got in the ceral box, lol
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Just curious what do you think the next step in tv viewing will be for the future?

Maybe 3D tv viewing or ?
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