Re: [Phone] Confused in Mediacom

Re: [Phone] Confused in Mediacom http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20402476 en Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:36:03 EDT Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:36:03 EDT Re: [Phone] Confused http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420453 BAINCH :

said by acoustix

said by drslash

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I don't think that is an accurate description either. From what I understand the call from the home goes over Mediacom's network to the head end and is then connected to the service provider (Sprint?). The call does not hit the open internet anywhere on the path and is not considered VOIP.

VoIP is not limited to a specific type of network or Internet as you put it. VoIP is not a specific protocol, but a rather a generalized description of "Voice over Internet Protocol". There are many protocols that can be used like SCCP and SIP. It can be over a LAN, WAN, Internet, or whatever, but VoIP does not have to hit the "open Internet". I know because I manage a Cisco CallManager system.

Your understanding of Mediacom's voice network is accurate and it is most definitely a VoIP system.

I wouldn't advise anyone to claim Mediacom wasn't VoIP, but that term has taken on meanings by many users (and reporters) that have confused the issue. So for those who are interested:

Mediacom Phone uses an ITU protocol called MGCP, which is tranmitted in IP between the customer premise and the gateway controllers (part of the switch.) We support dynamic QOS to guarantee bandwidth during all calls to prevent other traffic (primarily HSD traffic from the same customer's home) from affecting call quality. The traffic is separated at the headend and travels a route-diverse fiber ring back to our partner Sprint. The voice traffic never traverses the Internet nor any "public" network of any kind. The voice traffic does travel with HSD traffic (logically separated) from the home to our headend. From there on it travels on physically-separated networks until it terminates at the PSTN. We also use our own circuits into every rate center and 911 center. We build 100% into LOCAL 911, never relying on regional or failover centers. We also provision full E911 in all areas where the local 911 center supports it. We use the universally-accepted G711 codec (another ITU spec) which supports virtually any voice, fax or data communication. We have tested with and are approved for use with many top security companies including ADT (we are what they reference on their website as a Qualified "Managed Facility Voice Network" or MFVN.) We also deploy all our eMTAs with 8hr battery backup.

In contrast, what many people "think of" as VOIP is the Vonage or Skype products. That is based on SIP, has no QOS or route diversity and always travels on public networks (most notably the Internet.) They also have a somewhat sketchy record for 911 support and are not recommended for many uses including security.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420453 Fri, 02 May 2008 10:18:07 EDT Re: [Phone] Confused http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20419251 acoustix :

said by drslash

said by glop233

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It's completely different from VoIP solutions like Vonage ..... voice traffic gets split off on a separate IP network.

Yes Mediacom's voice offering is different than that of Vonage and the like, but Greysquirrel's original question was if Mediacom's voice service is VoIP. Technically it is and the CSR he spoke to appears to be misinformed. She might not have "her head up her butt", but she didn't appear to provide accurate information either.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20405622 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:43:27 EDT Re: Confused http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20404861 glop233 : It's completely different from VoIP solutions like Vonage. Basically, it's PacketCable (»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PacketCable) from the cable modem to the CMTS. It's got dedicated bandwidth for both signalling and the call data itself. Once it gets to the CMTS, voice traffic gets split off on a separate IP network. There's no mix of Internet traffic with voice traffic, except on that very first hop from your cable modem to the CMTS.

Obviously, maintenance that affects your CMTS would potentially affect your voice service. This is no different than maintenance that affects your voice switch, if you stick with a landline provider like Qwest. I've had Mediacom voice service for about a year and a half, and the only problems I had were with a major power outage that outlived the battery in the MTA, and during an ice storm that knocked down cable lines in the neighborhood.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20404861 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:32:10 EDT Re: [Phone] Confused http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20403684 burner50 : If you wanted to get technical Mediacom is truly VoIP and things like vonage and skype are an Internet phone...

the traffic is in the same physical channel... just has QOS associated with it that gets separated at the headend from the regular internet traffic.
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16.60 phone line
9.95 features
6.99 unlimited LD
8.19 taxes and fees
41.73 total
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How is Mediacom phone different than
Internet phone service?

There are a few fundamental differences between the two types
of service, but the most important is quality of service and privacy.
Mediacom phone does not connect your calls via the public
Internet. Unlike VoIP (i.e., Vonage) service, Mediacom phone
service uses a combination of Mediacom’s broadband network,
Sprint’s state-of-the-art digital network and the Public Switched
Telephone Network (PSTN.) This guarantees the quality of the
network that carries your voice signal and provides a crisp, clear
digital voice service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402593 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:55:51 EDT Re: [Phone] Confused http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402586 Anonymous : What telco? Sounds like a good deal. The last time I had Qwest it was basic unlimited local service with no added features and it was around $21/mo. They increased it to about $24 around the time I canceled.

So in my case, Qwest offers far less value compared to Mediacom.

My phone uptime is pretty close to 99.999%. In other words I don't remember the last time I had an issue or a dropped all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402586 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:53:38 EDT Re: [Phone] Confused http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402516 drslash : I pay $10 extra per month for my POTS line with unlimited long distance and calling features not offered by Mediacom, no 911 issues, up time better than 5 nines (99.999). I have never seen the appeal of Mediacom phone service that is only $10 less per month that what I currently pay for my traditional land line.
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With Mediacom Phone this never happens. This alone is worth $5 extra I pay each month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402476 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:31:47 EDT Re: [Phone] Confused http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402337 cfossy : But trust me there is a HUGE difference when comparing Mediacom and true VoIP like Vonage. True VoIP does not work well with data services like faxing. It also doesent do well when transfering large files, from what i have been told Mediacom phone has dedicated bandwith?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402337 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:03:10 EDT Re: [Phone] Confused http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401778 Anonymous : Best description would be hybrid VoIP I guess. Either way it's not compatible with some equipment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401778 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:10:28 EDT Re: [Phone] Confused http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401749 openbox9 : I may not have described it totally. Yes it ultimately ties into the PSTN via Sprint (?). Does Mediacom peer with Sprint in each market or is voice traffic tunneled over Mediacom's backbone which is leased from AT&T? Regardless of whether the voice data hits the Internet or not, if Mediacom is using IP to transfer voice, then the service is VoIP. Either way, Mediacom's voice service isn't POTS in the traditional sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401749 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:04:18 EDT Re: [Phone] Confused http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401526 drslash : I don't think that is an accurate description either. From what I understand the call from the home goes over Mediacom's network to the head end and is then connected to the service provider (Sprint?). The call does not hit the open internet anywhere on the path and is not considered VOIP.
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Now I would like to know if she is right and Mediacom phone is not VOIP or has she her head up he butt? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20399699 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:03:48 EDT