wifi4milez
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Re: CoC & ROI
said by N3OGH  :10 years from now, Comcast is going to be in a similar position to Verizon. Except it will be Comcast bleeding TV subs to Verizon, and not Verizon bleeding land lines to Digital Voice, and other VoIP offerings. Then Comcast will be installing FTTH. Except 10 years from now, it will cost significantly more for them to do it. I disagree. In 10 years the cost to roll out fiber will actually be much cheaper than it is today. Look at Verizon's FIOS rollout; their cost per sub is already down more than 20% in the past 2 or 3 years, and continues to go down as equipment and plant prices drop. As fiber becomes more of a "mainstream" option for carriers, the prices will get so low that using copper will actually be more expensive to deploy (that will take more than 10 years however).
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| said by wifi4milez :I disagree. In 10 years the cost to roll out fiber will actually be much cheaper than it is today. Look at Verizon's FIOS rollout; their cost per sub is already down more than 20% in the past 2 or 3 years, and continues to go down as equipment and plant prices drop. As fiber becomes more of a "mainstream" option for carriers, the prices will get so low that using copper will actually be more expensive to deploy (that will take more than 10 years however). The cost of the fiber optical cable and equipment may very well go down but the cost of labor won't. Verizon costs per sub have gone down because their farther along the learning curve. If the cost of the labor was zero most of us would probably have FTTP today. |
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TScheisskopf
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Belvidere, NJ | The way things are going, I would think that a national cost for labor of 0 should be achieved by 4th quarter, 08.  |
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N10Cities
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said by Sammer :said by wifi4milez :I disagree. In 10 years the cost to roll out fiber will actually be much cheaper than it is today. Look at Verizon's FIOS rollout; their cost per sub is already down more than 20% in the past 2 or 3 years, and continues to go down as equipment and plant prices drop. As fiber becomes more of a "mainstream" option for carriers, the prices will get so low that using copper will actually be more expensive to deploy (that will take more than 10 years however). The cost of the fiber optical cable and equipment may very well go down but the cost of labor won't. Verizon costs per sub have gone down because their farther along the learning curve. If the cost of the labor was zero most of us would probably have FTTP today. And your point is?? Should these techs be working for free? Install techs gotta put food on the table and pay bills like the rest of us.  Cost of labor to install fiber will then be equal to copper once the costs come down on the hardware. Wouldn't be any excuse for the ILECs to not install fiber then... |
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compton
join:2002-02-08
Brooklyn, NY
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said by wifi4milez :said by N3OGH :10 years from now, Comcast is going to be in a similar position to Verizon. Except it will be Comcast bleeding TV subs to Verizon, and not Verizon bleeding land lines to Digital Voice, and other VoIP offerings. Then Comcast will be installing FTTH. Except 10 years from now, it will cost significantly more for them to do it. I disagree. In 10 years the cost to roll out fiber will actually be much cheaper than it is today. Look at Verizon's FIOS rollout; their cost per sub is already down more than 20% in the past 2 or 3 years, and continues to go down as equipment and plant prices drop. As fiber becomes more of a "mainstream" option for carriers, the prices will get so low that using copper will actually be more expensive to deploy (that will take more than 10 years however).
Have you seen the price of copper recently. People are stealing utility power lines for the copper. They are also stealing the catalytic converters off of cars for the copper. Copper prices are going up while fiber prices are going down. If the trend continues, I predict in 5 years or less it will be cheaper to run fiber cables than copper cables. At that time it would be better for the cable companies to sell their copper cables and replace it with fiber; that is, if copper thieves don't get to them first. |
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MacLeech
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SoCal
1 edit | Coax cables are mainly aluminum and foam. The copper is only a microns thick layer on top of an aluminum center conductor.
Due to the foam, plastic jacket, and other man made materials in the cable, I can't see it being especially cost effective to sell or steal. I'm sure most thieves are pissed when they realize there's hardly any copper in it.
They're even more pissed when they cut into fiber thinking it's copper wire though.... |
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CColon
join:2008-04-20
Philadelphia, PA | I am pretty sure the whole conductor is copper. But, what do I know? I just work with the stuff every single day... |
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MacLeech
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A cross section of 500 coax cable I just cut out yesterday... | 
Snapshot of 500 spec sheet from Commscope | P3 500 JCA.pdf
Actual Commscope spec sheet |
said by CColon :I am pretty sure the whole conductor is copper. But, what do I know? I just work with the stuff every single day... Unless you're working with long coax runs to satellite (LNBs need power) or other coax applications that use frequencies below 10 Mhz, having the entire center conductor made of copper is a waste of money...
I'd check your cable again. |
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