Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! in Verizon Fiber Optics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20407057 en Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:08:12 EDT Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:08:12 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20505714 patcat88 :
said by Gog123 See Profile :

Verizon FIOS by 2014 is still just a pipe dream for those who really want it.
2014 is the law for NYC. Its in the franchise agreement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20505714 Mon, 19 May 2008 10:54:50 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20497655 Gog123 : Time Warner said it's testing Docsis 3.0 in several market and plans deployment in 2009. This was announced on 5/16/08.

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FIOS will not even be here if it even arrives by 2014 and yet Time Warner will be able to provide me full Docsis 3.0 by 2009 which in my opinion is just as good since it doesn't require any new installs and just requires a modem swap and will provide much faster speeds over what I have now where my modem is working great 24/7.

I never even heard of broadband caps on Time Warner. For me its a residential connection and so caps are irrelevant since I wont even get close to a figure of 40Gigs ever if they even had such a thing which I never even heard of till you mentioned it. However Time Warner will indeed allow people the bandwidth they want if you pay for it as they have residential and business class connections and if they even do have a cap which I dont know then I am most likely certain you could pay for additional bandwidth with them.

I believe NYC could be one of the test markets. In fact I am planning on emailing them right now to ask if its being tested in my market and if I can signup for the test.

You don't even understand that Docsis 3.0 vs GPON is just different delivery mechanisms. There is a ton of spectrum available over that coaxial pipe which only extends a very short range. Time Warner in fact is adding fiber into its network continually and splitting nodes and getting them closer to the end user.

I will use the case of my own complex. It is a highrise MDU fed with 540+ units. We had a node feeding our building from the rear which is still hooked up. We then got a node split in the front from a next door neighboring node. This year I have seen work being done in the area as well feeding more fiber optic cable into the system by us in the front. I saw a truck by the neighboring node and there was also a truck in front of our complex so work could have been done over here as well. While the node locations have not changed, I believe more fiber was fed into the system. Copper in the last run from the building to the node right in front of the building does not alter the speed of the service as there is oodles of available spectrum on the very short run coaxial.

The reason Verizon is going to GPON is not because it is better than what the cable cos have. It is because it fit into their existing infrastructure. If Verizon had to build out from scratch, it went to GPON. Time Warner already had a fiber optics rich based system which has far surpassed the old hat coaxial plant of yesteryear with single one way amplifiers. In fact most of the copper has already been replaced with fiber optics here. We are fiber optics right to the front. If Time Warner does need to split node again to get fiber closer because coaxial is limited by speed it will do it, but as of today technology exists for shortrange coaxial to make the speeds on par with GPON. Fiber optics can carry a fast signal a very long range. Coaxial is limited to shorter range.

We will see very high speeds on Docsis 3.0 which will be the next evolution in speed.

I quote from Doug Semon "If you can do 100 Mbps symmetrically, you can do some things that are really cool," said Doug Semon, vice president of technologies and standards for Time Warner Cable."

Therefore 100Mbps symmetrical on Time Warner Cable does indeed look doable on Docsis 3.0 for the future.

Ethernet speed of 100Mbps over broadband symmetrical would be an awesome speed for awhile. As of today it sounds like a drool speed. But in the future even Time Warner Cable will surpass 100Mbps.

Verizon FIOS by 2014 is still just a pipe dream for those who really want it.

Update: At this time Time Warner Cable is not Beta Testing Docsis 3.0 in the New York City Market.

Seems like I got a quick reply. But its still on track for 2009 deployment. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20497655 Sat, 17 May 2008 11:47:32 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463781 ztmike : Roadrunner, as far as I know..hasn't even announced plans for Docsis 3, hell that rumor while back about them capping people at 40gigs? Good luck with that, Comcast on the other hand has the money to do it, they are already launching Docsis 3 in MN with 50/5..but still FiOs is ahead of the game.

This is a wait and see approach to see what the future holds..

Edit: Just today Comcast increased my upload speed to 1meg for free, and there is no competition like that in my area..
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It also seems a lot of people don't realize verizon only had dsl and the distance and speed limitations just don't cut it. They would stand to loose many of their customers to cable not only for internet, but also phone as well. The only solution is to upgrade.
Now they could have went hybrid fiber/coax like the cable co's but if they have to do a complete build out anyway, why not run all fiber? The cost of each is probably similar and fiber would provide more bandwidth. Hybrid networks have limitations, the coax must provide data + video over a single wire. Verizon uses 3 seperate wavelengths for data and video, its like having 3 wires to your house for upstream, downstream and video.
With the limitations on coax where is cable going to be in a few years when everyone has HD tv's and faster computers demanding more bandwidth?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463631 Sat, 10 May 2008 23:31:03 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462652 Cogdis : I can't wait to drop twc.
I like the wimax, but not bundled with twc cable that offers 512 upload.

If TWC even STARTS CONSIDERING docsis 3.0 at a competitive price, then maybe I'll START CONSIDERING a return to cable.
Fios is already built here in my little corner of queens, so as soon as they flick that switch I'm gone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462652 Sat, 10 May 2008 18:50:45 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20425841 MrSpock29 :
said by CurGeorge8 See Profile :

They did the exact same thing in the neighborhood I live in. The older parts of town were wired first, because their lines were on above ground poles. Even though the nicer parts have much bigger houses ($1M - $2M+), it's much cheaper to string up lines on poles that to go digging up everyone's front yards.
It has also been the case here, above ground will get worked on first, as it is fastest and easiest. In fact, someone I saw this morning said she noticed that the ground was being dug up in parts of Washington Twp, NJ, but part of that area already has service. My guess is, it was the above ground portions closest to the CO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20425841 Sat, 03 May 2008 12:52:04 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20425619 Gog123 : First the City has to get the franchise agreement in place and finish the existing areas. Then maybe they will get to the rest of it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20425619 Sat, 03 May 2008 11:55:17 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20425365 CurGeorge8 :
said by sporkme See Profile :

said by noping See Profile :

said by mnl1121 See Profile :

no way, by 2014 i bet ALL verizon costumers will easily have fiber (or rather access to fiber).
You seriously believe that Verizon is going to invest money by deploying fiber to poor urban areas or other "unprofitable" locations?
That is just what they did where I used to live - the town was very upscale for the most part (mostly $1M+ homes), yet the end of town that was "urban" was wired up and live first. Last time I drove through, they actually had quite a few takers too, judging by the number of drops going from pole to home.
They did the exact same thing in the neighborhood I live in. The older parts of town were wired first, because their lines were on above ground poles. Even though the nicer parts have much bigger houses ($1M - $2M+), it's much cheaper to string up lines on poles that to go digging up everyone's front yards.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20425365 Sat, 03 May 2008 10:31:53 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20421660 PoloDude : Cant he go to the public library?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20421660 Fri, 02 May 2008 14:23:43 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20421620 Gog123 : Will homeless shelters in NYC get access to FIOS?

My friend worked in the financial sector and lost his job and became homeless so now hes looking for homeless shelters to live in.

Would be nice if Verizon would give out free FIOS to homeless shelters so that there could be computers inside to help the homeless get back on their feet. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20421620 Fri, 02 May 2008 14:15:12 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20421165 wmcbrine :
said by noping See Profile :

You seriously believe that Verizon is going to invest money by deploying fiber to poor urban areas or other "unprofitable" locations?
Well, it does save them on long-term maintenance.

Of course, there's more than one way to get Fios to all Verizon customers. For example, they could just sell off the customers they don't want to hook up. Then they wouldn't be Verizon customers, and wouldn't count against the total. (I note for the record that they're actually doing this, too.)

So, in other words, it's no promise that any given (current) customer will ever get Fios, just a statement that it's Verizon's intent to move their landlines (the ones they keep) to Fios, only. I think this was already known, BTW.
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said by dhudson1984 See Profile :

A buddy that I race online with works for VZ FIOS and I told him I wish I had it. He told me that ALL VZ customers would receive FIOS by 2014. I'm not sure if that is every single VZ household or just the parts of the states that they can get it in. I take it that it would be every VZ customer within their teritories b/c he said "Everyone will have it by 2014".
there's all kinds of predictions for 2014, the Aztecs say the world end then, so does Nostradamus, now Verizon will have fiber to all by then, my prediction is we will wise up by then, give up oil and nuclear power use only solar cells and wind power , and only electric cars will be made that get 300 miles to a recharge.

good luck waiting and DON'T drink the coolade]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420987 Fri, 02 May 2008 12:03:40 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20419365 anon : Who Cares fios is nothing but a rip off........I was told it was better than dish and not even close. You guys can have it....I am so upset right now ........I'm supposed to subscribe to fios to get espn..I didn't have to do that with dish and the hd picture was great.......I'm sorry I let that little jerk talk me into changing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20419365 Fri, 02 May 2008 00:26:12 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20414207 Gog123 : No fiber for NYC. Sorry.....

Verizon FIOS will never make it to my area, not even by 2014 in all likelyhood. I have honest doubts.

Verizon is just one company of many. Whatever the incumbent cableco Time Warner has will be far superior infrastructure for some time to come. In fact, Time Warner did node work to the node before the one where my node was split from just the other day. Im not sure what work was done and if my own node was affected since my service never went down during this time. Verizon has not even laid a single fiber optics line here as its all copper POTS infrastructure still.

I find the 2014 date overly optimistic and I don't hold up hopes for FIOS by this date. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20414207 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:54:37 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20412019 mnl1121 :
said by noping See Profile :

said by mnl1121 See Profile :

no way, by 2014 i bet ALL verizon costumers will easily have fiber (or rather access to fiber).
You seriously believe that Verizon is going to invest money by deploying fiber to poor urban areas or other "unprofitable" locations?
well thats the thing, fiber by 2014 is going to be so cheap for them to lay down that they have no reason not to invest their money in the poorer areas. If its affordable enough ppl are going to pay for the service and Verizon is going to make a profit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20412019 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:42:43 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20411546 Jeffrey :
said by KA3SGM See Profile :

said by dhudson1984 See Profile :

A buddy that I race online with works for VZ FIOS and I told him I wish I had it. He told me that ALL VZ customers would receive FIOS by 2014. I'm not sure if that is every single VZ household or just the parts of the states that they can get it in. I take it that it would be every VZ customer within their teritories b/c he said "Everyone will have it by 2014".
I believe the comment was made recently concerning the New York City franchise being 100% built out by 2014, not all of Verizon's territories.
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So I guess you could say I have access.

Its not about the technology. We all the know the technology will get better but keep in mind it still cost money to run all this fiber. Your talking alot of man hours installing it. Thi is where the true cost is and always will be.

There are many, many rural areas that will never see fiber in the next 20 years. Those areas will be served by either WiMax, LTE or some other technolgy that is developed in the future.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20408195 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:50:59 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20407586 dhudson1984 : no, i told him i wish i had fios here in wv. he said all of us will have it by 2014.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20407586 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:34:08 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20407057 KA3SGM :
said by dhudson1984 See Profile :

A buddy that I race online with works for VZ FIOS and I told him I wish I had it. He told me that ALL VZ customers would receive FIOS by 2014. I'm not sure if that is every single VZ household or just the parts of the states that they can get it in. I take it that it would be every VZ customer within their teritories b/c he said "Everyone will have it by 2014".
I believe the comment was made recently concerning the New York City franchise being 100% built out by 2014, not all of Verizon's territories.
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said by noping See Profile :

said by mnl1121 See Profile :

no way, by 2014 i bet ALL verizon costumers will easily have fiber (or rather access to fiber).
You seriously believe that Verizon is going to invest money by deploying fiber to poor urban areas or other "unprofitable" locations?
That is just what they did where I used to live - the town was very upscale for the most part (mostly $1M+ homes), yet the end of town that was "urban" was wired up and live first. Last time I drove through, they actually had quite a few takers too, judging by the number of drops going from pole to home.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20403500 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:03:12 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20403216 noping :
said by mnl1121 See Profile :

no way, by 2014 i bet ALL verizon costumers will easily have fiber (or rather access to fiber).
You seriously believe that Verizon is going to invest money by deploying fiber to poor urban areas or other "unprofitable" locations?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20403216 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:00:09 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402702 mnl1121 : no way, by 2014 i bet ALL verizon costumers will easily have fiber (or rather access to fiber). In 2014 technology is going to be way more advanced and fiber will be a hell of a lot cheaper and more affordable. I doubt that FiOS wouldn't reach every household by 2014 at all. I am not saying everyone will have it im just saying they could have access to it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402702 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:16:05 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402692 dhudson1984 : Yes, that is what I was thinking. It couldn't be every single household.. If its close to 80% then I should be looking forward to it by then. Where I am is really not considered as a rural area, but it is just outside of the Charleston City limits. We will see once they are ready to roll it out where they will go with it. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20402692 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:14:37 EDT Re: FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401941 anon : Wrong.....Not everyone will have FiOS. It's just unrealistic that VZ will put fiber in every rural area. Rural areas will still depend on copper and wireless for voice and data.

Economically it just doesn't make sense. VZ will blanket roughly 80% of there current customer base by then with fiber. The remaining 20% will be screwed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401941 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:38:03 EDT FIOS to all by 2014?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20400107 dhudson1984 : A buddy that I race online with works for VZ FIOS and I told him I wish I had it. He told me that ALL VZ customers would receive FIOS by 2014. I'm not sure if that is every single VZ household or just the parts of the states that they can get it in. I take it that it would be every VZ customer within their teritories b/c he said "Everyone will have it by 2014".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20400107 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:13:51 EDT