Re: Why so much money? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20416114 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:49:13 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:49:13 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420005 openbox9 :
said by a333 See Profile :

er..... you backup a DVD ONTO your EXISTING hard drive
Ok, so backup your iTunes library onto your existing hard drive, or even a second hard drive if you're that paranoid and/or don't want to use CD/DVD media.
said by a333 See Profile :

Itunes: $15/download + a couple of hours download + extra DVD required to backup the download and hours of frustration trying to get past the DRM
You don't need to get past the DRM...unless of course you're trying to get outside of iTunes. Which if that's the case, don't purchase from the iTunes Store ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420005 Fri, 02 May 2008 08:20:53 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20418792 a333 : er..... you backup a DVD ONTO your EXISTING hard drive, so unless your hard drive is pitifully small, you get much better value for your money than iTunes DL:
Itunes: $15/download + a couple of hours download + extra DVD required to backup the download and hours of frustration trying to get past the DRM

DVD: About $16 + Copies onto existing HD + encryption (if any) easily bypassed (just use AnyDVD or something like that)

Decisions, decisions...........]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20418792 Thu, 01 May 2008 22:27:02 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20418068 jc100 : Yep/ Thats what I was implying. I'd rather own a hard copy for nearly the same price than a protected version with half the benefits. (DRM, MEDIA LIMITATIONS, NO BOOKLETS, CASE, ETC)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20418068 Thu, 01 May 2008 19:36:49 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20417493 Anonymous_ :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Actually ownership of said DVD gives you the right to:

Make legal backups (not to be shared)
View privately within the confines of your home
Watch said DVD on multiple mediums
etc

DRM =
Can't make legal backup
Often limited to number of devices one can play it on
Cannot make hard copy of said movie
Don't get movie inserts, booklets, and extras

Hummm which would you rather pick?
but with an rental i can copy it then play it back anytime i wantall for only 3.50

or for 5.50 for an HD rental]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20417493 Thu, 01 May 2008 17:04:02 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20417404 openbox9 : The original debate was between the benefits of "owning" an Apple iTunes movie and "owning" a physical DVD. Either way you need a DVD writer and blank media to facilitate a backup mechanism. What am I missing?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20417404 Thu, 01 May 2008 16:39:26 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416810 RARPSL :
said by karlmarx See Profile :

I mean I can't see 'paying' $14.99 for a movie I don't even own? That's right, DRM means YOU DON'T OWN IT, you 'rent' it at their discretion. I mean, you can get the exact same movie at the store for probably $15.99. Does the low quality, low bitrate, restricted version really mean it's worth $14.99. Why in the world would anyone pay that kind of money, when they can get a MUCH HIGHER quality DVD rip from their local torrent site BEFORE the movie even gets to the store? Granted, 25% of the US is retarded, which is how republicans get votes, but no one in their right mind should ever PAY for something you don't even own. At least if you buy the DVD, you can do with it what you want. Rip it, Copy it, Back it up, Share it.


That extra $1 also gets you all the DVD extras such as being able to jump to a section of the movie (via the Scenes Menu), Making Of extras, Commentary about the movie, etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416810 Thu, 01 May 2008 14:31:57 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416689 roadsrunning : Bah, you first need a dvd writer, then a dvd-rw holds about 4.5 gigs of data. So if you have a 50 gig collection then you need 11 discs. What a PITA.

Guess it rules out Apple. Makes VUDU look better and better everyday. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416689 Thu, 01 May 2008 14:05:29 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416499 openbox9 :
said by roadsrunning See Profile :

So how do you backup your copy if it has "copy protection" on it?
Just like any other iTunes DRM'd purchase ;)

»www.apple.com/support/itunes/store/movies/
»support.apple.com/kb/HT1382]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416499 Thu, 01 May 2008 13:26:58 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416463 roadsrunning : So how do you backup your copy if it has "copy protection" on it?

Seems to me that something doesn't feel right about this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416463 Thu, 01 May 2008 13:21:10 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416424 openbox9 :
said by roadsrunning See Profile :

If it means they will store my movie for me forever and I can access it at any time as long as I have an internet connection and an "authorized" computer I don't see much harm in this for the price they want.
It's your responsibility to conduct your own backup...just like if you "backup" your purchased DVDs.
said by roadsrunning See Profile :

However if they want my money they will have to come out with HD Movies for download, then I will look closer.
Not available yet, but most likely be available at some point in time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416424 Thu, 01 May 2008 13:15:00 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416307 openbox9 :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Actually ownership of said DVD gives you the right to:

Make legal backups (not to be shared)
View privately within the confines of your home
Watch said DVD on multiple mediums
etc
You have the same capabilities with iTunes stuff, so your "ownership" concern is minimalized.
said by jc100 See Profile :

Hummm which would you rather pick?
Probably the same one that I do...the physical media. Personally, I don't understand the draw to iTunes for movies given the lack of cost advantage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416307 Thu, 01 May 2008 12:55:20 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416301 Matt :
said by roadsrunning See Profile :

If it means they will store my movie for me forever and I can access it at any time as long as I have an internet connection and an "authorized" computer I don't see much harm in this for the price they want.

However if they want my money they will have to come out with HD Movies for download, then I will look closer.
Just like Wal-Mart doesn't provide you with a shelf to store your DVD's, neither does iTunes. It's your responsibility to maintain a copy of the movie you download.

I don't buy movies from iTunes because I can't stream it to my 360 and I don't think they offer HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416301 Thu, 01 May 2008 12:54:24 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416248 roadsrunning : If it means they will store my movie for me forever and I can access it at any time as long as I have an internet connection and an "authorized" computer I don't see much harm in this for the price they want.

However if they want my money they will have to come out with HD Movies for download, then I will look closer. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416248 Thu, 01 May 2008 12:46:19 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416204 Matt :
said by CapinPete See Profile :

said by openbox9 See Profile :

You "own" this movie just as much regarldess of whether you purchase/download via iTunes or a DVD from your local Wal-Mart.
I think what he means by "own" is physical possession of the media. If I buy a movie at Wal-Mart I can sell it on eBay or a garage sale if I want to in a couple of weeks. By downloading the movie through iTunes, you can't do this. I can also take the movie purchased at Wal-Mart and play it on my portable DVD player, the DVD player in my van, etc. $5 bucks is much more reasonable for these "rentals" because that is exactly what they are.
iTunes allows you to authorize up to 5 devices that can play media downloaded through a specific account. So you can watch it in your car if you want to pay to hook a computer or AppleTV up in your car.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416204 Thu, 01 May 2008 12:37:33 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416195 Matt :
said by cbrigante2 See Profile :

said by karlmarx See Profile :

I mean I can't see 'paying' $14.99 for a movie I don't even own? That's right, DRM means YOU DON'T OWN IT, you 'rent' it at their discretion. I mean, you can get the exact same movie at the store for probably $15.99. Does the low quality, low bitrate, restricted version really mean it's worth $14.99. Why in the world would anyone pay that kind of money, when they can get a MUCH HIGHER quality DVD rip from their local torrent site BEFORE the movie even gets to the store? Granted, 25% of the US is retarded, which is how republicans get votes, but no one in their right mind should ever PAY for something you don't even own. At least if you buy the DVD, you can do with it what you want. Rip it, Copy it, Back it up, Share it.

I think if you get into the letter of the law, you would be surprised what you are legally entitled to do with DVDs that you own as well. I'm not saying I agree with it, just that DRM is everywhere there is content.
Not to mention a DVD is also encrypted with CSS. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416195 Thu, 01 May 2008 12:35:33 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416135 CapinPete :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

You "own" this movie just as much regarldess of whether you purchase/download via iTunes or a DVD from your local Wal-Mart.
I think what he means by "own" is physical possession of the media. If I buy a movie at Wal-Mart I can sell it on eBay or a garage sale if I want to in a couple of weeks. By downloading the movie through iTunes, you can't do this. I can also take the movie purchased at Wal-Mart and play it on my portable DVD player, the DVD player in my van, etc. $5 bucks is much more reasonable for these "rentals" because that is exactly what they are.
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Make legal backups (not to be shared)
View privately within the confines of your home
Watch said DVD on multiple mediums
etc

DRM =
Can't make legal backup
Often limited to number of devices one can play it on
Cannot make hard copy of said movie
Don't get movie inserts, booklets, and extras

Hummm which would you rather pick?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20416009 Thu, 01 May 2008 12:01:33 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20415990 openbox9 :
said by karlmarx See Profile :

Why in the world would anyone pay that kind of money, when they can get a MUCH HIGHER quality DVD rip from their local torrent site BEFORE the movie even gets to the store?
Because a lot of people don't really care about quality and they've consumed too much iTunes Kool-Aid.
said by karlmarx See Profile :

but no one in their right mind should ever PAY for something you don't even own.
You "own" this movie just as much regarldess of whether you purchase/download via iTunes or a DVD from your local Wal-Mart.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20415990 Thu, 01 May 2008 11:59:13 EDT Re: Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20415973 cbrigante2 :
said by karlmarx See Profile :

I mean I can't see 'paying' $14.99 for a movie I don't even own? That's right, DRM means YOU DON'T OWN IT, you 'rent' it at their discretion. I mean, you can get the exact same movie at the store for probably $15.99. Does the low quality, low bitrate, restricted version really mean it's worth $14.99. Why in the world would anyone pay that kind of money, when they can get a MUCH HIGHER quality DVD rip from their local torrent site BEFORE the movie even gets to the store? Granted, 25% of the US is retarded, which is how republicans get votes, but no one in their right mind should ever PAY for something you don't even own. At least if you buy the DVD, you can do with it what you want. Rip it, Copy it, Back it up, Share it.

I think if you get into the letter of the law, you would be surprised what you are legally entitled to do with DVDs that you own as well. I'm not saying I agree with it, just that DRM is everywhere there is content.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20415973 Thu, 01 May 2008 11:56:09 EDT Why so much money? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20415902 karlmarx : I mean I can't see 'paying' $14.99 for a movie I don't even own? That's right, DRM means YOU DON'T OWN IT, you 'rent' it at their discretion. I mean, you can get the exact same movie at the store for probably $15.99. Does the low quality, low bitrate, restricted version really mean it's worth $14.99. Why in the world would anyone pay that kind of money, when they can get a MUCH HIGHER quality DVD rip from their local torrent site BEFORE the movie even gets to the store? Granted, 25% of the US is retarded, which is how republicans get votes, but no one in their right mind should ever PAY for something you don't even own. At least if you buy the DVD, you can do with it what you want. Rip it, Copy it, Back it up, Share it.

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