How do you like Hardy? in All Things Unix http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20417041 en Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:11:22 EDT Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:11:22 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20508733 anon :
said by RobNyc See Profile :

Ubuntu's latest nvidia driver is the 169.xx , where in pclinuxos latest is 171.xx.
Beware of this driver with dual-core cpus and certain nVidia cards. I have a Athlon X2 5600+ with a GEForce 8600GT and it causes gui and system freezes on a regular basis: sometimes several an hour and at least a half-dozen times a day on my machine. Sometimes I can ssh in from another machine kill gdm and then restart it, other times it takes hitting the power reset button to get out of it.

I wasn't aware of this until last night, but there's a few threads on the nVidia Linux forum about this issue. The problem is more prevalent with Intel's dual cores, but it seems to affect both AMD and Intel. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20508733 Mon, 19 May 2008 20:40:09 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20506556 Paulg : I've been using hardy and KDE4 for about a week, and I haven't had too much trouble, aside from one oddity with Plasma.

When I change it from its default size to tiny, it "wraps" around to the top of the screen.. I don't know if I'm explaining that well, I can provide a screencap if that isnt clear.

Has anyone else had that problem?
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I game with wine (City of Heroes & Guild Wars), and aside from a few glitches on the AF, it looks good to me.
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said by Maccawolf See Profile :

My Nvidia came up as an unsupported driver. so I installed that. (it's an older model though. I don't GAME or anything.)
Same here, and it seems to work without any performance or stability issues.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20500824 Sun, 18 May 2008 08:04:58 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20499646 Maccawolf : My Nvidia came up as an unsupported driver. so I installed that. (it's an older model though. I don't GAME or anything.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20499646 Sat, 17 May 2008 21:32:38 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20499207 RobNyc : What do you guys use for the nvidia drivers?
I searched for ENVY on synaptic and used that. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20499207 Sat, 17 May 2008 19:24:59 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20499135 Paul928 : No problems here....Been running it for about two weeks now, with no issues at all so far. I did the install with the Wubi installer and I am pretty impressed with Wubi in itself! So far so good, and Hardy has been fast, responsive, and very stable,........ at least for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20499135 Sat, 17 May 2008 19:05:46 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481035 Maccawolf : AND Derspankster See Profile

It never did that for me before and I think 6.10 was my first version of Ubuntu.

I will check out gconf when I get home....TNX]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20481035 Wed, 14 May 2008 12:21:57 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20479824 Derspankster :
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said by Maccawolf See Profile :

and I REALLY don't like that when I mount a drive it appears on my desktop til I unmount it.
I think that's the default gnome behavior (at least since I installed ubuntu 6.10)

I remember removing this with gconf editor, however I'm not in front of the linux box, so I can't tell you where it is in gconf-editor. Probably somewhere in the nautilus settings...
Alt+F2 to bring up a dialog box. Enter gconf-editor. From there the path is apps > nautilus > desktop. Uncheck volumes visible.
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said by Maccawolf See Profile :

and I REALLY don't like that when I mount a drive it appears on my desktop til I unmount it.
I think that's the default gnome behavior (at least since I installed ubuntu 6.10)

I remember removing this with gconf editor, however I'm not in front of the linux box, so I can't tell you where it is in gconf-editor. Probably somewhere in the nautilus settings...
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I too have had a sound problem with the sound being about 10% lower than 7.10.

The other thing I REALLY hate is that when SEARCHING for a file, the dialog box that comes up when you are searching for WHATEVER, no longer shows you ALL YOUR MEDIA in the left hand pane. You can no longer search MY COMPUTER..... ( I like being able to search my fat32 stuff too.....)
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Well, I finally found the time to upgrade, and like many my feelings are mixed. It took a lot longer than estimated to complete - 2.5 hours - and that's after the initial rush has surely worn off. The system seems a little quicker, certainly browsing seems so, but it's too soon to say for sure. Even though I chose to retain everything I was given the option for, many of my settings were ignored or changed. No major fubar's so far, except I can't get glipper to run, and I use that quite often. Not sure how I feel about Firefox 3, and it wiped out my Firefox 2 so I can't use that (although it did retain most of my profile settings and bookmarks). I'm going to keep it for a more thorough shakedown, but it's easy for me to image this and revert if things get hinky. If I didn't have that option I might be more critical.

On the whole, it could have been worse, but it seems a bit unfinished, especially for LTS.

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The good: wine is extremely easy to use now, I didn't even have to configure it after installing; the one Windows app I use with it is almost flawless. I'm one of the few who are glad Hardy went live with FF 3.0b5. Setting a desktop background from FF doesn't work, though. Suspension and hibernation work. Power management in general seems better. Network Manager seems to be vastly improved. I didn't expect it to actually configure and use WPA supplicant once my wireless driver situation was sorted out.

That's about it. Hopefully everyone else isn't as lazy as I am about submitting and updating bugs!
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Fresh install may be fine, but upgrade leaves much to be desired.... and sadly FAR below WIN propblem.

(not an absolute but my experience)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20467703 Sun, 11 May 2008 23:20:43 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462330 Derspankster : I just did a fresh install of Hardy on one of my brother's computer. Everything is basically functional. The Nividia driver is pretty much junk. Need to play with that a bit. Open Office 2.4 is a big improvement over 2.3. Sound works without issue. FF3 is OK but if you have a bunch of extensions you've come to depend on forget that for now. I'm sure they'll come sooner or later.

Bottom line for me. I've done one fresh Hardy-server install now that has been flawless so far. My brother's desktop install is OK but video is an issue. I also did an upgrade on my laptop that went fine. Still can't believe Canonical released a LTR with a beta browser though!

My main desktop is going to stay with Gutsy for awhile though. The only thing I'd really like to upgrade is Open Office.
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In addition FF3 is so damn slow!

Btw, I had a crash related to NVDIA graphics driver. I would probably have to update it.

Does anyone know how to do that?

Thanks in advance.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455153 Fri, 09 May 2008 03:28:36 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451260 Derspankster :
said by TechieZero See Profile :

said by Derspankster See Profile :

I built a new server and installed Hardy-server on it. I've had no issue with Samba.
Right, my point exactly. You built a new machine and freshly installed Hardy. I don't want to take the time to go through another reinstall as it seems that the "upgrade" path, needs a little work.
You very well could be right. Although. I did do an upgrade of my laptop (which is essentially my test machine) and had no issues. I went from Gutsy to Hardy via the Beta and upgraded to final. Wireless continued to work and I never had any Samba issues with the Laptop either.

Perhaps I was just lucky. From what I've read, many others have not been that fortunate. For that reason I'm going to do a fresh install on my desktop. However, I'm holding off to let the smoke clear for a bit. The desktop is running nicely and I don't need any more aggravation right now.
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said by Derspankster See Profile :

I built a new server and installed Hardy-server on it. I've had no issue with Samba.
Right, my point exactly. You built a new machine and freshly installed Hardy. I don't want to take the time to go through another reinstall as it seems that the "upgrade" path, needs a little work.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450451 Thu, 08 May 2008 09:23:15 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450147 LilYoda : For those that are missing their extensions, there are beta versions for foxmarks and tabmixplus that seem to work very well in ubuntu's FF

Check the extensions's websites for links to the beta versions.
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I am looking to do a clean install on my primary desktop but have to do a lot of backing up data.
On my girl's desktop it runs great.
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said by HEDP See Profile :

Can anyone give some input on the Network Manager in Hardy? What's new, what's broken and so forth thanks.
I'm at work, not in front of my ubuntu machine, so I assume by network manager you mean that "network neighborhood" gui, and not the gui for network setup. It's not as happy on Hardy as it was on Gutsy. Opening the network manager, I can see the other machines in my workgroup, but the only one who's shares I can see is the machine running XP Home. You can easily bring up shares on your browser with smb://a/share/someplace, and the Connect to Network app will mount a share if you know the path. When I first installed hardy, I'd connect to a share and then double-click to open it, and I ended up with the same share mounted twice. That got fixed last night in the most recent update. Basically, it's not ready for primetime as a gui, but networking, samba, etc., work fine.
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Giving it RT priority makes it run fine it seems. In fact it's not pegging the CPU anymore like it did in 7.10..
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I hope to get some time by this weekend to do an upgrade, but from what I've been seeing there's no hurry. I can revert easily enough, if it comes to that, but I am NOT enthused about the idea of a fresh install, I have too much shit stuff installed and tweaked, it would be an all-day affair.
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said by TechieZero See Profile :

said by muiredised See Profile :

Samba is broken...
This would be a deal breaker for me. I use a POS machine as essentially a file server among other things.

I keep reading that the "upgrade" path isn't working out for people and those people then do a fresh install and manage to get it all working to some degree. I think I am going to pass for a bit on the upgrade!
I built a new server and installed Hardy-server on it. I've had no issue with Samba.
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said by muiredised See Profile :

Samba is broken...
This would be a deal breaker for me. I use a POS machine as essentially a file server among other things.

I keep reading that the "upgrade" path isn't working out for people and those people then do a fresh install and manage to get it all working to some degree. I think I am going to pass for a bit on the upgrade!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446056 Wed, 07 May 2008 14:02:39 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438280 BloodRoses : It's been smooth for me, with the exception of synergy lag which is well documented. Other than that, my sound and everything that I use works great.
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I'm still waiting for a beta version of tabmixplus for FF3 :'(
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said by muiredised See Profile :

said by Derspankster See Profile :

'samba is broken"

I'm trying to understand what you mean by that.
It means it doesn't work...

The OP asked for the opinions of people who have changed to Hardy and I gave mine as well as a short list of things that (in my case) were working just fine prior to the upgrade but do not work afterwards.
Have you configured samba?
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But though as a under month old ground up Dell Linux Machine (Insp 1525N) no problems seen with Gutsy.. thought Hardy might go OK but NOOOOO. :(
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Fortunately not much put on the system or unbacked up, so even if Dell 7.1 restore does a Totaly clean format restore, no real loss but going back to Gutsy until this clean update but non functionality crap is straightened out.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20428971 Sun, 04 May 2008 03:54:47 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20428945 munky99999 :
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Sound card (SBLive5.1/emu10k1) capture is broken. Never had a problem back to Dapper then boom... I think Ubuntu's ALSA took a dump on a lot of folks. Yet to be diagnosed.

I have the same card and I also had this problem. I don't know the exact fix actually. I tried everything and started fresh. It can be fixed. :)

Firefox adobe flash player sound is busted however. The rumour is that the driver that you use didn't integrate proper support for pulseaudio and such. So we have to wait for a fix basically.

Firefox 3 bookmarks are wack. You cant set the default folder and you cant delete the stupid folder and seperator. The browser history isnt in an easy to use side panel anymore you have to open a completely different window.

As for some issues I have. I cant use my usual desktop resolution. 1440x900. For some reason the resolution gets crushed into a 4:3 square and gets scrunched on my widescreen lcd.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20428945 Sun, 04 May 2008 03:26:43 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20428233 antiserious :
said by muiredised See Profile :

The OP asked for the opinions of people who have changed to Hardy and I gave mine as well as a short list of things that (in my case) were working just fine prior to the upgrade but do not work afterwards.

That's right, I did - both good and bad, all feedback is welcome.

said by muiredised See Profile :

I appreciate the eagerness with which it seems some want to assist with troubleshooting, that is a ++ to the Ubuntu and dslreports communities. However, I have not reached the point where I am stuck and when/if I do I'll start a thread just for that issue so we can stay on topic and keep things tidy.

Fair enough, and appreciated. It's just that, especially with rational comments, people here are more than willing to help out. If you get it sorted out on your own, great, you might want to let us know how you managed it. If you need help, I'm sure someone here will try and lend a hand. Thanks for the input.

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said by No_Strings See Profile :

Any other descriptives? Error messages? Symptoms? Warning sirens? Broken and doesn't work are a bit broad.
My apologies. Perhaps I misunderstood the topic of this thread, but I thought it was simply asking for first impressions regarding Ubuntu Hardy Heron. So that is what I provided along with some (yes broad) descriptions of why I formed such opinion.

I appreciate the eagerness with which it seems some want to assist with troubleshooting, that is a ++ to the Ubuntu and dslreports communities. However, I have not reached the point where I am stuck and when/if I do I'll start a thread just for that issue so we can stay on topic and keep things tidy.
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said by Derspankster See Profile :

'samba is broken"

I'm trying to understand what you mean by that.
It means it doesn't work...

The OP asked for the opinions of people who have changed to Hardy and I gave mine as well as a short list of things that (in my case) were working just fine prior to the upgrade but do not work afterwards.
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I'm trying to understand what you mean by that.
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Thumbs down from me.
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Butttt......I'm a sucker for installing a new os. It installed without issue, except I couldn't get my nvidia card to get any higher res than 1080x768 with the restricted drivers. Finally figured out that I just needed to install the Nvidia-x-server-settings app in the distros. (Prior to that discovery, I had tried envy and got stuck in 640x400 hell for awhile).

Anyway....I actually like it so far. On gutsy, with FF2, whenever I ran vmware, my system load would go beserk, so I'd just make sure it wasn't loaded when I ran vmware-server. With FF3, it's no longer an issue, for whatever reason. Zero sound problems, listening to Sirius radio as I type.
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Still on Gutsy on my desktop. I'm thinking of a fresh install here. I've built a Hardy server and am going to pull one HD from the desktop and move it to the server. Hardy server is running flawlessly. I'll be interested in how the fresh install of hardy on the desktop goes.

FF3 is fine for a Beta but I miss my extensions. The rendering engine is improved (at least on my box) and it seems faster.
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Thank you all for your replies. It's nice to see coherent, on-topic opinions, without flames or posturing.

:)

Keep 'em coming!

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20421980 Fri, 02 May 2008 15:31:53 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20421210 klamer : The update process went smoothly for me (a first) then I tried to install the virtualization piece, virtualbox I believe it was called.

That put me into some odd login loop and corrupted my video setup and/or drivers. Got most of that fixed to find out my network config was hosed as well. Bit the bullet and did a fresh install.

Seems more stable and robust, but I imagine that may have more to do with the newer vers of gnome and the kernel. Haven't fully explored FF3.

Overall I think I'm better off with the update.
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So far, I haven't noticed huge changes. The Gnome Terminal font looks different.

Firefox 3 is the big one. I like it, except for one thing: I used to take advantage of the fact that bookmarks were stored in a flat HTML file by loading that file into the browser -- much more convenient to use than the pull-down menu, when you have as many bookmarks as I have. Now, the bookmarks are apparently kept in a database, the flat file seems not to be updated anymore, and I haven't found a way to get back the old functionality. Maybe via an extension... maybe I'll have to write it...

All my extensions continued to work, but I had to reinstall Flash and Java. Which was just as well, because now they'll be updated by Ubuntu itself, unlike before.

I think FF 3 was the right way to go, when you consider that this version of the distro will be current well into the FF 3 era. If they'd loaded 2, they'd be stuck with it (per Ubuntu policy) until 8.10... even longer for the LTS users. And it seems stable for me.
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I know it runs more or less like FF2, but all of my extensions are now disabled. So no go for me :/

I also noticed that the new nvidia driver causes weird graphical bugs when I playu city of heroes through cedega...
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Geek
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I must say that I do not care for the "awesome bar" in Firefox 3. I think it is way to cluttered and as of right now it can't be disabled without doing a couple things in about:config. Clear private data no longer seems to actually clear everything. I prefer the URL bar in Firefox 2. I do not like how FF3 includes my bookmarks and so much useless info in the URL drop down menu. FF2 was left intact during the upgrade so I have found myself using it more than 3.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20418447 Thu, 01 May 2008 21:20:07 EDT Re: How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20417698 kleeman : I updated three boxes and a laptop. There was a range of different video cards and cpus. Mostly painless with the following problems:

1) Firefox 3 is beta and sluggish at times. I reverted to Firefox-2 easily enough.

2) Pulseaudio server is still a bit immature. One of my boxes had two sound cards and it took a long while to sort out. Another box I had to switch the sound preferences to alsa.

3) On my laptop (thinkpad T60), the system runs hotter apparently because there is a kernel or bios bug for dual processors. This is very annoying.

All systems upgraded without any problems like misconfigured video so that was good.

There seem to be a lot of bugfixes going into the proposed repository at present so things might be less irritating in a month or so...
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Sound card (SBLive5.1/emu10k1) capture is broken. Never had a problem back to Dapper then boom... I think Ubuntu's ALSA took a dump on a lot of folks. Yet to be diagnosed.

I HATE this bug... especially when diagnosing:
»Hardy Heron *.desktop lauching bug
First thing I tried was FF2 - no help.

EDIT: Oh yeah... I'm going back to Gutsy if I can't resolve some of this soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20417599 Thu, 01 May 2008 17:30:05 EDT How do you like Hardy? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20417041 antiserious : Well, it's been out a week now and I haven't even thought about upgrading yet. Truth is, I've been too busy to mess with it, and will be for another few days at least. I know some of you must have jumped in by now, I wanted to hear what you think of it so far.

I'm not wild about the idea of Firefox 3 yet, although I understand the rationale behind that decision. I've seen a few issues mentioned, but that's to be expected with any release.

So, care to share your thoughts? Thanks in advance.

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