Beat My Download Speed!!! in Qwest http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20418592 en Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:11:31 EDT Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:11:31 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450638 AthlGrond : Ah! Thanks. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450638 Thu, 08 May 2008 10:08:10 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450037 CopperMonkey : It wasn't clear, but my point, aside from that they do use the Qwest Metropolitan Optical Ethernet network for the 12 and 20 meg tiers, was that in lower speed tiers they don't HAVE to use ATM. They just choose to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450037 Thu, 08 May 2008 06:07:39 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20442803 AthlGrond :
said by CopperMonkey See Profile :

said by AthlGrond See Profile :

Qwest supports PPPoE on their regular DSL offerings, the PPPoE info just gets encapsulated by ATM. (Using PPPoE does not guarantee that ATM isn't also used.)
Then it would be the other way around for Verizon/AT&T, right?
I'm not saying that they don't use PPPoE without ATM (I don't know if they do or don't), my point was that their use of PPPoE doesn't rule out their use of ATM which if I understood you correctly was your point (that the use of PPPoE proves that they don't use ATM).
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"You are technically correct. The best kind of correct." -Bureaucrat 1.0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20442803 Tue, 06 May 2008 22:18:38 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20442323 CopperMonkey : Yes, that's been noted on the previous page by ewth8tr, whom I noticed you had replied to; seems he's right on the money.

said by AthlGrond See Profile :

Qwest supports PPPoE on their regular DSL offerings, the PPPoE info just gets encapsulated by ATM. (Using PPPoE does not guarantee that ATM isn't also used.)
Then it would be the other way around for Verizon/AT&T, right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20442323 Tue, 06 May 2008 20:37:55 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439114 adsldude :
said by dynodb See Profile :

ADSL is based around ATM- therefore the protocol on the local loop between your modem and the DSLAM remains the same no matter if the DSLAM is ATM or ethernet fed.
This article looks like it applies to what is going on behind the DSLAM on the network facing side. ATM can co-exist or be replaced by Metro Ethernet:

»www1.alcatel-lucent.com/bnd/app_···h_an.pdf

Does the article fit what Qwest is beginning to deploy?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439114 Tue, 06 May 2008 10:49:51 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438945 AthlGrond :
said by CopperMonkey See Profile :

It doesn't have to be ATM, though. IIRC Verizon and AT&T have used PPPoE in the past for their ADSL, they might still do so but I could be mistaken.
Qwest supports PPPoE on their regular DSL offerings, the PPPoE info just gets encapsulated by ATM. (Using PPPoE does not guarantee that ATM isn't also used.)
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"You are technically correct. The best kind of correct." -Bureaucrat 1.0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438945 Tue, 06 May 2008 10:18:12 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438403 CopperMonkey : It doesn't have to be ATM, though. IIRC Verizon and AT&T have used PPPoE in the past for their ADSL, they might still do so but I could be mistaken.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438403 Tue, 06 May 2008 06:36:26 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436291 dynodb : ADSL is based around ATM- therefore the protocol on the local loop between your modem and the DSLAM remains the same no matter if the DSLAM is ATM or ethernet fed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436291 Mon, 05 May 2008 18:59:57 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436118 CopperMonkey :
said by AthlGrond See Profile :

If I understand it correctly they don't run a fiber line directly to your NID like Verizon does with FIOS. That part (the part from their fiber network to your house) is still DSL (ADSL2+) and still uses ATM.

Or do I have it all wrong?
DSL doesn't function if your NID is connected by fiber. For what reason I can't remember myself, but to quote the howstuffworks site; "ADSL signals can't pass through the conversion from analog to digital and back to analog that occurs if a portion of your telephone circuit comes through fiber-optic cables."

said by djweis See Profile :

The twisted pair to the DSLAM on an ADSL circuit will always be ATM. If it's not ATM it's not ADSL. After it hits the DSLAM it can be either ethernet, ATM, frame relay, or something else.
I thought they ran fiber all the way up to the DSLAM/RT for the new tiers (and even the 7Mbps tier). It doesn't have to be ATM if the DSLAM/RT is fiber fed, if I'm not mistaken, and I would imagine they would avoid ATM if they could. In short they shouldn't have to run ATM for the new speed tiers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436118 Mon, 05 May 2008 18:29:06 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435304 AthlGrond :
said by djweis See Profile :

The twisted pair to the DSLAM on an ADSL circuit will always be ATM. If it's not ATM it's not ADSL. After it hits the DSLAM it can be either ethernet, ATM, frame relay, or something else.
Well, that's what I thought was the case. That's why I thought that there would be ATM overhead.

I really don't understand how this would be better than being connected to a CO (or a fiber fed RT) with their previous offerings, as far as overhead is concerned.
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"You are technically correct. The best kind of correct." -Bureaucrat 1.0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435304 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:00:05 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435205 djweis : The twisted pair to the DSLAM on an ADSL circuit will always be ATM. If it's not ATM it's not ADSL. After it hits the DSLAM it can be either ethernet, ATM, frame relay, or something else.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435205 Mon, 05 May 2008 15:44:44 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20425524 adsldude :
said by ewth8tr See Profile :

Qwest's new FTTN service runs off of the Qwest Metropolitan Optical Ethernet network instead of through an ATM.
Is that part of the reason why the only ADSL2+ ISP is qwest.net at this time?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20425524 Sat, 03 May 2008 11:19:37 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20424581 AthlGrond :
said by ewth8tr See Profile :

Qwest's new FTTN service runs off of the Qwest Metropolitan Optical Ethernet network instead of through an ATM.
So ADSL2+ doesn't use ATM, it uses Qwest Metropolitan Optical Ethernet?

[Edit]
To put it another way: What underlying data-transport protocol have they replaced ATM with in the ADSL2+ part of this setup? Is there one?

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"You are technically correct. The best kind of correct." -Bureaucrat 1.0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20424581 Sat, 03 May 2008 02:01:05 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20424452 orange : It might just be plain inaccurate. IIRC the only "really" accurate way is to use wget and measure it that way with a 64MB (or so) test file.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20424452 Sat, 03 May 2008 01:04:42 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423280 ewth8tr :
said by orange See Profile :

No idea how you got such good speeds, but that's awesome. (I think the test may be inaccurate though.)

IIRC Qwest's higher speed offering is 20mbps/1mbps - can someone tell me if that's correct or not? :)
That's the fastest DSL speed qwest offers. I'm guessing that speedtest is coming from a Qwest sales office in Logan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423280 Fri, 02 May 2008 20:09:36 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423276 ewth8tr : Qwest's new FTTN service runs off of the Qwest Metropolitan Optical Ethernet network instead of through an ATM. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423276 Fri, 02 May 2008 20:08:03 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20422148 orange : No idea how you got such good speeds, but that's awesome. (I think the test may be inaccurate though.)

IIRC Qwest's higher speed offering is 20mbps/1mbps - can someone tell me if that's correct or not? :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20422148 Fri, 02 May 2008 16:04:47 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420998 questionable : HOLY!!

nice speeds would love to know what you have.

We have a winner!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420998 Fri, 02 May 2008 12:05:23 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420793 brmasha : ok, from qwest in northern utah.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420793 Fri, 02 May 2008 11:27:37 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420745 AthlGrond : If I understand it correctly they don't run a fiber line directly to your NID like Verizon does with FIOS. That part (the part from their fiber network to your house) is still DSL (ADSL2+) and still uses ATM.

Or do I have it all wrong?
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"You are technically correct. The best kind of correct." -Bureaucrat 1.0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420745 Fri, 02 May 2008 11:19:03 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420740 orange : Exactly what I thought. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420740 Fri, 02 May 2008 11:17:44 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420630 smithers8 : the overhead comes from an ATM network, the fiber backbone should be more efficient]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420630 Fri, 02 May 2008 10:56:07 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420482 orange : Yeah, I'm pretty sure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420482 Fri, 02 May 2008 10:24:25 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420479 AthlGrond :
said by orange See Profile :

2. Someone with Qwest's 20mbps/1mbps service will come and beat both your download and upload speeds.
Considering DSL's overhead, will the 20,000/1,000 service be able to beat a 16,206/731 test result?
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"You are technically correct. The best kind of correct." -Bureaucrat 1.0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420479 Fri, 02 May 2008 10:22:56 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420379 MikeStammer : im on quest ftth here in UT and my numbers are usually high 8's down and 1.5 or so up. downloads usually hold around 1.5 MB/sec tho, which is nice! =)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420379 Fri, 02 May 2008 10:02:19 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420268 questionable : If i could get the 20/1 I'd post it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20420268 Fri, 02 May 2008 09:34:50 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20419712 Vin DSL : LoL! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20419712 Fri, 02 May 2008 03:48:48 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20419605 orange : Well,

1. You're in the wrong forum (as the other poster said).

2. Someone with Qwest's 20mbps/1mbps service will come and beat both your download and upload speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20419605 Fri, 02 May 2008 02:22:35 EDT Re: Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20419371 anon : Are you on RR? Well even if you are in the wrong forum soon some will beat those speeds. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20419371 Fri, 02 May 2008 00:27:59 EDT Beat My Download Speed!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20418592 anon : I have an uber crappy computer but sicks connections speeds i live in ohio and ran the test in other states and still rocked it out this is my results page CHECK IT OUT!!

»www.speedtest.net/result/265976462.png]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20418592 Thu, 01 May 2008 21:50:39 EDT