AthlGrond
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| reply to orange
Re: Beat My Download Speed!!!
said by orange  :2. Someone with Qwest's 20mbps/1mbps service will come and beat both your download and upload speeds. Considering DSL's overhead, will the 20,000/1,000 service be able to beat a 16,206/731 test result?
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smithers8
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Sioux Falls, SD | the overhead comes from an ATM network, the fiber backbone should be more efficient |
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orange
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Tucson, AZ | Exactly what I thought.  |
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AthlGrond
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If I understand it correctly they don't run a fiber line directly to your NID like Verizon does with FIOS. That part (the part from their fiber network to your house) is still DSL (ADSL2+) and still uses ATM.
Or do I have it all wrong?
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ewth8tr
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Salt Lake City, UT | Qwest's new FTTN service runs off of the Qwest Metropolitan Optical Ethernet network instead of through an ATM. |
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AthlGrond
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May 3rd, @02:44AM
| said by ewth8tr :Qwest's new FTTN service runs off of the Qwest Metropolitan Optical Ethernet network instead of through an ATM. So ADSL2+ doesn't use ATM, it uses Qwest Metropolitan Optical Ethernet?
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To put it another way: What underlying data-transport protocol have they replaced ATM with in the ADSL2+ part of this setup? Is there one?
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adsldude
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| reply to ewth8tr
said by ewth8tr :Qwest's new FTTN service runs off of the Qwest Metropolitan Optical Ethernet network instead of through an ATM. Is that part of the reason why the only ADSL2+ ISP is qwest.net at this time? |
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djweis
join:2006-04-02
West Des Moines, IA | reply to AthlGrond
The twisted pair to the DSLAM on an ADSL circuit will always be ATM. If it's not ATM it's not ADSL. After it hits the DSLAM it can be either ethernet, ATM, frame relay, or something else. |
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AthlGrond
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| said by djweis :The twisted pair to the DSLAM on an ADSL circuit will always be ATM. If it's not ATM it's not ADSL. After it hits the DSLAM it can be either ethernet, ATM, frame relay, or something else. Well, that's what I thought was the case. That's why I thought that there would be ATM overhead.
I really don't understand how this would be better than being connected to a CO (or a fiber fed RT) with their previous offerings, as far as overhead is concerned.
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CopperMonkey
join:2007-12-18
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| reply to djweis
said by AthlGrond :If I understand it correctly they don't run a fiber line directly to your NID like Verizon does with FIOS. That part (the part from their fiber network to your house) is still DSL (ADSL2+) and still uses ATM. Or do I have it all wrong? DSL doesn't function if your NID is connected by fiber. For what reason I can't remember myself, but to quote the howstuffworks site; "ADSL signals can't pass through the conversion from analog to digital and back to analog that occurs if a portion of your telephone circuit comes through fiber-optic cables."
said by djweis :The twisted pair to the DSLAM on an ADSL circuit will always be ATM. If it's not ATM it's not ADSL. After it hits the DSLAM it can be either ethernet, ATM, frame relay, or something else. I thought they ran fiber all the way up to the DSLAM/RT for the new tiers (and even the 7Mbps tier). It doesn't have to be ATM if the DSLAM/RT is fiber fed, if I'm not mistaken, and I would imagine they would avoid ATM if they could. In short they shouldn't have to run ATM for the new speed tiers. |
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dynodb
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Minneapolis, MN | ADSL is based around ATM- therefore the protocol on the local loop between your modem and the DSLAM remains the same no matter if the DSLAM is ATM or ethernet fed. |
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CopperMonkey
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united state | It doesn't have to be ATM, though. IIRC Verizon and AT&T have used PPPoE in the past for their ADSL, they might still do so but I could be mistaken. |
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AthlGrond
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May 6th, @10:20AM
| said by CopperMonkey :It doesn't have to be ATM, though. IIRC Verizon and AT&T have used PPPoE in the past for their ADSL, they might still do so but I could be mistaken. Qwest supports PPPoE on their regular DSL offerings, the PPPoE info just gets encapsulated by ATM. (Using PPPoE does not guarantee that ATM isn't also used.)
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adsldude
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| reply to dynodb
said by dynodb :ADSL is based around ATM- therefore the protocol on the local loop between your modem and the DSLAM remains the same no matter if the DSLAM is ATM or ethernet fed. This article looks like it applies to what is going on behind the DSLAM on the network facing side. ATM can co-exist or be replaced by Metro Ethernet:
»www1.alcatel-lucent.com/bnd/app_···h_an.pdf
Does the article fit what Qwest is beginning to deploy? |
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CopperMonkey
join:2007-12-18
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| reply to AthlGrond
Yes, that's been noted on the previous page by ewth8tr, whom I noticed you had replied to; seems he's right on the money.
said by AthlGrond :Qwest supports PPPoE on their regular DSL offerings, the PPPoE info just gets encapsulated by ATM. (Using PPPoE does not guarantee that ATM isn't also used.) Then it would be the other way around for Verizon/AT&T, right? |
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AthlGrond
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| said by CopperMonkey :said by AthlGrond :Qwest supports PPPoE on their regular DSL offerings, the PPPoE info just gets encapsulated by ATM. (Using PPPoE does not guarantee that ATM isn't also used.) Then it would be the other way around for Verizon/AT&T, right? I'm not saying that they don't use PPPoE without ATM (I don't know if they do or don't), my point was that their use of PPPoE doesn't rule out their use of ATM which if I understood you correctly was your point (that the use of PPPoE proves that they don't use ATM).
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CopperMonkey
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united state | It wasn't clear, but my point, aside from that they do use the Qwest Metropolitan Optical Ethernet network for the 12 and 20 meg tiers, was that in lower speed tiers they don't HAVE to use ATM. They just choose to. |
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AthlGrond
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Aurora, CO | Ah! Thanks. |
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