Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? in Filesharing Software http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20426346 en Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:37:06 EDT Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:37:06 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438152 unoriginal : Do you need 200 days of retention? If not consider powerusenet instead. They resell Giganews and give me 105 days of retention for $15/mo ($10 first 2 mo while you try it out) instead of $25. Only downside is that they dont allow posting on any of their accts, but I dont really care about that as I only download.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438152 Tue, 06 May 2008 02:17:08 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437458 Doctor Four : You really don't need SSL unless your ISP throttles or
blocks NNTP (Usenet) traffic.

Giganews is a little on the steep side, price-wise. But what
you get in return (200 day retention, reliability and
completeness, as well as being able to fully take advantage
of your line's max. speed) may be worth it.

I've been with them since Oct 2002, and on their unlimited
$24.99 plan since around 2005.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437458 Mon, 05 May 2008 23:02:48 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437299 brianiscool : lol You could of bought another internet connection for that price and have double the bandwidth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437299 Mon, 05 May 2008 22:32:34 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436884 eX_NihiLo : Sorry you are correct its Astraweb. I think I saw a post here that said AstraWeb had server problems a while back so long retention may have been affected for them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436884 Mon, 05 May 2008 21:06:14 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436847 jmorlan : Do you mean Astraweb?

Astraweb is claiming 122+ days of retention. Giganews claims to be at 200 days.

I have a block account with Astraweb which I use for fills and I think it's a good value. But frankly, I'm not seeing 122 days of retention in some of the larger groups.
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Edit: AstraWeb not Astranews]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436816 Mon, 05 May 2008 20:51:18 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433178 dekks : Has anyone had experience with both newshosting and giganews and able to give a pro/con for each one?

I'm not overly worried about connection speed as my isp throttles between 4pm-1am (and yes I am looking to switch) so I only queue D/Ls overnight, but recently I've found that Newshosting seems to timeout for the first 5-10 minutes of something being queued before it'll start downloading.

I've also had quite a few times recently where I've downloaded something 50-60 days old (still within my 70 days retention package) but several articles are missing whereas friends on other usenet providers have been able to download complete articles no problem.

There's nothing more frustrating then to get a 9 gig download, only to find that several of the rars are corrupt and blocks are missing even with a full par set.

I've been with newshosting for several years and up until a few months ago totally satisfied, so I'm hoping these are just a couple of hiccups for them, but that said, I'm start to consider other options.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433178 Mon, 05 May 2008 07:33:12 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20432660 kamm :
said by Ryan See Profile :

Heres the deal right now even if a copyright group found you downloading something they cant touch you. Every lawsuit is related to SHARING not downloading. Also its illegal for them to sniff packets like that so it wouldnt hold up in court. ISP technically is not supposed to monitor your connection either (as of now) and really they wouldnt want to implement the resources to do so especially where their not even held liable for what you download.

Yes I suppose they might be able to see what your downloading if they put the resources into monitoring your connection like that, but they cant really do anything about it. Also I am sure you have visited a website containing copyrighted material or warez. Even a site like rapidshare is essentially no different then downloading from a nonssl newsgroup connection. SSL is just overkill right now unless like I said your isp is slowing your connection. Beleive me you will hear about it if any of these things change. It would hit every news site and tech site including the front page here at dslr. I cant predict the future, but we will know long in advance if we would need to start using ssl connections.
QFT again - SSL and all these gimmicks are nothing but good marketing tools to make people pay 2x more for the same service.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20432660 Mon, 05 May 2008 01:03:59 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20432644 jmorlan : In my opinion, you are definitely not stupid.

You signed up with a class act. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20432644 Mon, 05 May 2008 00:55:29 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20431653 kalone : Me stupid too! Just get sick of saving a buck for something that may or may not work. Tried NH, NHXL,UNS(top of the up and down list), Powerusenet which it good but it can be slow sometimes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20431653 Sun, 04 May 2008 20:41:40 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427497 kamm :
said by Ryan See Profile :

Giganews charges a lot, but I admit they put a lot back into maintenance and hardware to make sure everything runs great all the time. IMHO its good if you got the money, but I wouldnt have wasted money on the diamond package unless your isp traffic shapes your connection to the point where you need ssl. 10 connection also is more then plenty especially when using giganews.
QFT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427497 Sat, 03 May 2008 19:36:02 EDT Paying for convenience, or not. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426763 Bark : My ISP (Qwest) goes to the trouble of maintaining their own news server, so the files are hosted on their own network a few hops away. Thus all of the NNTP traffic between me and my ISP's news server is limited to their network. It doesn't make sense that Qwest would want to eavesdrop on my in-network inbound traffic and trap me for what I download entirely from their own servers.

I don't use SSL. I have access to UseNetServer (UNS) and Giganews but don't use them very often.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426763 Sat, 03 May 2008 16:37:29 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426494 djdanska : Thanks for the explanation. That helps a lot. I am still in my newbie stage with usenet. But, highly enjoying using it.
Much appreciated!
dan]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426494 Sat, 03 May 2008 15:30:24 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426483 Ryan : Heres the deal right now even if a copyright group found you downloading something they cant touch you. Every lawsuit is related to SHARING not downloading. Also its illegal for them to sniff packets like that so it wouldnt hold up in court. ISP technically is not supposed to monitor your connection either (as of now) and really they wouldnt want to implement the resources to do so especially where their not even held liable for what you download.

Yes I suppose they might be able to see what your downloading if they put the resources into monitoring your connection like that, but they cant really do anything about it. Also I am sure you have visited a website containing copyrighted material or warez. Even a site like rapidshare is essentially no different then downloading from a nonssl newsgroup connection. SSL is just overkill right now unless like I said your isp is slowing your connection. Beleive me you will hear about it if any of these things change. It would hit every news site and tech site including the front page here at dslr. I cant predict the future, but we will know long in advance if we would need to start using ssl connections.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426483 Sat, 03 May 2008 15:27:53 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426458 djdanska : I know i don't have to use ssl, since i think rcn (my provider) doesn't do anything with newsgroups. But, if i use ssl, they can't tell what i download.. Right? If i don't use ssl, and use a normal newsgroup connection, could they if they wanted to, tell what i was downloading?
I am probably just a bit too paranoid. :D
Just trying to figure out how this works.
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Anyway..

I think you can always upgrade your plan at anytime anyways. Just a thought to save you 60 dollars a year anyway. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426441 Sat, 03 May 2008 15:14:59 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426375 Lorne :
I'm on AT&T DSL so I thought I might as well get on SSL before that anti-piracy snooping crap goes online. (not that I believe it even has the potential to look through split rar files - although sometimes music downloads are sepeate .mp3 files w/ pars).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426375 Sat, 03 May 2008 15:00:28 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426346 Ryan : Giganews charges a lot, but I admit they put a lot back into maintenance and hardware to make sure everything runs great all the time. IMHO its good if you got the money, but I wouldnt have wasted money on the diamond package unless your isp traffic shapes your connection to the point where you need ssl. 10 connection also is more then plenty especially when using giganews. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426346 Sat, 03 May 2008 14:53:55 EDT Re: Giganews - Just signed up. Am I stupid? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426324 djdanska : Your not the only one. I am doing the same thing. I am happy though. I like the retention and ssl.
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I just signed up for the Giganews Diamond Package.

This is $30. Am I an idiot for paying $30 a month. I've always paid $16 for Unlimited and ~90 retention. For double I'm getting twice as many connections, 200 day retention and SSL. Honestly - I was happy with normal unlimited.

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History (last 6 years or so):

Usnet Server for 3 years: Crapped out for a solid week so I left and went to Newshosting.com

Newshosting.com for 3 years: Crapped out the last 4 days where it hardly works at all (50-100KB/s off and on - long idle periods)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426309 Sat, 03 May 2008 14:46:38 EDT