Re: Skew or no skew in WildBlue Satellite http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20426578 en Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:45:18 EDT Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:45:18 EDT Re: Skew or no skew http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20430974 blacksheep : Greg, as you know I still concur with you hypothesis. Skew can be important even with circular polarization for the very reasons you've stated. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20430974 Sun, 04 May 2008 17:37:17 EDT Re: Skew or no skew http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20429464 rotomike : All I know is that DN skews all there dishes here in Maine now and is mandatory for installers and the report from Dish is that they have much less problems with the dishes skewd. And i believe it.

Mike
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said by Liberty See Profile :

I have a SuperBuddy meter which gives db values to 2 decimals
I can skew the dish every which way and receive value doesn't change
Relative to SKEW, signal strength in dB means nothing. You know full well that this is a digital signal. BER will remain usable over a WIDE range of signal levels. If Az and El are accurate in the first place, SKEW should have no effect on signal strength. SKEW is an adjustment designed to compensate for the fact that the satellite antennas (the ones in orbit) are essentially fixed.

They are fixed, because of the fact they have to serve multiple customer locations some 22,300 some miles below. It would be nice if the satellite would point directly AT you and you alone. But we don't enjoy that luxury, and should adjust our dishes to compensate. Of those adjustments, the SKEW angle compensates for the longitudinal difference (as adjusted by latitude) between the customer dish and the satellite. It has to do with antenna-to-antenna alignment relative to the orbital arc. Granted, there are conditions where the SKEW angle may not contribute to enhanced performance or survivability. But a few open-mined installers have discovered (and reported) that fine tuning SKEW has corrected otherwise undefined connection issues.

See the discussion at »www.wildblue.cc/wbforums/showthr···p?t=1019

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I can skew the dish every which way and receive value doesn't change

Try this, run STV 5 times in a row without touching dish
I bet you get 3 or more different values]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427651 Sat, 03 May 2008 20:24:12 EDT Re: Skew or no skew http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20426578 rotomike : It was Dish Network that had the training. Im on the phone with him now. He said the transmit and receive values and signals were all better. Dish Network did the training.

Mike
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Care to clarify above quote?
What got better?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20415159 Thu, 01 May 2008 08:52:32 EDT Re: Skew or no skew http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20414905 grohgreg :
said by rotomike See Profile :

...another local installer had a recent training and said he was told to skew it to 55 degrees which is what it calls for here in this part of Maine. So did they change the installation rules to now have a skew in the dish?
I can't actually answer as to whether or not "they" changed the installation rules. I am among the current minority that has long advocated fine tuning the skew (or tilt) angle of the WildBlue ODU to tweak out otherwise unaccountable bad or marginal SVT values.

Sorry for the non-answer, but I'm curious. Who provided the training to this fella that says the skew angle is now required?

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Mike
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Mike
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mike
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