Wimaks
join:2008-05-04
07100
|  Need suggestion for building city wide Wisp..
Hi professions,wisp builders,
I need some help for building city wide wisp.
Here is the technical summery;
City located near the sea,have sunny and good weather most of the year.  40-45 celcius in the summer time.
Have small hill like 250 meters tall that covers whole area and longest range with 16km from the hill.We have 75 meter tall tower for tv broadcasting.There are 1 million people living and at least %30 percentage of have dsl line as 1mbits.
There is no Wisp yet unless we build one  .
Most of the buildings is apartments with 3th floor to 16 floor.
Everyone can register for dsl with active telephone line.The monthly price for 1mbit dsl is 25$.
We can use any of the wireless products ,tranzeo,ubiquiti,mikrotik,osbridge,etc we dont want to use priced ones.We can even build ours.
According to above information,if you were in my place what will be your road map for equipment,monthly price,registering strategy?
Thanks to anyone that reads and give suggestion about my way..
With my best regards.. |
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viperm
Carpe Diem
Premium
join:2002-07-09
Winchester, CA
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May 4th, @11:16AM
| I would use the standard stuff such as Trango, Alvarion, and or Motorola Canopy to get your most bang for the buck. If you want to deploy quickly and keep your costs down>
What type of pricing does DSL offer $25 thats pretty cheap! If its less then what you will offer it makes no sense to deploy? Even with building your own gear its going to be very difficult to make any money doing wireless.
In other words why would they want to go with YOU if they can get DSL for cheaper etc? There has to be some advantage to you offering wireless.
I.E. maybe if you were in an area that they could NOT get DSL then you would have more of a chance to sell your service.
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LLigetfa
join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
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I think there are problems with your business model. Competing with $25 DSL by offering higher speed packages will attract the bandwidth hogs that will kill your network.
Designing an 802.11 network based on a single POP will limit you severely. With limited spectrum, and only around 30 subs per AP, you won't have enough customers. You are far better off looking to non-WiFi technology that allows higher density but competing against the price of DSL would be tough.
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Wimaks
join:2008-05-04
07100
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May 4th, @12:09PM
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All of the dsl users must have telephone lines and some of them dont want to use telephone if they get internet from anywhere, this is due telephone company policy that applies lots of extra fees.Annual cost will be higher if they use dsl+telephone line together,otherwise noway.
Small interesting thing is,most of the home users the people that uses internet with very low bandwith.128k could be enough with lower price like 7-10$ montly.Dont want to serve higher bandwiths.
Nationwide dsl service have other bandwith levels with higher price.
This will be a trial wisp for lower bandwith needings + lower cost + no need obligatory telephone lines. |
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LLigetfa
join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
| said by Wimaks  :128k could be enough with lower price like 7-10$ montly.Dont want to serve higher bandwiths. At that price you will be out of business quickly. At that speed, you will lose to DSL.
If people don't want phone lines and you want to provide internet with VOIP, don't cut your price because you will need the revenue to add robustness to your network to support VOIP. Reprice your model using Canopy.
People with phonelines don't need LOS to the POP. WiFi needs LOS. That means people closer to the ground will be SOL as will two or three sides of most appartment buildings. You've just eliminated 75% of the population.
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IntraLink
Premium,MVM
join:2002-08-14
Utah Valley
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What's your investment budget on this project?
Specifically how much to you have to get it started and how much money will you put in to marketing?
I would dump about $150k into it and put up some access points, get some good internet, and buy 100pk of SM's then send around a money mailer for $39.95 month, $49 install (on discount from $199 or whatever). |
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lutful
Premium
join:2005-06-16
Ottawa, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
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said by Wimaks :There are 1 million people living and at least %30 percentage of have dsl line as 1mbits. There is no Wisp yet unless we build one . What is the city? FYI broadband uptake rarely crosses 50% of the households in developing countries in Africa and Asia, so the DSL provider may already have captured most of your market. 
A single broadcast tower is not a good approach for a large urban WISP. Even if you ignore AP capacity and interference issues, the 325 meter location may not see many buildings in the dense downtown.
This sounds ridiculous but there are many buildings in downtown Toronto that cannot see the CN Tower and there are many buildings in downtown Montreal that cannot see Mont Royal. The reason? There are taller buildings blocking the view.
You will first need to invest $$$$$$ to build a comprehensive wireless backhaul network using this tower PLUS at least a dozen other tall buildings. You will then setup multiple APs on each of those buildings - it is possible to co-locate 8 2.4Ghz sectors on a large rooftop.
The DSL provider may already have captured 75% of your potential market and they could lower their prices or offer better phone+internet bundles. To compete well, you have to invest another $$$$$$ in VoIP gear.
Please reconsider the reason you want to build such a WISP and then develop a realistic business plan and check if you can break even in 2-3 years. Do not forget your $$$$$/month bandwidth cost.  |
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Wimaks
join:2008-05-04
07100 | Lutful,
thanks for the sharing your opinions about building wisp.
We will recalculate the costs than maybe we will change the city center to the some rural areas.This will be better for getting the customers to us. |
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