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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/349420"><b>CyberRage</b></A> : Like Mike, I pay a fee for my email to be handled off AT&T's network.  When I signed up port 465 wasn't open but a quick request resulted it that port being opened the same day.  No complaints so far.  From a notice I recieved two days ago I see that I've been purchased by a data center owner so I may be asking Mike who he uses if things go downhill.  It's certainly been better than Bellsouth's email service, I don't know about AT&T servers.  I haven't tried them.<br><small>--<br>Prop your feet up at <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/chatse"> <b><i>Southeast Chat</i></b> </a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/314530"><b>NormanS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  CyberRage <A HREF="/useremail/u/349420"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>And there is port 465 -- secure SMTP<br> </div>Only if the E-mail service provider offers it. At one time, just after the servers for 'yahoo.com' and 'yahoo.com.au' switched over to using port 465, 'yahoo.co.jp' was still only accessible through port 587 (that has changed since then). The last time I checked, neither 'smtp.aim.com', nor 'smtp.aol.com', nor 'smtp.gmx.net' offered access through port 465.<br><small>--<br>Norman<br>~Oh Lord, why have you come<br>~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/349420"><b>CyberRage</b></A> : And there is port 465 -- secure SMTP<br>port 993 -- IMAP4 over SSL<br>and port 995 -- secure POP3<br><br>Secure should be used with a grain of salt, of course.  I've used 585, 465, 995 with no problems.  I've settled on 465.  No particular reason.<br><small>--<br>Prop your feet up at <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/chatse"> <b><i>Southeast Chat</i></b> </a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 04:01:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/314530"><b>NormanS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Neyland85 <A HREF="/useremail/u/765230"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Great deal then!  Of course with DSL it's not as big of a deal as you have to send out via Bellsouth/ATT unless you're using a web based client.<br> </div>As  mikes60 <A HREF="/useremail/u/441504"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> points out, any mail hosting provider worth the money you pay them should accept SMTP message submission on a port other than port 25. Per RFC 2821, port 25 was originally designate for mail transfer; but another RFC reserves another port for SMTP message submission. Read RFC 2476.<br><br>I have not had to use port 25 for message submission since 'yahoo.co.jp' set up on port 587.<br><small>--<br>Norman<br>~Oh Lord, why have you come<br>~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 01:19:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/441504"><b>mikes60</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Neyland85 <A HREF="/useremail/u/765230"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  mikes60 <A HREF="/useremail/u/441504"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Neyland85 <A HREF="/useremail/u/765230"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>For $12/year you're on a shared host?  We got away from shared hosting solutions because they all have the same outgoing email server.  This becomes a problem when they over sell their server and mr spamboy decides to start up and the server gets blacklisted.<br><br>VPS costs more, but works much better.<br> </div>No arguement there.  But, for my personal purposes, not business, I haven't had one problem in over a year.<br> </div>Great deal then!  Of course with DSL it's not as big of a deal as you have to send out via Bellsouth/ATT unless you're using a web based client.<br> </div>No, my email provider, as with many others, uses port 587.  Everything goes right out thru Outlook.<br><small>--<br>No good deed goes unpunished.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:46:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765230"><b>Neyland85</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mikes60 <A HREF="/useremail/u/441504"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Neyland85 <A HREF="/useremail/u/765230"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>For $12/year you're on a shared host?  We got away from shared hosting solutions because they all have the same outgoing email server.  This becomes a problem when they over sell their server and mr spamboy decides to start up and the server gets blacklisted.<br><br>VPS costs more, but works much better.<br> </div>No arguement there.  But, for my personal purposes, not business, I haven't had one problem in over a year.<br> </div>Great deal then!  Of course with DSL it's not as big of a deal as you have to send out via Bellsouth/ATT unless you're using a web based client.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:37:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/441504"><b>mikes60</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Neyland85 <A HREF="/useremail/u/765230"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>For $12/year you're on a shared host?  We got away from shared hosting solutions because they all have the same outgoing email server.  This becomes a problem when they over sell their server and mr spamboy decides to start up and the server gets blacklisted.<br><br>VPS costs more, but works much better.<br> </div>No arguement there.  But, for my personal purposes, not business, I haven't had one problem in over a year.<br><small>--<br>No good deed goes unpunished.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765230"><b>Neyland85</b></A> : For $12/year you're on a shared host?  We got away from shared hosting solutions because they all have the same outgoing email server.  This becomes a problem when they over sell their server and mr spamboy decides to start up and the server gets blacklisted.<br><br>VPS costs more, but works much better.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 09:22:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/441504"><b>mikes60</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Old_Grouch <A HREF="/useremail/u/1013851"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  mikes60 <A HREF="/useremail/u/441504"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  wolfsmane <A HREF="/useremail/u/806290"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>why would it matter if it's bellsouth.net or att.net?<br> </div>It doesn't.  But there will always some people who need to complain about something.<br> </div>Actually, there are some that would say it does matter.<br><br>I'd rather have my name associated with ameritech.net instead of sbc or at&t or any other ________ they adopt.<br> </div>I'll go you one better.  I don't use AT&T/BellSouth email at all.  For about $12.00 a year I have my own domain managed by a company that knows how to manage email.<br><small>--<br>No good deed goes unpunished.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 09:00:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/314530"><b>NormanS</b></A> : Considering that all of the gateway mail servers for the nine legacy SBC domains are under the 'prodigy.net' domain, and, apparently, managed by AT&T Internet Services (ATTIS; formerly SBCIS), it really doesn't matter.<br><br>OTOH, having one of the legacy domains in your email address does mark one as having the right to be an "Old_Grouch"!   ;)<br><br>I do like my 'pacbell.net' domain, as well. Maybe I should adopt the nym, "Ol' Sourdough".<br><small>--<br>Norman<br>~Oh Lord, why have you come<br>~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:02:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1013851"><b>Old_Grouch</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mikes60 <A HREF="/useremail/u/441504"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  wolfsmane <A HREF="/useremail/u/806290"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>why would it matter if it's bellsouth.net or att.net?<br> </div>It doesn't.  But there will always some people who need to complain about something.<br> </div>Actually, there are some that would say it does matter.<br><br>I'd rather have my name associated with ameritech.net instead of sbc or at&t or any other ________ they adopt.<br><small>--<br>At <b><A HREF="/forum/disco">Team Discovery</a></b> we know how to get more outta that danged 'puter of yours!<br>If you <b>paid</b> taxes it's a rebate.  If you didn't, it's <b>welfare.</b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/441504"><b>mikes60</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  wolfsmane <A HREF="/useremail/u/806290"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>why would it matter if it's bellsouth.net or att.net?<br> </div>It doesn't.  But there will always some people who need to complain about something.<br><br>The real nuisance would be if old BellSouth people had to change to ATT.  For some people, that would be a lot of work.<br><br>I've used my own domain for years, so I never have to deal with this.<br><small>--<br>No good deed goes unpunished.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1030204"><b>NetFixer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  wolfsmane <A HREF="/useremail/u/806290"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>why would it matter if it's bellsouth.net or att.net?<br> </div>The biggest advantage for some people is that att.net is shorter and is less likely to be misspelled than bellsouth.net?  ;)<br><br>Other than that if the same servers are handling the email it's like the great bard said, "<b><i>What's in a name?</i></b>".<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://nature-pics.com">We can never have enough of nature.</a><br>We need to witness our own limits transgressed, and some life pasturing freely where we never wander.<br><A HREF="http://portscan.dcs-net.net">Test your firewall.</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/314530"><b>NormanS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jblake <A HREF="/useremail/u/832996"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>they will eventually merge the email systems...<br> </div>To some extent, that has already happened. All 'bellsouth.net' email is handled by AT&T Worldnet Services mail hosts. All web mail log in for the legacy (unmigrated) SBC email domains has been moved to the same AT&T Worldnet web mail servers that handle 'att.net' and 'bellsouth.net' email.<br><div class="bquote">...and give new users @att.net addresses...<br> </div>Reportedly, new 'at&t Yahoo! HSI' subscribers, who follow the default account activation steps, are still getting 'sbcglobal.net' email addresses.<br><small>--<br>Norman<br>~Oh Lord, why have you come<br>~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/832996"><b>jblake</b></A> : it'll happen eventually. at least I hope so. at&t's systems are so fragmented, I'm surprised they're saving any money at all. there seems to be little to no integration, each division is operating as a silo without any regards to the other.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/314530"><b>NormanS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  amyers <A HREF="/useremail/u/1549269"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The guys at at&t told me that we weren't going to merge over to at&t e-mail addresses, ever. Just like they've kept their other networks. <br> </div>FWIW, the old, legacy SBC domains are not being retired, and customers using them (I am still 'pacbell.net') won't be forced to give them up. But, currently, new 'at&t Yahoo! HSI' customers are assigned 'sbcglobal.net' accounts, unless they choose a path, in the account activation process, which takes them to 'att.net'.<br><br>As for the former Bellsouth region; until that is merged into the 'at&t Yahoo! HSI' system, I suspect that 'bellsouth.net' will remain in effect on new account signups.<br><br>I don't know when, or even if, that is going to happen.<br><small>--<br>Norman<br>~Oh Lord, why have you come<br>~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/349420"><b>CyberRage</b></A> : Imagine the outcries if the e-mail domains were merged.  A lot of users would loose that address they've liked very much for a long time.  After all, there can only be one john@att.net, etc.  I'd hate to end up with something like john6830914@att.net for an address. <br><small>--<br>Prop your feet up at <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/chatse"> <b><i>Southeast Chat</i></b> </a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/832996"><b>jblake</b></A> : they will eventually merge the email systems and give new users @att.net addresses, however they will never (at least for a very very very very long time) force users to drop their old domains. The issues that would cause would be very troublesome, to say the least.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/171865"><b>Hayward</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  iLive4Apple <A HREF="/useremail/u/1373892"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>My E-Mail address is @bellsouth.net. But since AT&T merged does this mean we are going to have the option of getting @att.net or something like that?<br> </div>You WANT to go through the hassle of changing your email????<br><br>  While it is a pain to log onto the website now, not just UN/PQ but select your ATT domain as well.<br><br>   Personally I am glad they HAVE allowed the old domains to still exist.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://haywardm.com" >haywardm.com</A> (Hayward's Key West)<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1167600"><b>jhaygood86</b></A> : I did say "think".. been a few months since I used AT&T (this place is all Comcast atm) and it'll be another month before I use AT&T again at my new place]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1549269"><b>amyers</b></A> : The guys at at&t told me that we weren't going to merge over to at&t e-mail addresses, ever. Just like they've kept their other networks. <br><br>Also, I tested the &raquo;<A HREF="http://www5.bellsouth.net" >www5.bellsouth.net</A> information you posted. When you try to add a e-mail address, it just adds another bellsouth.net account.]]></description>
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<title>Re: When are we going to get att.net mail?</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1167600"><b>jhaygood86</b></A> : I think you can now:<br><br>1. Goto &raquo;<A HREF="http://www5.bellsouth.net" >www5.bellsouth.net</A><br>2. Click on the " Add/Manage Sub Accounts (Add an email box or create an alias)" link<br>3. Create email address or att.net alias to your bellsouth.net one]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 18:28:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1373892"><b>iLive4Apple</b></A> : My E-Mail address is @bellsouth.net. But since AT&T merged does this mean we are going to have the option of getting @att.net or something like that?<br><small>--<br>I get 29 MPG in my Toyota Highlander Hybrid!</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 16:58:54 EDT</pubDate>
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