 cwire join:2007-06-07 Bedford, KY 1 edit | reply to flyingjoey
Re: Glad I don't have those boxes nevermind |
|
 JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to NormanS Yes, it's what we're stuck with. But it sure raises questions as to why providers of "luxury" services were granted access to the public right-of-way, since they don't provide anything that can be considered to be for "the good of the public", by their own admission. |
|
 NormanSPremium,MVM join:2001-02-14 San Jose, CA kudos:4 Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by JTRockville:Yes, it's what we're stuck with. But it sure raises questions as to why providers of "luxury" services were granted access to the public right-of-way, since they don't provide anything that can be considered to be for "the good of the public", by their own admission. The services around here are, mostly, not on public rights of way. At least, the last time I checked, the utility poles in the backyards in this neighborhood are not on public rights of way.
In any case, electric and telephone are for the public good. DSL just happens to be able to be served over POTS copper.
And cable TV is regulated; by your local franchise agencies. And cable Internet just happens to be able to be served over HFC coax.
So the basic infrastructure used to deliver Internet is heavily regulated by the government, even if Internet access, itself, is not. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
|
|
|
 | reply to Jwobot not sure why they are building on property. ATT put their uverse boxes along power lines in our community. They're ugly but not obtrusive. |
|
 JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to NormanS Surely you're aware that cable tv has been de-regulated, aren't you? There aren't very many aspects of cable tv service a franchise authority has authority over.
• They can bargain for PEGs when awarding a franchise (and they'll get sued if they dare ask for any). • They have final approval for prices set by the cable company for limited basic service (the package that includes over-the-air channels and PEGs), equipment installation charges, and equipment rental fees in areas with no effective competition. • They can enforce federal regulations for customer service (which are so weak they're at best, a joke).
Add it all up and it amounts to practically nothing but PEGs and a lawsuit.
And yes, the service known as "internet" (an entertainment service whereby the TOS prevents you from actually connecting to the internet) is totally exempt from regulation. |
|
 NormanSPremium,MVM join:2001-02-14 San Jose, CA kudos:4 Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by JTRockville:Surely you're aware that cable tv has been de-regulated, aren't you? Nope. We have satellite TV (never was regulated, beyond the FCC rules governing RF emissions, AFAIK). POTS is still regulated by the PUC (so I guess this really puts cable at an advantage); but Pacific Gas & Electric owns most of the utility poles around here, and AT&T and Comcast just hitch a ride.
Maybe the city could tell Comcast to get their coax and fiber out of dodge; but I wonder if PG&E would stand by for any revenue loss? -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
|
 JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD | Cities don't have the authority to tell Comcast (or any other cable company) to get out of dodge. |
|
 koma3504AdvocatePremium join:2004-06-22 North Richland Hills, TX | reply to gateguy Ya know there just tring to do there job so why give them a hard time?? Quit being a Ass and let them get to the easement. Im almost sure if they wanted to be Asses as well you would lose and there would be nothing you could do to keep them from crossing your back yard to get to the Easement. If they need to get heavy machinery to the easment its gonna mess up ya yard regardless of that retaining wall. |
|
 gateguyPremium join:2001-02-12 Reisterstown, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| said by koma3504:Im almost sure if they wanted to be Asses as well you would lose and there would be nothing you could do to keep them from crossing your back yard to get to the Easement. I am certain my shotgun and my private property rights disagree with your opinion. -- Without data, it is just an opinion |
|
 NormanSPremium,MVM join:2001-02-14 San Jose, CA kudos:4 | I am sure that, assuming an easement exists, your local constabulary will trump your shotgun. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
|
 NormanSPremium,MVM join:2001-02-14 San Jose, CA kudos:4 Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to JTRockville
 Utilities on a pole. |
said by JTRockville:Cities don't have the authority to tell Comcast (or any other cable company) to get out of dodge. I was being facetious, but...the photo shows where Comcast is (hanging above AT&T, but below PG&E). Where is this "public right of way" that you mentioned? -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
|
 | reply to gateguy I'm sure the utility employee, his manager, their securities officer, and the Sheriff's Deputies they'll bring will trump your shotgun due to the easement rights. |
|
 gateguyPremium join:2001-02-12 Reisterstown, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to NormanS Reading comprehension needed.
At no point did I say I would deny them access to the easement.
I would deny them access to the easement across private property. They still have the ability to get to the easement (or did you just miss that when you skimmed over my post) |
|
 gateguyPremium join:2001-02-12 Reisterstown, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to bogey780 Reading comprehension needed part 2.
At no point did I say I would deny them access to the easement.
I would deny them access to the easement across private property. They still have the ability to get to the easement (or did you just miss that when you skimmed over my post) |
|
 NormanSPremium,MVM join:2001-02-14 San Jose, CA kudos:4 | reply to gateguy I didn't skim over your post. I think you just don't understand easement, and law. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
|
 JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to NormanS said by NormanS:...the photo shows where Comcast is (hanging above AT&T, but below PG&E). Where is this "public right of way" that you mentioned? The poles are on public property. Comcast can rent space on the pole from the owner of the pole, but only if they're granted permission from the city, or whoever the franchise authority is. Owning the pole, or renting space on the pole doesn't mean you own the property where the pole is installed.
But you already knew that. |
|
 NormanSPremium,MVM join:2001-02-14 San Jose, CA kudos:4 Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
1 edit | They are not. There is absolutly no public access to the properthy the poles are set on. "Easement" != "Public Right of Way".
Comcast can rent space on the pole from the owner of the pole, but only if they're granted permission from the city, or whoever the franchise authority is. Owning the pole, or renting space on the pole doesn't mean you own the property where the pole is installed.
But you already knew that. None of which makes the poles "public property", or the property on which the poles are set, for that matter.
It occurs to me that I am taking something for granted. Who actually owns utility poles in Rockland, Maryland? And, if they are owned by municipal utilities, is that the norm for the nation?
In California, electricity is served, primarily, by one of two investor owned, private corporations: Pacific Gas & Electric (north) and Southern California Edison (south). There are a couple of exceptions that I know of:
The City of Palo Alto. The County of Sacramento.
There are others, though I don't know of any examples. For the most part, though, in Santa Clara County, California, all utility poles not belonging to the City of Palo Alto belong, for the most part, to a private corporation: PG&E. And, in my neighborhood, those poles are set on private property, as well.
-- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
|
 a333A hot cup of integrals please join:2007-06-12 Rego Park, NY | reply to moonpuppy Exactly, at least FiOS uses PON tech that doesn't need huge boxes on the street/poles. Boxes there are, but only IF you want service. |
|
 JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to NormanS Yes, the poles themselves aren't public property. Here in Rockville, the electric company owns about half of them, and Verizon owns the other half.
No matter who owns the pole, the property the pole sits on is, for the most part, public property.
Sure, there are a few here-or-there that sit on private property, but the right to use the property to serve the public good (the easement) is granted by the franchise authority, not the property owner. |
|
 NormanSPremium,MVM join:2001-02-14 San Jose, CA kudos:4 Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| If the pole is owned by the electric company, or Verizon, access to the pole is governed, largely, by the state PUC.
The local franchise authority is only involved with cable infrastructure.
In the S.F. Bay Area, between roughly 1955 and 1975, new subdivisions were built with the utility poles along the back lot lines of the property. Considering that covers a significant part of a building boom where poles were set (subsequent to 1975, buried utilities are the rule), I'd guess that as many as half the poles around here sit on private property. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
|