Is this really cheating? in General Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20435284 en Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:32:09 EDT Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:32:09 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473870 Desdinova : No, I got 'em... :) I've just found that "integrity" is usually a self-referential word whose definition varies from social field to social field. It seems to be a constant whose only consistency is its variance. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473870 Tue, 13 May 2008 04:33:11 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450008 nirvansk815 :
said by pp03 See Profile :

So I'm finishing up my finals, my blood pressure is at like 170/120(really) and I finally hit some relief...but I feel bad about it.

Without going into too much detail. I'm busting out these investigations into companies...long and drawn out things that I have put off to the last minute.

Well, to get to the point, the syllabus has this crap on it about academic integrity. So the professor has this URL listed with these templates we have to fill in, in for many aspects of it...in my boredom I decided to mess around with the URL's (they are those tricky »www.lala.com/8984234/234324243-2···whatever, with no rhyme or reason) anyways I changed one number and my download became the teachers edition of the templates with all the numbers and information filled in.

God that feels good, I just cut my work load by about a week...but will honesty get the best of me :(

Is it really cheating? I mean technically they are just doing all the sourcing for me !!!!!! Ahhhhhh!
Everyone thinks they are right...so stop asking everyone. Ask yourself...listen to your response...and be done with it. If this algorithm takes longer than 5 seconds terminate the program.
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said by 05241201 See Profile :

So you are saying you've never cheated? I find that hard to believe. :huh:

If he's going to get a better grade by using it then he should do it. America is about bettering your situation. He is helping himself, and isn't hurting anybody along the way. Seems cut and dry to me.
There are a number of wrong things I've done in life, test-cheating among them... especially in my early years. That does not make them right, then or now - and I sensed when I did them that such things were wrong. Along the way, some very kind (and firm) folks pointed me in better directions, and for that I'll be eternally grateful. But had they instead taught me to rationalize away those wrong behaviors in much the same terms as exhibited in so many posts of this thread, I tremble to think what I might have ended up doing to others as life unfolded.

Regarding your other comments:
If he's going to get a better grade by using it then he should do it.
So it's all simply about getting a better grade, especially if the grade is obtained by cheating (which it is when it's gotten by obtaining an answer key using unauthorized means)?
America is about bettering your situation.
And that's what it all comes down to: 'bettering' your situation by whatever means? As RangerTX See Profile has stated, "Win at any cost"? Does that really constitute "bettering" your 'situation'?
He is helping himself, and isn't hurting anybody along the way.
If he's damaging his integrity, he certainly hasn't helped himself - and how can you know who else he may (or may not) actually have hurt - particularly honest students who didn't cheat and whose grades may be curved downward because of such a cheating incident?
Seems cut and dry to me.
On that we agree... I'm sure it seems that way to you.
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Cheating applies to mostly those who simply do not learn the course material and use the answers to pass examinations, this is why testing or exams fail to stop students from passing courses they have no knowledge about, it shows that the standard testing method is not always accurate in eliminating potential sour apples.

A better form of examination is by practice and actual problems done in real time which are thrown at you and must solve. There is no cheating in this form of exam because you have nothing more than a piece of chalk or marker on hand, and need to apply what you learned.

Use the information to learn, not to cheat.

If it where me I would print it out and do the problems myself and turn it into the professor the next day with the scrap sheets showing what I did to solve him. He might be pissed but at the same time he will sit down and explain to you why a problem is wrong and correct you. He will also know his test has been compromised and will change it accordingly.

To a professor the best gift you can give them is you actually learning the course material and master it. If he is worried about his stupid little test more than his students actually learning something then he is not worth your time.

Just be proficient in whatever it is that you are studying for. That's all that matters.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20448080 Wed, 07 May 2008 20:12:40 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446501 drew : the only problem is that you seem to have no morals and your ethics are non existent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446501 Wed, 07 May 2008 15:22:37 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446402 RangerTX :
said by ccallana See Profile :

said by RangerTX See Profile :

In op case, risk seem to be very small and reward is big.
That's where the problem lies - the risk is not small. The risk is *huge* - your personal integrity. This is way bigger than any grade or class or even going to jail. If you do not have your integrity, what do you have?
I personally would have no problem with my integrity just because i was able to find a shortcut. Each person has to decide for them self, what they can and can't do be it because of risk/reward, morality, ethics or for some other reason.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446402 Wed, 07 May 2008 15:06:32 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446396 nwrickert :
said by pp03 See Profile :

So I'm finishing up my finals, my blood pressure is at like 170/120(really) and I finally hit some relief...but I feel bad about it.
Skip all of the discussion of cheating. You need to do something about your blood pressure. That should be the real issue.
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said by RangerTX See Profile :

In op case, risk seem to be very small and reward is big.
That's where the problem lies - the risk is not small. The risk is *huge* - your personal integrity. This is way bigger than any grade or class or even going to jail. If you do not have your integrity, what do you have?
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said by javaMan See Profile :

said by RangerTX See Profile :

Let me clarify my statement being that you took it to extreme. Win at any cost as long as chances of getting caught is low and if caught punishment is acceptable in risk -reward.

1)if you can sneak in to your competitors building and steal trade secrets without getting caught, i would say go for it. Countries spy on other country's all the time.
2)If you run a guy down, and get caught you will be in prison for a while. If you feel that reward of getting to meting on time is worth more then possible punishment, than go for it.
3) See #1
4) See #2
I speak foolishly but if this is prevailing morality in cities like Los Angeles then it is high time we drop a bomb and destroy them all before they have the opportunity to completely pollute the rest of society. Your statements like these are so twisted I always wonder whether you do it just for the sake of being contrary. I find it unfathomable that anyone would actually believe some of things you post.
Those views are extreme, just raised it up in order to reply. No i would not advocate run down a person just to get to a meting faster etc. But the fact still remains we just risk/reward all the time

In op case, risk seem to be very small and reward is big. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446379 Wed, 07 May 2008 15:00:49 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446368 javaMan :
said by Steve See Profile :

said by javaMan See Profile :

I speak foolishly but if this is prevailing morality
Memo to this thread: he's a troll, please don't feed him.
Thanks. You are right of course.
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said by javaMan See Profile :

I speak foolishly but if this is prevailing morality
Memo to this thread: he's a troll, please don't feed him.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446359 Wed, 07 May 2008 14:57:36 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446307 javaMan :
said by RangerTX See Profile :

Let me clarify my statement being that you took it to extreme. Win at any cost as long as chances of getting caught is low and if caught punishment is acceptable in risk -reward.

1)if you can sneak in to your competitors building and steal trade secrets without getting caught, i would say go for it. Countries spy on other country's all the time.
2)If you run a guy down, and get caught you will be in prison for a while. If you feel that reward of getting to meting on time is worth more then possible punishment, than go for it.
3) See #1
4) See #2
I speak foolishly but if this is prevailing morality in cities like Los Angeles then it is high time we drop a bomb and destroy them all before they have the opportunity to completely pollute the rest of society. Your statements like these are so twisted I always wonder whether you do it just for the sake of being contrary. I find it unfathomable that anyone would actually believe some of things you post.
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To maintain any form of respect for somebody besides yourself, as well as some sort of personal honor and dignity, how can you justify this stance?

Does anybody care about anybody else anymore? Its my needs first, everyone else fend for themselves... If I can be more sneaky then the next guy, I win, regardless of how it affects them or the people around me.

So by your world view, I can do anything I want as long as risk/reward for myself personally is ok.

So if I said that your statements here are so wrong, I'm going to fly down to LA, hunt you down and kill your family to teach you a lesson, and I'm willing to spend a few years in jail for that act, I'm totally justified in doing that?

Seems like a pretty whacked out world view to me....
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said by ccallana See Profile :

said by RangerTX See Profile :

said by ccallana See Profile :

Win at all costs? to hell with anything and everyone? Holy Cow... this is the kind of thing that scares me to death...
Yes win at any cost.
To maintain any form of respect for somebody besides yourself, as well as some sort of personal honor and dignity, how can you justify this stance?

So for my company to get more sales, its ok to sneak into our competitors building and steal trade secrets? Win at any cost.

I'm late for a meeting, and some guy is walking across the cross walk too slow - run him over so I can be on time? Win at any cost.

I'm failing a class, break into the prof's office and steal the test answers? Win at any cost.

A coworker is about to get a promotion that I would get if he wasn't around, kill him so I get the promotion. Win at any cost.

Is any of this really winning?
Let me clarify my statement being that you took it to extreme. Win at any cost as long as chances of getting caught is low and if caught punishment is acceptable in risk -reward.

1)if you can sneak in to your competitors building and steal trade secrets without getting caught, i would say go for it. Countries spy on other country's all the time.
2)If you run a guy down, and get caught you will be in prison for a while. If you feel that reward of getting to meting on time is worth more then possible punishment, than go for it.
3) See #1
4) See #2]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446235 Wed, 07 May 2008 14:37:19 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446203 ccallana :
said by RangerTX See Profile :

said by ccallana See Profile :

Win at all costs? to hell with anything and everyone? Holy Cow... this is the kind of thing that scares me to death...
Yes win at any cost.
To maintain any form of respect for somebody besides yourself, as well as some sort of personal honor and dignity, how can you justify this stance?

So for my company to get more sales, its ok to sneak into our competitors building and steal trade secrets? Win at any cost.

I'm late for a meeting, and some guy is walking across the cross walk too slow - run him over so I can be on time? Win at any cost.

I'm failing a class, break into the prof's office and steal the test answers? Win at any cost.

A coworker is about to get a promotion that I would get if he wasn't around, kill him so I get the promotion. Win at any cost.

Is any of this really winning?
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Maybe the test was a "test", think about that for a while.
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said by ccallana See Profile :

Win at all costs? to hell with anything and everyone? Holy Cow... this is the kind of thing that scares me to death...
Yes win at any cost. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20445559 Wed, 07 May 2008 12:39:33 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20444593 ccallana :
said by RangerTX See Profile :

said by ccallana See Profile :

said by 05241201 See Profile :

America is about bettering your situation. He is helping himself, and isn't hurting anybody along the way. Seems cut and dry to me.
Unless the class is graded on a curve ;)
In that case, every person for him self. You take any and all advantage that come your way.
Win at all costs? to hell with anything and everyone? Holy Cow... this is the kind of thing that scares me to death...
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EDIT: and yes i have cheated a number of times, in all things (sometimes i pass cars using the carpool lane :o). However, I do feel a slight sting to my soul whenever i do cheat and i try to be honest and earn my success. As I have grown older, I have come to cherish my honesty and integrity that i did not always have in abundance as a youth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443968 Wed, 07 May 2008 04:33:05 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443963 mr_slick : Those "integrity comments" just sailed way over your head didn't they :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443963 Wed, 07 May 2008 04:28:20 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443861 Hayward : Is this really cheating?

You even asked the question.... of course it is... now comes to a question of ethics... let alone what you found is really what it seemed and not just someone elses answers.
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said by ccallana See Profile :

said by 05241201 See Profile :

America is about bettering your situation. He is helping himself, and isn't hurting anybody along the way. Seems cut and dry to me.
Unless the class is graded on a curve ;)
In that case, every person for him self. You take any and all advantage that come your way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443808 Wed, 07 May 2008 02:44:42 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443779 ccallana :
said by 05241201 See Profile :

America is about bettering your situation. He is helping himself, and isn't hurting anybody along the way. Seems cut and dry to me.
Unless the class is graded on a curve ;)
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He's cheating and it's wrong. What more is there to discuss?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443728 Wed, 07 May 2008 02:16:26 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443723 05241201 : So you are saying you've never cheated? I find that hard to believe. :huh:

If he's going to get a better grade by using it then he should do it. America is about bettering your situation. He is helping himself, and isn't hurting anybody along the way. Seems cut and dry to me.
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I agree with you completely on that point. But I'm still comfortable with my post's assertions. Passing a test on information you understand and know how to use (but may have taken some shortcuts on the testing process itself) is to me much preferred to passing a test on a subject that you know very little about. What if he passes by guessing most of the answers? In such a case his passing is less valid and more dishonest than the passing. All the test is really measuring in that circumstance is how well you know the test.

And yes, I understand the paradox of "if you knew the info that well you wouldn't need to 'cheat' to begin with" which is why I tried to confine my thoughts to whether or not he really knows the material and NOT how he demonstrates it to someone else.

But this is definitely a subject that invites more interesting debate and discussion than "why doesn't Mac ship bigger drives" and "Comcast sux"... :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443143 Tue, 06 May 2008 23:27:10 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443063 anon : Go for it.

Have a couple tokes when you get back to your room, you'll feel better in no time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443063 Tue, 06 May 2008 23:11:02 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443022 javaMan :
said by Desdinova See Profile :

. . .

So bottom line for me is, if you know how to do what you're being tested on and by using the reference work in question you can use your time (and peace of mind) more functionally, then go for it.
I guess we can add this as #16 to Blackbird See Profile's list. The "reference work" in question wasn't being made available to the students. If it were, it would have been posted as such. In such a case, it can't be termed reference work any more than the book you're plagiarizing can be called a reference work.
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said by Blackbird See Profile :

. . .
Wow! Just... wow...!
It's dumbfounding isn't it?
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So seriously, you should rat the hack out and NEVER take a class again, just start from scratch and discover how to do everything yourself because if you read how to do it in a book or take a course, why, that's cheating!! :D

Personally, I think learning is great and HOW you learned WHAT you learned is irrelevant if you know how to use it, store it and apply it in different circumstances. The testing process is NOT an end unto itself, it's merely a barometer to evaluate how familiar you are with the information; if you can remove someone's appendix with a pocket knife, I don't care if you learned at the Berlin Polytechnic or in Cub Scouts, all I care about is that you know what you're doing.

So bottom line for me is, if you know how to do what you're being tested on and by using the reference work in question you can use your time (and peace of mind) more functionally, then go for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20442949 Tue, 06 May 2008 22:48:44 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20442774 Blackbird :
said by RangerTX See Profile :

Just put #5 as #1, and you could ignore the rest of them. Welcome to the real world.
Ahh, yes. The real world. One can but wonder whether #1 thru #15 are a reflection of what it takes to succeed in that 'real' world... or whether they're indicative of the rationalization processes that all too often cause the 'real' world to be so very unreal.
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According to many of the comments in this thread, it would apparently be quite OK for him to go ahead and use that answer key...
1) if the answers were worded a certain way.
2) as long as he learned the material along the way.
3) if it saves him time.
4) if he knows the professor and how he grades.
5) if he checks the answers to make sure it's not a setup.
6) if he salts the answers with a few wrong ones.
7) if he rewords everything he uses from the key.
8) if he only uses it as a reference, and doesn't get caught.
9) after he tries to do the test work, if he gets stuck.
10) because it doesn't matter if its cheating, since everyone does it.
11) if it saves him a ton of work.
12) since it's really just like copying something from a textbook.
13) because ethics or morality don't exist or matter.
14) because that's how it works these days.
15) because everyone could have done it, and so he gained no advantage.

Wow! Just... wow...!
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said by javaMan See Profile :

said by Steve See Profile :

You can answer your own question: would you tell your teacher exactly how you did your work?

If not, it's because you already know that it's not honorable.
In an age of moral relativism personal honor seems to be a lost virtue. Rather than deciding an issue based on what one instinctively knows is right, opinions are now required in order to justify deviating from what should be a foregone conclusion. The most important asset anyone will ever have is their integrity. There is nothing of value for which it is worth trading. Nothing.
The guy who wrote "The Millionaire Next Door" wrote a follow up book where he interviewed the richest of the rich... the multi-multi millionaires (I forget the exact amount..) - he rated them on a bunch of traits - interviewing their friends, coworkers, etc... and then ranking them. For pretty much all of them, the number 1 trait, Integrity.

If its good enough for the richest people in the world, must be good enough for the rest of us :)

This was my favorite quote from above - shows what a state our culture is in. Doesn't matter what's right or wrong, as long as everyone else is doing it, its ok! How do you think we got here in the first place?

It doesn't matter if its cheating... use it. Everyone cheats these days, it's become a way of life.

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said by hurfy See Profile :

Go for it...and half of us will hope you found the paper for the flunky in the class instead of the teachers edition ;)
I'm always grateful to find so many people with so little integrity - it means that mine is so much more valuable.

Too bad that doesn't work for "humility" :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20441747 Tue, 06 May 2008 18:44:46 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20441303 hurfy : The ME generation in action eh....

Go for it...and half of us will hope you found the paper for the flunky in the class instead of the teachers edition ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20441303 Tue, 06 May 2008 17:23:36 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20441023 David : our instructor in college did something like this. He e-mailed us the test he was going to give us on friday and the answers.

The problem was: We had to show how we got the answer complete with any technical drawings we needed to prove it!

So basically he learned that a test is exactly that... a test.

I felt a lot of his exams were a lot harder in my point of view because he would do this. One time I got so ticked I started whiting out the answers with white out. He was like "don't you want to know if you are right" My answer was "I shouldn't need an answer to tell me if I am right. If I know the material very well, there shouldn't be the question pop up in my mind." He was a bit taken aback by that answer at first, but he respected my decision. I think from then on, he knew I wasn't f__king around!
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said by javaMan See Profile :

said by RangerTX See Profile :

Ethics? Morally? What is that. No such thing exist.

OP do what you have to do to get an A in the class and don't worry about if it's cheating or not, as it don't matter.
Sure there is. It is the basis of the legal system, whose use by your posting history, you have proven to be such a strong advocate. What you really mean is that it doesn't matter unless you get caught. That is an enlightened morality. :uhh:
Like ir or not, but that is how it works this days. Op might as well use the info he found as that is how real world works, and once he moves in to corporal world he will either be able to adapt or be left behind. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20440634 Tue, 06 May 2008 15:19:36 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20440588 javaMan :
said by RangerTX See Profile :

Ethics? Morally? What is that. No such thing exist.

OP do what you have to do to get an A in the class and don't worry about if it's cheating or not, as it don't matter.
Sure there is. It is the basis of the legal system, whose use by your posting history, you have proven to be such a strong advocate. What you really mean is that it doesn't matter unless you get caught. That is an enlightened morality. :uhh:
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said by MetroT1 See Profile :

You can try and justify it anyway that you want. However, the bottome line is this:

You have access to material that you weren't supposed to see. It is material that other students aren't supposed to have either. Therefore, you have an unfair advantage to completing an assignment and it *IS* cheating.

I'm ashamed that you've received replies such as "everyone else does it so do it." It just goes to show you the problems with this country. People just don't behave ethically or morally. It is all about what will help *them* get ahead in life.
Ethics? Morally? What is that. No such thing exist.

OP do what you have to do to get an A in the class and don't worry about if it's cheating or not, as it don't matter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20440502 Tue, 06 May 2008 14:58:26 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20440030 insomniac84 : Definitely not cheating. It wouldn't be cheating any more than copying a graph out of a textbook. But of course the school would probably call it cheating and hacking. So just take your answers from it and rephrase.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20440030 Tue, 06 May 2008 13:44:26 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439978 Titus Pullo :
said by ihaddsl See Profile :

said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

said by ihaddsl See Profile :

Of course it's cheating, and it doesn't matter if others do it or not, you should not
Did you read what I wrote? :huh:

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No prob :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439978 Tue, 06 May 2008 13:31:36 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439966 ihaddsl :
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

said by ihaddsl See Profile :

Of course it's cheating, and it doesn't matter if others do it or not, you should not
Did you read what I wrote? :huh:

Have you ever read an essay by a classmate who relied on cited works for more than half their essay? It's boring as hell and anyone can write that drivel because it requires hardly any critical thinking. My point was that if you do have integrity, and go through the process of 'artfully rewording' others' rhetorical stance or thesis support ... whatever, that you'll likely learn something in the process and go on to be a better writer/thinker yourself.

If you've no integrity, then it's a means to and end and you're cheating yourself.
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said by Steve See Profile :

You can answer your own question: would you tell your teacher exactly how you did your work?

If not, it's because you already know that it's not honorable.
In an age of moral relativism personal honor seems to be a lost virtue. Rather than deciding an issue based on what one instinctively knows is right, opinions are now required in order to justify deviating from what should be a foregone conclusion. The most important asset anyone will ever have is their integrity. There is nothing of value for which it is worth trading. Nothing.
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It completely sounds like cheating to me, from what little info you've given.

That said, I'm not saying I'm against cheating...but it's your call. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439901 Tue, 06 May 2008 13:16:11 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439759 TheWiseGuy : Good luck, you never know what the consequences will be.

»arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···693.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439759 Tue, 06 May 2008 12:45:14 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439413 Titus Pullo :
said by ihaddsl See Profile :

Of course it's cheating, and it doesn't matter if others do it or not, you should not
Did you read what I wrote? :huh:

Have you ever read an essay by a classmate who relied on cited works for more than half their essay? It's boring as hell and anyone can write that drivel because it requires hardly any critical thinking. My point was that if you do have integrity, and go through the process of 'artfully rewording' others' rhetorical stance or thesis support ... whatever, that you'll likely learn something in the process and go on to be a better writer/thinker yourself.

If you've no integrity, then it's a means to and end and you're cheating yourself.
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said by Steve See Profile :

You can answer your own question: would you tell your teacher exactly how you did your work?

If not, it's because you already know that it's not honorable.
Bingo!
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If not, it's because you already know that it's not honorable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439203 Tue, 06 May 2008 11:08:44 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439163 koam : Yes it's cheating but it won't matter to someone like you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439163 Tue, 06 May 2008 11:00:29 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439028 ihaddsl : Of course it's cheating, and it doesn't matter if others do it or not, you should not

Do the work, and you'll feel a whole lot better about it once it's finished, as well you'll gain from the process

cheat, and you won't have learned anything and you will have lost a little bit of your self along the way]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439028 Tue, 06 May 2008 10:34:22 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438963 Titus Pullo :
said by AdamB See Profile :

Most likely if you copied it, it would be considered cheating. You should reword everything if you are going to use the information. My university is pretty strict about academic integrity, they don't fool around.
Rewording has become an art form in its own right!

Oddly enough, I did as well (or no better) with essays containing reworded material as I did writing the entire work myself. The benefit in going the reworded route was improved skill at recasting complex thoughts into your own words --it's not easy to do well. I'm not talking about word order and synonyms here ... I mean ripping someone off conceptually and rewriting it from scratch.

Inevitably, the challenge of rewriting and weaving someone else's work with mine, and without attribution, became wholly unsatisfying vs. critically thinking my way entirely through a thesis work. But I do think the process of doing it the cheater's way improved my writing in the end. The key is giving that up and doing it yourself at some point, time notwithstanding.

As for college and academic integrity, I hope it has improved. Two colleges I attended employed proctored testing labs with internet access :uhh:
One went so far as to lock down the browsers, but you could still FTP while the proctors walked around gabbing amongst themselves.
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Does the school really care if you get an A or a B? No. They have your money that you paid to learn from the course. The test is a way to measure that learning. It is a measuring tool for you as it has no meaning to the school.

If you use the answers and never really learn how is that benefiting you? Will it get you a better job? Will the job require you to know what was on the test that you don't know because you got the answers?

These are questions you need to answer yourself. You paid good money to learn and part of that learning is the testing. If you want to use the answers then consider doing the test without the answers. Then see how your answers compare to the real answers. Learn from it.

In my opinion if you just use the answers to get through the test you are only cheating on yourself.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438910 Tue, 06 May 2008 10:07:03 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438866 CUBS_FAN : I wouldn't worry about the "Cheating" aspect of this thread but the fact that he was able to download content that was intended for the professors. My question is there any way that someone else is aware if this erroneous (*Breach*) download? There has to be someone monitoring the servers of where these files are downloaded from.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438866 Tue, 06 May 2008 09:52:03 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438676 rosco : go for it.
In my systems analysis class, a google search turned up the completed packet on our fake company that had to be turned in at the end of the semester, charts, specs, interviews, etc. it saved me a ton of grunt work, but I still took all the tests myself.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438676 Tue, 06 May 2008 08:50:36 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438645 mr_slick :
said by pp03 See Profile :

...snip....
In essence, the work is collecting data -- not learning anything. What the data produces is what you effectively base your answers off of, using the tables and charts you produce as evidence....snip....
If you actually apply yourself, you will learn something in this exercise.

Some possible things you may learn:

-how to work faster with mundane tasks like collecting data (believe it or not, even top paid executives still have to do this sometimes)

-how to deal with trying hard and failing (if you don't finish in time)

-time management techniques

-how to perform well in life when you are unable to cheat

Don't get me wrong, we all (myself included) cheat from time to time, but you will have to be the one who lives with it. When I was in school, I did not apply myself very well (partying too much :)). I did not do any homework assignments unless they were big projects and did not really study for tests.... I ended up getting Bs instead of the As I could have received.

I still wish I had tried a little harder-- not because I would be better off financially or any other 'material' measure, but because of how I feel inside looking back on my life.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438645 Tue, 06 May 2008 08:43:37 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438629 bjf123 :
said by pp03 See Profile :

I changed one number and my download became the teachers edition of the templates with all the numbers and information filled in.
Of course it's cheating! How would this be any different than finding the answer key to a multiple choice test and using it to fill in your test paper?
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said by MetroT1 See Profile :

You can try and justify it anyway that you want. However, the bottome line is this:

You have access to material that you weren't supposed to see. It is material that other students aren't supposed to have either. Therefore, you have an unfair advantage to completing an assignment and it *IS* cheating.

I'm ashamed that you've received replies such as "everyone else does it so do it." It just goes to show you the problems with this country. People just don't behave ethically or morally. It is all about what will help *them* get ahead in life.
Agreed. It does sound like the OP went from "it will get the best of me" to "I'll say I am doing it myself".

Good luck Nordic and let us know how it all plays out. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438581 Tue, 06 May 2008 08:19:07 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438561 MetroT1 : You can try and justify it anyway that you want. However, the bottome line is this:

You have access to material that you weren't supposed to see. It is material that other students aren't supposed to have either. Therefore, you have an unfair advantage to completing an assignment and it *IS* cheating.

I'm ashamed that you've received replies such as "everyone else does it so do it." It just goes to show you the problems with this country. People just don't behave ethically or morally. It is all about what will help *them* get ahead in life. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438561 Tue, 06 May 2008 08:06:53 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438538 pp03 : We don't always ask questions seeking definitive answers, sometimes we just want opinions.

I've further looked over everything and they are identical. Either way if I do them on my own or with what is provided they are only a means for deriving an answer, not the answer itself.

In essence, the work is collecting data -- not learning anything. What the data produces is what you effectively base your answers off of, using the tables and charts you produce as evidence.

Sadly if I do them myself or use the data provided it will look 100% the same, it is structured in that way. So I'll just say I'm doing it myself :)
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Companies, Politicians, Governments, local councils, Police... they all do it, so why not you?

Our ruling bodies are showing us by example, cheating and lying to get a head is OK!!!

The best things in life are not things.
LOL what complete claptrap...... you can't do anything today without money.... money is EVERYTHING!

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said by pp03 See Profile :

Well, to get to the point, the syllabus has this crap on it about academic integrity. So the professor has this URL listed with these templates we have to fill in, in for many aspects of it...in my boredom I decided to mess around with the URL's (they are those tricky »www.lala.com/8984234/234324243-2···whatever, with no rhyme or reason) anyways I changed one number and my download became the teachers edition of the templates with all the numbers and information filled in.

God that feels good, I just cut my work load by about a week...but will honesty get the best of me :(

Is it really cheating? I mean technically they are just doing all the sourcing for me !!!!!! Ahhhhhh!
I'm amused in one way, disgusted in another way. You asked the question, when you already knew the answer. There's a big difference between knowing how to do something and being able to do it. So, yes, it is cheating. You are cheating yourself.

The fact that there are so many "it's not cheating" comments in here says a lot about the current state of higher education.

The best things in life are not things.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438388 Tue, 06 May 2008 06:15:33 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438331 joako : Actually do the work. Refer to the answers if you get stuck and feel your blood pressure rising. Is it cheating if you get the answers from the book?
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said by pp03 See Profile :

So I'm finishing up my finals, my blood pressure is at like 170/120(really) and I finally hit some relief...but I feel bad about it.

Without going into too much detail. I'm busting out these investigations into companies...long and drawn out things that I have put off to the last minute.

Well, to get to the point, the syllabus has this crap on it about academic integrity. So the professor has this URL listed with these templates we have to fill in, in for many aspects of it...in my boredom I decided to mess around with the URL's (they are those tricky »www.lala.com/8984234/234324243-2···whatever, with no rhyme or reason) anyways I changed one number and my download became the teachers edition of the templates with all the numbers and information filled in.

God that feels good, I just cut my work load by about a week...but will honesty get the best of me :(

Is it really cheating? I mean technically they are just doing all the sourcing for me !!!!!! Ahhhhhh!
This is up to you. You shouldn't have to ask us this since it is obvious that it IS cheating.... I know most colleges / universities will kick students out of the school or suspend students for a semester or two if they find you plagiarizing work. It isn't worth it... I'd use it as a reference, but just make sure you don't get caught whatever you do... Ethics is one thing.... Losing years of work on a degree due to a stupid move is another..

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Put it this way i was once a tattle tell. Some were getting good grades always. Me also. Then one let me in on a secret of a TA giving the answers to some but not all. Those above me always. There where some getting grades worse than me not in on it. But because of the artificial curve well f them. Me I still had an A on work. But a lower A plus if I remember a B in one class because of the curve.
Still you not the same just put in random numbers like a lottery. Maybe you will become a big ceo sell the US out to china leave the US in ruins and move to an overseas mansion. Good for you. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438126 Tue, 06 May 2008 02:08:07 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437947 koolman2 : Tell the professor what you found and how, then he'll change the test and you won't have to worry.
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said by DataDoc See Profile :

How do you know it's not a honeypot?
just put a few wrong answers to be sure
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Or, that may not be the teacher's edition, it may be someone else's answers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435642 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:57:33 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435552 anon :
said by pp03 See Profile :

LOL, yeah screw ethics.

Nah it is not A-B-C, it is charts and the evaluation of companies vs their peers, liquidity, all that good stuff.

Oh trust me, I'm not cheating myself out of the material...it's a tie it together course.
I have known text book answers to be wrong. Also depends on how the professor grades and how much they look at answers. Only you know the professor.
Plus are these real companies or fake companies put together for the text book. If real does the professor want current answers or answers for a set year. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435552 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:41:18 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435447 pp03 : LOL, yeah screw ethics.

Nah it is not A-B-C, it is charts and the evaluation of companies vs their peers, liquidity, all that good stuff.

Oh trust me, I'm not cheating myself out of the material...it's a tie it together course.
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If you're worried about ethics then don't use it, it's simple. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435418 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:18:34 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435411 DJMADfx : Use the found answers, but make it a point to teach yourself the material so you are not cheating yourself. You just won't have the pressure of "what if I failed". If you can prove to yourself that you know the material you will feel better about the situation. If you have high blood pressure already, nothing is worth worsening your health over.
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1,000 post mark hit on 1/4/03 at 11:10PM EST. :) HacK ThE PlaneT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435411 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:17:35 EDT Re: Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435311 TOPDAWG : What kind of answers is it? Like A,B? If it is fork it go ahead and do it. Just make sure you look over the ?'s and get a few wrong that are the harder ones.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435311 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:01:16 EDT Is this really cheating? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435284 pp03 : So I'm finishing up my finals, my blood pressure is at like 170/120(really) and I finally hit some relief...but I feel bad about it.

Without going into too much detail. I'm busting out these investigations into companies...long and drawn out things that I have put off to the last minute.

Well, to get to the point, the syllabus has this crap on it about academic integrity. So the professor has this URL listed with these templates we have to fill in, in for many aspects of it...in my boredom I decided to mess around with the URL's (they are those tricky »www.lala.com/8984234/234324243-2···whatever, with no rhyme or reason) anyways I changed one number and my download became the teachers edition of the templates with all the numbers and information filled in.

God that feels good, I just cut my work load by about a week...but will honesty get the best of me :(

Is it really cheating? I mean technically they are just doing all the sourcing for me !!!!!! Ahhhhhh!
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