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Re: FAP said by wbertram:said by dvd536:For cable. the death knell if they do that Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better! Bye! What is considered abuse? Comcast doesn't know, unless they go by that 1% rule, which changes every month. So if the hidden cap is 100 gigs one month, and you use 90, you're not an abuser, but if the next month it is 80 gigs, and you still use 90, you have become an abuser?
Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it? |
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but they don't have to because there is little or no competition. |
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It goes by market.
Say you are in a market where 300GB is doable and you do it, but I am in a market that only 100GB is doable... Comcast will most likely set EVERYONE to the lowest across the board.
Now YOU would be an abuser and get "The Call" or booted.
Sound tasty?
Not that either number above(100 or 300GB) would ever affect most subs(or me), I know a couple people that think 100GB per month would suck!
Do you really want to get low-balled?
What if they nail us all at... 60GB? 50GB?
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said by MrSpock29:Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it? A hard cap would be good in the fact that everyone will know what it is, downside is that a hard cap will be alot lower then the "invisible" soft cap that can change depending on area usage.
As for giving a way to tracking that would depend on subscriber to do that. There are speedlimits on the road, it isnt up to police to make sure you have a spedometer only to enforce the rules. Same would apply to insuring a person doesnt go over stated caps. |
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said by MrSpock29:said by wbertram:said by dvd536:For cable. the death knell if they do that Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better! Bye! What is considered abuse? Comcast doesn't know, unless they go by that 1% rule, which changes every month. So if the hidden cap is 100 gigs one month, and you use 90, you're not an abuser, but if the next month it is 80 gigs, and you still use 90, you have become an abuser? Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it? Um that's kind of the point of the article. They WOULD have a clear defined cap. ALL isps have caps. I can guarantee that. I doubt you could download a TB or 2 of data without your ISP bringing to your attention that you're using too much bandwidth. So why not just be open about it?
of curse they'd have to give you tools to track your usuage. Ther are actually tools you can use right now. I like DU Meter. You can get a free 30 trial
»www.download.com/DU-Meter/3000-2···10760704 |
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said by Ebolla:said by MrSpock29:Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it? A hard cap would be good in the fact that everyone will know what it is, downside is that a hard cap will be alot lower then the "invisible" soft cap that can change depending on area usage. As for giving a way to tracking that would depend on subscriber to do that. There are speedlimits on the road, it isnt up to police to make sure you have a spedometer only to enforce the rules. Same would apply to insuring a person doesnt go over stated caps. Yes, I do realize that a hard cap will be lower, as Comcast top brass has said this. As far as tracking, most people, including myself, don't know how to track usage, and usage varies depending on slingbox usage, youtube, a few wireless computers and other users in the house, etc. Providing a tracking tool shouldn't be that hard. |
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of curse they'd have to give you tools to track your usuage. Ther are actually tools you can use right now. I like DU Meter. You can get a free 30 trial
All well and good for one computer. A not-insignificant portion of households have two or more. Sure they could put two and two together, but people are stupid, and why should they have to?
It'd just be ridiculous for a service with hard usage limits not to give you a way to track your own usage. |
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| I used to use DUmeter when I had one pc, as soon as we got more than one, my DUmeter usage went from like 25-75gb mo to 100-300gb mo. Of course the jump was because we used one pc as a file server and would just stream music/video from it, but it made keeping track of actual internet usage impossible.
What they would need to do would be to offer a meter in the modem. So only traffic passing through the modem gets counted and no LAN traffic gets counted. |
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| said by Boogeyman:I used to use DUmeter when I had one pc, as soon as we got more than one, my DUmeter usage went from like 25-75gb mo to 100-300gb mo. Of course the jump was because we used one pc as a file server and would just stream music/video from it, but it made keeping track of actual internet usage impossible. What they would need to do would be to offer a meter in the modem. So only traffic passing through the modem gets counted and no LAN traffic gets counted. Use the free "NetLimiter 2 Monitor". It can distinguish between internet and intranet traffic. Just install on each PC.
Of course, a router based measurement tool(available in some wireless routers) would be better because of XBox and similar game consoles also generating traffic.
And best would be an ISP based system that was queryable from a web page.
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Boogeyman:I used to use DUmeter when I had one pc, as soon as we got more than one, my DUmeter usage went from like 25-75gb mo to 100-300gb mo. Of course the jump was because we used one pc as a file server and would just stream music/video from it, but it made keeping track of actual internet usage impossible. What they would need to do would be to offer a meter in the modem. So only traffic passing through the modem gets counted and no LAN traffic gets counted. Use the free "NetLimiter 2 Monitor". It can distinguish between internet and intranet traffic. Just install on each PC. Of course, a router based measurement tool(available in some wireless routers) would be better because of XBox and similar game consoles also generating traffic. And best would be an ISP based system that was queryable from a web page. Tomato has a measurement tool built in. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Boogeyman:I used to use DUmeter when I had one pc, as soon as we got more than one, my DUmeter usage went from like 25-75gb mo to 100-300gb mo. Of course the jump was because we used one pc as a file server and would just stream music/video from it, but it made keeping track of actual internet usage impossible. What they would need to do would be to offer a meter in the modem. So only traffic passing through the modem gets counted and no LAN traffic gets counted. Use the free "NetLimiter 2 Monitor". It can distinguish between internet and intranet traffic. Just install on each PC. Of course, a router based measurement tool(available in some wireless routers) would be better because of XBox and similar game consoles also generating traffic. And best would be an ISP based system that was queryable from a web page. Thats the other problem, I have my Wii connected.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:Of course, a router based measurement tool(available in some wireless routers) would be better because of XBox and similar game consoles also generating traffic. I doubt that most consumers are going to fork over the $400 it costs for a low end Cisco router that keeps accurate bit counts in SNMP. (Yes, we all know there are cheaper routers with SNMP, but reliability of that data is always suspect for a number of reasons - some hardware, most firmware limitations) |
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said by Boogeyman:said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Boogeyman:I used to use DUmeter when I had one pc, as soon as we got more than one, my DUmeter usage went from like 25-75gb mo to 100-300gb mo. Of course the jump was because we used one pc as a file server and would just stream music/video from it, but it made keeping track of actual internet usage impossible. What they would need to do would be to offer a meter in the modem. So only traffic passing through the modem gets counted and no LAN traffic gets counted. Use the free "NetLimiter 2 Monitor". It can distinguish between internet and intranet traffic. Just install on each PC. Of course, a router based measurement tool(available in some wireless routers) would be better because of XBox and similar game consoles also generating traffic. And best would be an ISP based system that was queryable from a web page. Thats the other problem, I have my Wii connected. Do you know off hand which routers have that capability through firmware? Some Linksys and other models running DD-WRT freeware firmware support traffic data collection.
»www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Su···_Devices
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