Re: FAP in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20436145 en Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:33:41 EDT Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:33:41 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443423 anon : The problem, as I see it, is that once the company starts, things only get worse. Satellite internet FAPs are in the range 7.5 to 15 GB/mo or 200 MB/day (download, uploads are typically 1/3 of the download limits) depending on which service you use. The only difference between accounts is the price and the download limit. Cell phones use similar limits simply to make more money; my family has to pay the extra $20/mo because we typically use 750 minutes between our three phones but the cutoff is 700. In summary, I predict that if the cable companies implement FAPs, they will not be 500 GB, they will be 20 GB for the first tier, 50 GB for an extra $20/mo 100 GB for an extra $50/mo; and we will have no choice but to either stop using YouTube etc or pay through our noses.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20443423 Wed, 07 May 2008 01:04:57 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439638 espaeth :
said by a333 See Profile :

IPTV is just one of cable/satellite's problems. Do you HONESTLY think that IP-based content delivery will always remain at bay?
For the foreseeable future, absolutely. Assuming a modest 1mbps stream for IPTV, that means that to broadcast a show like American Idol would require 37,000,000mbps (37 TERAbit!) of bandwidth at the headend. That's only for a single show!

Unicast IP streams will never scale to replace standard broadcast/satellite/cable TV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20439638 Tue, 06 May 2008 12:24:50 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438914 wifi4milez :
said by RARPSL See Profile :

said by openbox9 See Profile :

Sounds like you need to lease a DS-x circuit. Pick the capacity and the business account "extras" that you want...of course you need to be willing to pay for them.
No I do not. What I am stating is that if the only difference between a "Residential" Account and a so-called "Business" Account is the cost then it is not a TRUE Business Class Account but just a way of charging extra money for no benefit to the user except as protection money to fend off the ISP Goons. What is the extra money supposed to be being charged for and what is the difference in the two accounts?
I am a bit confused here. Are you questioning if there is a difference between a business account and a residential account?? If so, feel free to go to any providers website and peruse the details yourself. They all very clearly spell out the differences, which generally include (depending on provider of course) but are not limited to:

1) Static IP
2) Ability to run servers without violating the TOS
3) Higher download/upload
4) "Priority" customer service
5) No caps

Some even come with SLA's. I suggest you read a little more about business class products before you comment further. I can also assure you the extra money paid has nothing to do with "protection money" for the "ISP Goons", whatever that even means.
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said by openbox9 See Profile :

Sounds like you need to lease a DS-x circuit. Pick the capacity and the business account "extras" that you want...of course you need to be willing to pay for them.
No I do not. What I am stating is that if the only difference between a "Residential" Account and a so-called "Business" Account is the cost then it is not a TRUE Business Class Account but just a way of charging extra money for no benefit to the user except as protection money to fend off the ISP Goons. What is the extra money supposed to be being charged for and what is the difference in the two accounts?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437837 Tue, 06 May 2008 00:34:25 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437699 TK Junk Mail :
said by Boogeyman See Profile :

said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by Boogeyman See Profile :

I used to use DUmeter when I had one pc, as soon as we got more than one, my DUmeter usage went from like 25-75gb mo to 100-300gb mo. Of course the jump was because we used one pc as a file server and would just stream music/video from it, but it made keeping track of actual internet usage impossible.

What they would need to do would be to offer a meter in the modem. So only traffic passing through the modem gets counted and no LAN traffic gets counted.
Use the free "NetLimiter 2 Monitor". It can distinguish between internet and intranet traffic. Just install on each PC.

Of course, a router based measurement tool(available in some wireless routers) would be better because of XBox and similar game consoles also generating traffic.

And best would be an ISP based system that was queryable from a web page.
Thats the other problem, I have my Wii connected.

Do you know off hand which routers have that capability through firmware?
Some Linksys and other models running DD-WRT freeware firmware support traffic data collection.
»www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Su···_Devices
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said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

Of course, a router based measurement tool(available in some wireless routers) would be better because of XBox and similar game consoles also generating traffic.
I doubt that most consumers are going to fork over the $400 it costs for a low end Cisco router that keeps accurate bit counts in SNMP. (Yes, we all know there are cheaper routers with SNMP, but reliability of that data is always suspect for a number of reasons - some hardware, most firmware limitations)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437688 Mon, 05 May 2008 23:52:42 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437397 Boogeyman :
said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by Boogeyman See Profile :

I used to use DUmeter when I had one pc, as soon as we got more than one, my DUmeter usage went from like 25-75gb mo to 100-300gb mo. Of course the jump was because we used one pc as a file server and would just stream music/video from it, but it made keeping track of actual internet usage impossible.

What they would need to do would be to offer a meter in the modem. So only traffic passing through the modem gets counted and no LAN traffic gets counted.
Use the free "NetLimiter 2 Monitor". It can distinguish between internet and intranet traffic. Just install on each PC.

Of course, a router based measurement tool(available in some wireless routers) would be better because of XBox and similar game consoles also generating traffic.

And best would be an ISP based system that was queryable from a web page.
Thats the other problem, I have my Wii connected.

Do you know off hand which routers have that capability through firmware?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437397 Mon, 05 May 2008 22:49:47 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437346 lordofwhee :
said by espaeth See Profile :

said by pfak See Profile :

Why do you assume just because someone can use 17GB a day that they are breaking the law? I do 10GB a day worth of traffic and I'm certainly not breaking the law.
Are you suggesting that your traffic is representative of the overwhelming majority of high bandwidth users?
Amazingly, some people simply use a lot of bandwidth. They pay for their connection, why should they have to pay more simply because they actually want to USE it?

If you only use your 6 MB/s connection to check your email and browse ebay, then whatever, but some people, like me, use it for other things, like downloading (and no, not downloading stuff the NAZIAA will sue over).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437346 Mon, 05 May 2008 22:40:21 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437052 a333 : IPTV is just one of cable/satellite's problems. Do you HONESTLY think that IP-based content delivery will always remain at bay? You might as well have said iTunes would never work back in 2003 when it first was introduced.
As to the 1% idea, I don't think you understand my point. Once Comcast shaves off the "top 1%" aka "abusers", they'll repeat the cycle with the next "top 1%". This has nothing to do with the ratio of subs they add, as it doesn't change the fact that, a few years into the future, you no longer will have to be a BBR user to download gigagobs of data. Why do you think Comcast touts speed as its advantage? Why do you think most cablecos and Verizon FiOS offer 30 Mbit speeds, with FiOS even offering SYMMETRIC 20 Mbit speeds TODAY? (besides a 50/20 Mbit package)
They ALL know that IP-based content is the future. You can't go against the tide, but rather have to adjust to your customers' changing needs. The days of the occasional file download are gone. Streaming media's the rage now, so poke your head out the portfolio and smell the coffee beans, buddy. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20437052 Mon, 05 May 2008 21:40:42 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436712 ptrowski :
said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by Boogeyman See Profile :

I used to use DUmeter when I had one pc, as soon as we got more than one, my DUmeter usage went from like 25-75gb mo to 100-300gb mo. Of course the jump was because we used one pc as a file server and would just stream music/video from it, but it made keeping track of actual internet usage impossible.

What they would need to do would be to offer a meter in the modem. So only traffic passing through the modem gets counted and no LAN traffic gets counted.
Use the free "NetLimiter 2 Monitor". It can distinguish between internet and intranet traffic. Just install on each PC.

Of course, a router based measurement tool(available in some wireless routers) would be better because of XBox and similar game consoles also generating traffic.

And best would be an ISP based system that was queryable from a web page.
Tomato has a measurement tool built in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436712 Mon, 05 May 2008 20:27:23 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436705 TheMG : Shaw cable has had a 100GB cap on their "extreme" (10mbps) service for a long time.

And somehow, I never heard anyone complain about it... funny how that works huh?

Capped service is nowhere near as bad as a lot of people are saying, when the caps are reasonable.

Australians on the other hand have plenty of reason to complain, their caps are downright ridiculous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436705 Mon, 05 May 2008 20:26:27 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436660 knightmb :
said by kelso See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

Also if you live in an area where cable is you're only option for broadband how is that a death knell? What are you going to do go back oto dial-up?
With logic like that, Comcast could just increase the rates, or set a cap that would pick up some bucks from unaware customers. Rinse and repeat every 6 months.

How many people even know what how much they down/up load per month ? Not many !
Yes, the essence of the situation, they currently don't need to know. But, as soon as they get hit with an overage charge, they will get pissed.

Well I guess it's better to get pissed off than pissed on.
But, What are they going to do, go back to dial-up ?
I can tell you as a small ISP myself that the "causal" users still use 2 or 3 GB daily. The power users burn up every bit of bandwidth they pay for and we don't worry about it because as an ISP we are more concerned with keeping everything up to date and keeping service running smoothly.

It's amazing how much traffic shaping can ease congestion problems even if your link is maxed out 24/7.

5 to 10 ms difference in access times doesn't make a lot of difference to any of our customers since they want fast Internet for cheap. I know of a customer who does more than 17GB daily because they have kids that watch a ton of online content from you tube, myspace, and other free kid sites that have games, etc.

Comcast and the others aren't stupid, they are a business, and the business is about making money. I run a business, we have the same goal to make money, about the only difference is we aren't concerned about chipping away at everyone's wallet who isn't paying attention in the name of better service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436660 Mon, 05 May 2008 20:16:58 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436642 openbox9 : Sounds like you need to lease a DS-x circuit. Pick the capacity and the business account "extras" that you want...of course you need to be willing to pay for them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436642 Mon, 05 May 2008 20:12:16 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436585 RARPSL :
said by BF69 See Profile :

said by JDCMAN See Profile :

-Large scale file transfers between work and home (maybe you do CAD? Video Design?)
That sounds like you should be using a BUSINESS account.

If I am being charged for a BUSINESS account I expect to be given Business Account type features not just charged more money for the same account as a "residential" account.

This means more than just them upping/eliminating my monthly cap. I want an IPN that is separate from the residential IPN blocks (so I do not get blacklisted if I run an SMTP Server), the right to have my IPN rDNS to my Domain Name not the generic IPN based name, a Static IPN (or at least have the DNS get updated if my DHCP assigned IPN changes), etc. A SLA is NOT something that I would include as required.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436585 Mon, 05 May 2008 20:01:02 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436578 espaeth :
said by a333 See Profile :

Yes, and then, the NEXT top 1% get booted... repeat as needed until you have only people on social security using the service and getting shutdown because they can't afford the bills. Convenient, innit, for cablecos? People like you are going to be next in line, you don't seem to understand, do you?
It doesn't quite work that way. People die every day and yet the world population continues to increase. Comcast adds more new subs every year than they cut off due to abuse. Right now it works out that the top 0.1% of folks that Comcast is contacting are using more than 100 times more than the average user. When that stops being the case I'm sure they'll adjust the strategy.

said by a333 See Profile :

BTW, you know perfectly well that it's not BitTorrent they hate, it's IPTV-style streaming of competing video products. It's clearly a direct threat to their business.
IPTV isn't a significant threat to the broadcast/cable/satellite TV business. The limitations of the technology will prevent any Internet-based IPTV solution from scaling large enough to make a significant dent in TV content delivery. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436578 Mon, 05 May 2008 19:59:38 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436566 TK Junk Mail :
said by Boogeyman See Profile :

I used to use DUmeter when I had one pc, as soon as we got more than one, my DUmeter usage went from like 25-75gb mo to 100-300gb mo. Of course the jump was because we used one pc as a file server and would just stream music/video from it, but it made keeping track of actual internet usage impossible.

What they would need to do would be to offer a meter in the modem. So only traffic passing through the modem gets counted and no LAN traffic gets counted.
Use the free "NetLimiter 2 Monitor". It can distinguish between internet and intranet traffic. Just install on each PC.

Of course, a router based measurement tool(available in some wireless routers) would be better because of XBox and similar game consoles also generating traffic.

And best would be an ISP based system that was queryable from a web page.
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What they would need to do would be to offer a meter in the modem. So only traffic passing through the modem gets counted and no LAN traffic gets counted.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436517 Mon, 05 May 2008 19:47:13 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436414 espaeth :
said by pfak See Profile :

Why do you assume just because someone can use 17GB a day that they are breaking the law? I do 10GB a day worth of traffic and I'm certainly not breaking the law.
Are you suggesting that your traffic is representative of the overwhelming majority of high bandwidth users?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436414 Mon, 05 May 2008 19:25:36 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436400 Warez_Zealot :
said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

maybe until VZ starts doing the same. Everyone has claimed that it would make cable rates and Internet cheaper but we have yet to see that. a contract for internet, basically one for TV and don't forget their yearly rate hikes as well. I don't see FiOS any better than cable in terms of doing something that they do. They just wait until the cable companies can get away with it. Hell look at VZ they block work orders and try to get the gov't to allow them to cancel your previous video and internet providers. Not any better.
They only say it will make it cheaper to fool the stupid and gullible people.. You would be surprised.

Anyone with the minute business sense can see that all they are doing it shaping traffic on their network so that they can avoid upgrading and maximise every last dollar out of what they have now. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436400 Mon, 05 May 2008 19:22:33 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436328 anon : Let's see... A possible Guilt by Association fallacy... Definitely a nice straw man fallacy. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436328 Mon, 05 May 2008 19:07:54 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436313 anon :
said by wbertram See Profile :

For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better!
Wow, gotta love how people who argue for byte caps make unsubstantiated statements such as this...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436313 Mon, 05 May 2008 19:04:12 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436308 sivran :
quote:
of curse they'd have to give you tools to track your usuage. Ther are actually tools you can use right now. I like DU Meter. You can get a free 30 trial


All well and good for one computer. A not-insignificant portion of households have two or more. Sure they could put two and two together, but people are stupid, and why should they have to?

It'd just be ridiculous for a service with hard usage limits not to give you a way to track your own usage. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436308 Mon, 05 May 2008 19:03:49 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436189 a333 : -Reply to Bf69
Yes, and then, the NEXT top 1% get booted... repeat as needed until you have only people on social security using the service and getting shutdown because they can't afford the bills. Convenient, innit, for cablecos? People like you are going to be next in line, you don't seem to understand, do you?
BTW, ever streamed high-quality video by any chance? Downloaded Fedora Core 8? I bet not, but those are only a few of future uses on teh interwebs... new times, new needs. Cablecos are about to learn the hard way that treating customers like $hit just doesn't cut it. When you piss off a few geeks, the effect goes much farther than that. They in turn will badmouth the company when asked for their opinions, and trust me, many people DO turn to the geeks when it comes to THEIR internet choices.
BTW, you know perfectly well that it's not BitTorrent they hate, it's IPTV-style streaming of competing video products. It's clearly a direct threat to their business. Why should Comcast spend money to enhance the delivery pipe of a competing service? Instead, they choose to start putting caps and throttling on their service, conveniently enough blaming it on "illegal" file sharing aka BitTorrent. Amazing, and the most ironic part is that people like BF69 actually support them and stick up for 'em.
-Shakes head-]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436189 Mon, 05 May 2008 18:41:29 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436145 pfak :
said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY?
Its called stealing, and the people on this website seem to think its ok to do. They even disguise it by calling it "copyright infringement", as if that makes it any better.
Why do you assume just because someone can use 17GB a day that they are breaking the law? I do 10GB a day worth of traffic and I'm certainly not breaking the law.

[root@crash ~]# ./bw.sh -g
1524.67GB in 152 days (10.03GB per day)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436145 Mon, 05 May 2008 18:34:26 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436091 N10Cities : nm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20436091 Mon, 05 May 2008 18:24:24 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435958 BF69 :
said by JDCMAN See Profile :

Are you serious? There are plenty of legitimate uses for that sort of bandwidth:
-Downloading patches (Service Packs for Windows can be 300MB+)
-Backing up offsite (are you going to chance the loss of everything if you have a home invasion/fire)
How often is ther a service pack? You could download a SP everyday and only use 9 GB in a month.

offsite back-up? Are you going to back up your entire drive every month? or are you going to back up just the new stuff that you haven't backed up yet? You're not going to have that much stuff to back up every month.

-Large scale file transfers between work and home (maybe you do CAD? Video Design?)
That sounds like you should be using a BUSINESS account.

I don't think a cable company should give me the boot for utilizing a service I paid for,
You are paying for internet access. That's all. And if they put in their TOS you can only use 500 GB or whatever of bandwidth then there is nothing you can do about it. There isn't any law requiring them to give you unlimited bandwidth.

No one said you were going to get booted. Either you will be charged extra for overage or your speeds will be reduced.

Also, these companies advertise "download movies, music and MORE!" all of the time. Why should I get the boot for using the service as advertised?
Even HD movie downloads are only 6 GB in size. So even if you download 1 a day that's 180 GB a month. Music? Please I guess if you plan on downloading 100,000 songs every month you might have issues.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435958 Mon, 05 May 2008 17:59:23 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435890 MrSpock29 :
said by Ebolla See Profile :

said by MrSpock29 See Profile :

Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it?
A hard cap would be good in the fact that everyone will know what it is, downside is that a hard cap will be alot lower then the "invisible" soft cap that can change depending on area usage.

As for giving a way to tracking that would depend on subscriber to do that. There are speedlimits on the road, it isnt up to police to make sure you have a spedometer only to enforce the rules. Same would apply to insuring a person doesnt go over stated caps.
Yes, I do realize that a hard cap will be lower, as Comcast top brass has said this. As far as tracking, most people, including myself, don't know how to track usage, and usage varies depending on slingbox usage, youtube, a few wireless computers and other users in the house, etc. Providing a tracking tool shouldn't be that hard. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435890 Mon, 05 May 2008 17:46:48 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435882 BF69 :
said by MrSpock29 See Profile :

said by wbertram See Profile :

said by dvd536 See Profile :

For cable.
the death knell if they do that
Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better!

Bye!
What is considered abuse? Comcast doesn't know, unless they go by that 1% rule, which changes every month. So if the hidden cap is 100 gigs one month, and you use 90, you're not an abuser, but if the next month it is 80 gigs, and you still use 90, you have become an abuser?
Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it?
Um that's kind of the point of the article. They WOULD have a clear defined cap. ALL isps have caps. I can guarantee that. I doubt you could download a TB or 2 of data without your ISP bringing to your attention that you're using too much bandwidth. So why not just be open about it?

of curse they'd have to give you tools to track your usuage. Ther are actually tools you can use right now. I like DU Meter. You can get a free 30 trial

»www.download.com/DU-Meter/3000-2···10760704]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435882 Mon, 05 May 2008 17:45:39 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435617 Ebolla :
said by MrSpock29 See Profile :

Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it?
A hard cap would be good in the fact that everyone will know what it is, downside is that a hard cap will be alot lower then the "invisible" soft cap that can change depending on area usage.

As for giving a way to tracking that would depend on subscriber to do that. There are speedlimits on the road, it isnt up to police to make sure you have a spedometer only to enforce the rules. Same would apply to insuring a person doesnt go over stated caps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435617 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:51:02 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435605 dadkins :
It goes by market.
Say you are in a market where 300GB is doable and you do it, but I am in a market that only 100GB is doable... Comcast will most likely set EVERYONE to the lowest across the board.

Now YOU would be an abuser and get "The Call" or booted.
Sound tasty?

Not that either number above(100 or 300GB) would ever affect most subs(or me), I know a couple people that think 100GB per month would suck!

Do you really want to get low-balled?
What if they nail us all at... 60GB? 50GB?

:huh:
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And no they should not give you the boot for utilizing the service you paid for. They should give you the boot for abusing the system they allow you to rent from them.

I personally do not favor them booting you. I think they should use throttling tiers and slowly take you back to 256k for the remainder of the month. However, it is in their best interest and the best interest of the remainder of their user's to just terminate people like you. If they lose that 1% causing problems, it is no big deal to them profit wise.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435550 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:40:22 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435530 hottboiinnc : maybe until VZ starts doing the same. Everyone has claimed that it would make cable rates and Internet cheaper but we have yet to see that. a contract for internet, basically one for TV and don't forget their yearly rate hikes as well. I don't see FiOS any better than cable in terms of doing something that they do. They just wait until the cable companies can get away with it. Hell look at VZ they block work orders and try to get the gov't to allow them to cancel your previous video and internet providers. Not any better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435530 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:36:52 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435529 nasadude :
said by MrSpock29 See Profile :

...
Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it?
why yes, they should.

but they don't have to because there is little or no competition.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435529 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:36:42 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435527 kelso :
said by BF69 See Profile :

Also if you live in an area where cable is you're only option for broadband how is that a death knell? What are you going to do go back oto dial-up?
With logic like that, Comcast could just increase the rates, or set a cap that would pick up some bucks from unaware customers. Rinse and repeat every 6 months.

How many people even know what how much they down/up load per month ? Not many !
Yes, the essence of the situation, they currently don't need to know. But, as soon as they get hit with an overage charge, they will get pissed.

Well I guess it's better to get pissed off than pissed on.
But, What are they going to do, go back to dial-up ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435527 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:36:26 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435501 MrSpock29 :
said by wbertram See Profile :

said by dvd536 See Profile :

For cable.
the death knell if they do that
Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better!

Bye!
What is considered abuse? Comcast doesn't know, unless they go by that 1% rule, which changes every month. So if the hidden cap is 100 gigs one month, and you use 90, you're not an abuser, but if the next month it is 80 gigs, and you still use 90, you have become an abuser?
Shouldn't they disclose terms clearly? And give subscribers a way of tracking it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435501 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:32:29 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435489 TK Junk Mail :
said by wbertram See Profile :

said by dvd536 See Profile :

For cable.
the death knell if they do that
Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better!

Bye!
Yes, caps are coming and only the worst abusers will get hit, as they should.
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-Downloading patches (Service Packs for Windows can be 300MB+)
-Backing up offsite (are you going to chance the loss of everything if you have a home invasion/fire)
-Large scale file transfers between work and home (maybe you do CAD? Video Design?)

I don't think a cable company should give me the boot for utilizing a service I paid for, or assume that what I'm using my connection for is illegal without clear proof (assuming I violated copyright law, if I downloaded something and the holder complaint letter with verifiable, timestamped information of specific infringement).

Also, these companies advertise "download movies, music and MORE!" all of the time. Why should I get the boot for using the service as advertised?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435487 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:30:35 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435464 woody7 : Bit torrent.....? ;) ;) ;)

I think that most people just want to know what the "limit" is, but the cable co's don't want a well defined limit.But as stated earlier, there are some that abuse. Now they will say that if there isn't a cap listed, then how can they abuse...?(If you put a cap in, and that is more than most use/need then they will stay just below) Agreed... this is never going to satisfy anyone....
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BlooMe]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435464 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:27:32 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435463 vpoko : I download what I download and I have no problem sleeping at night.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435463 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:27:20 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435444 wifi4milez :
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Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY?
Sorry, I completely forgot that everyone is downloading linux distros, not pirating music and video. What was I thinking?? I hope none of the pirates, errrr, linux junkies are offended.
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said by BF69 See Profile :

Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY?
Its called stealing, and the people on this website seem to think its ok to do. They even disguise it by calling it "copyright infringement", as if that makes it any better.
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said by wbertram See Profile :

said by dvd536 See Profile :

For cable.
the death knell if they do that
Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better!

Bye!
Yep so what if the top 1% of users get booted? That leaves vastly more bandwidth for the rest of us. 500 GB is nearly 17 GB a DAY. WTF is anyone doing that they use that much bandwidth EVERYDAY?

Also if you live in an area where cable is you're only option for broadband how is that a death knell? What are you going to do go back oto dial-up?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435382 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:14:19 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435334 wbertram :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

For cable.
the death knell if they do that
Perhaps for the few percent of those that abuse the service. For the vast majority of users, no problem! Their service gets better!

Bye!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435334 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:05:10 EDT Re: FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435320 Lineage : Indeed, especially in FiOS territory.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435320 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:02:54 EDT FAP http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435292 dvd536 : For cable.
the death knell if they do that]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20435292 Mon, 05 May 2008 15:58:09 EDT