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| XP SP3 and IE6, IE7 & IE8 (Beta) - Important Information
From notes by MS-MVP and AumHa VSOP Robear Dyer. This is important information for planning on what to do about IE when installing Service Pack 3 for XP.
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Internet Explorer 6 Users
XPSP3 will continue to ship with IE6 and contains a roll-up of the latest security updates for IE6. If you are still running Internet Explorer 6, then XPSP3 will be offered to you via Windows Update as a high priority update. You can safely install XPSP3 and will have an updated version of IE6 with all your personal preferences, such as home pages and favorites, still intact.
If you are currently running IE7 or IE8 on Windows XP SP2 (XPSP2) and you are thinking of upgrading to XPSP3, read on.
Internet Explorer 7 Users
If you are currently running IE7 on XPSP2, Windows Update will offer you XPSP3 as a high priority update. If you choose to install XPSP3, Internet Explorer 7 will remain on your system after the install is complete. Your preferences will be retained. However, you will no longer be able to uninstall IE7. If you go to Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs, the Remove option will be grayed out.
This behavior is by design and here is why. When we install IE7 on Windows XP SP2, we backup the existing IE6 files in an uninstall directory. Those IE6 files are the ones that shipped on XPSP2 plus all the security updates you’ve installed while using IE6. Windows XP SP3 contains a newer version of the Internet Explorer 6 files. If you have XPSP3 on your system and uninstall IE7, your system would revert to the backed up (older) version of the IE6 files rather than the newer XPSP3 version. You would end up in a mixed file state in Windows where most files would be the upgraded XPSP3, except for the IE6 files restored when uninstalling IE7. This state is not supported and is very bug prone. To ensure a reliable user experience, we prevent this broken state by disabling the ability to uninstall Internet Explorer 7.
If you must uninstall IE7 after you have upgraded to XPSP3, then you have to first uninstall XPSP3, and then uninstall IE7. After this series of uninstalls, you will be reverted back to a XPSP2, and a stable version of IE6, so feel free to upgrade to XPSP3 again.
If you install IE7 after you install XPSP3, then you will be able to uninstall IE7 at any point and be reverted to the newer IE6 version that ships in XPSP3. The restriction on uninstalling only applies to when you install a Windows Service Pack release on top of a standalone IE release.
Keeping this in mind, you might want to uninstall IE7, upgrade to XPSP3 and then install IE7 again so you can uninstall IE7 in the future if need be.
Internet Explorer 8 Beta 1 Users
Installing IE8 Beta1 on Windows XP SP3 is fully supported, so go ahead and upgrade your computers to XPSP3 and then install IE8 Beta 1 to try out our new features. You will be able to uninstall IE8 Beta 1 at any point to revert back to either IE7 or IE6 depending on what you were using before.
However, if you already have IE8 Beta 1 installed on XPSP2, Windows XP SP3 will not be offered to you via Windows Update. This is because after you update your system to XPSP3, you will no longer be able to uninstall IE8 Beta 1 and the Remove option will be grayed out under the Add/Remove programs in Control Panel. The reason is the same as in IE7 case described above. Since people are more likely to uninstall beta software, we strongly recommend uninstalling IE8 Beta 1 prior to upgrading to Windows XP SP3 to eliminate any deployment issues and install IE8 Beta 1 after XPSP3 is on your machine.
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Source: »blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/0···sp3.aspx
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sfromsf
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clubs: |  Re: XP SP3 and IE6, IE7 and IE8 (Beta) - Important Information
Good info. Thanks |
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ltsnow
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Valdosta, GA | reply to bcastner
Thanks for the info. I just install XP3 and then installed IE7. |
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jmorlan
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Interesting information.
But under SP2 if you are running IE7 and need to do a Windows Recovery, you will no longer be able to connect to the Internet unless you first uninstall IE7.
Will users running SP3 and the uninstallable version of IE7 be able to use the Windows Recovery Console without giving up Internet access?
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| Recovery Console and an in-place upgrade form of reinstallation repair are apples and oranges. I know you know this, but I want to be clear about the differences, and why and when these two procedures are used.
I think I know what you are asking, and please correct me if I do not have it right.
Right now, if you have IE7 installed, and do an in-place upgrade with XP SP2 slipstreamed, you have a problem. Because SP2 knew nothing about IE7 it overwrites in part the installed IE7 components leaving a mess. So in the past you used Recovery Console and the BATCH command to uninstall IE7 from the spuninstal folder prior to the in-place repair reinstallation (only if the machine was unbootable and you could not use Add or Remove Programs to achieve the same end).
The answer is now potentially even more complicated unless you do the "right thing" prior to installing Service Pack 3: Uninstall IE7. Do the SP3 installation. Reinstall IE7. This case then acts identical to the situation with Service Pack 2. You use Recovery Console if need be, Add or Remove if possible, and uninstall IE7 prior to the in-place upgrade with a slipstream of XP and SP3.
Now the complicated case. You did not uninstall IE7 prior to installing SP3. This is a scenario you deal with by avoiding it completely.. I have some ideas about how to avoid this case being one of a clean install, but I am still researching if it is possible. I promise to post notes in the near future to handle this case if it can be done.
But in the strongest possible terms I recommend uninstalling either IE7 or IE8 Beta prior to installing SP3.
Or, if you did not do this already, uninstall SP3. Then uninstall IE7/IE8. Then reinstall SP3. Finally, reinstall your newer IE version.
This puts you back with the cability to use Add or Remove programs or Recovery Console to uninstall IE7/IE8 before doing an in-place upgrade reinstallation with a slipstream of XP and SP3.
At the moment, that is the only supported scenario that I know of for doing a successful in-place upgrade reinstallation using an XP and Service Pack 3 slipstream, just as it was the case for SP2.
I promise a later note soonest about this entire issue. The above is my best understanding of the issues involved, and the consequences of whatever choices you make now in installing SP3 with either IE7 or IE8 in place. Again, this is not a statement of official fact; just my best understanding of what has been issued by Microsoft concerning the issue. To my knowledge, there has not been a formal statement on an in-place upgrade form of reinstallation with an XP+SP3 slipstream.
Best wishes,
Bill Castner
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Barbara Ann
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Thanks loads bcastner. I am 'old school' or maybe 'stupid' but I am sticking with IE6. |
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kcazzie
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Thank you... |
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Alwill
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Re: XP SP3 and IE6, IE7 & IE8 (Beta) - Important Information
By uninstalling IE7 and reverting back to IE6, is the information stored in Favourites and Google Bookmarks lost and, if so, is there a way to migrate the data?.
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jmorlan
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Re: XP SP3 and IE6, IE7 and IE8 (Beta) - Important Information
What happens when you are running IE7 and attempt a Windows Repair Install without first reverting to IE6?
Likewise what happens when you run SFC /SCANNOW?
Would these routines also replace some of the IE7 files with older IE6 ones creating a mess?
Thank you very much for the helpful information.
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Cudni
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| The way I understood it, if you running IE7 (and applied sp3) an attempt repair will work fine because IE7 can't be removed and therefore pre SP3 IE6 file can't be restored
This only affects people who wish to replace, for whatever reason, IE6 with IE7
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Davebo_
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Re: XP SP3 and IE6, IE7 & IE8 (Beta) - Important Information
Thanks for the heads up. I'll be uninstalling IE7 before installing SP3, looks like. It leaves me with more 'wiggle room' down the road. I can always reinstall IE7 (or 8.0 by then) later..... |
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Re: XP SP3 and IE6, IE7 and IE8 (Beta) - Important Information
SFC /Scannow is accomodated without issue. It was not a problem for SP2 with IE7 installed either. Remember that in the main the files that get replaced come from the DLLCache, or $Mig$, and not the CD, even though it will likely prompt for it.
XP "hordes" backups of its critical system files. |
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bcastner
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Cudni,
That is not clear at all that your case will prove true. If so I will write it up.
But it was decidedly not the case for XP SP2. You ended up with a non-working mix of IE versions because the reversion was not done prior to the in-place upgrade. In the XP SP2 case the reversion to IE6 files were perfectly accessible, just not used. It is exactly that scenario that I discuss above:
»support.microsoft.com/kb/917964/
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Cudni
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| said by bcastner  :Cudni, That is not clear at all that your case will prove true. If so I will write it up. the theory of course is one, while practice a lot of time, is another thing. Thank you for testing it for sure.
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pitroad01
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Re: XP SP3 and IE6, IE7 & IE8 (Beta) - Important Information
If I uninstall IE7 how do I get to Microsoft Update ? |
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C DM
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| said by pitroad01 :If I uninstall IE7 how do I get to Microsoft Update ? Via IE 6? |
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pitroad01
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Re: XP SP3 and IE6, IE7 & IE8 (Beta) - Important Information
said by C DM :said by pitroad01 :If I uninstall IE7 how do I get to Microsoft Update ? Via IE 6? Do I need to reinstall IE6 if I uninstall IE7 ? |
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bcastner
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IE6 is reverted in full automatically. |
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