jmorlan
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Re: XP SP3 and IE6, IE7 and IE8 (Beta) - Important Information
Interesting information.
But under SP2 if you are running IE7 and need to do a Windows Recovery, you will no longer be able to connect to the Internet unless you first uninstall IE7.
Will users running SP3 and the uninstallable version of IE7 be able to use the Windows Recovery Console without giving up Internet access?
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3 edits | Recovery Console and an in-place upgrade form of reinstallation repair are apples and oranges. I know you know this, but I want to be clear about the differences, and why and when these two procedures are used.
I think I know what you are asking, and please correct me if I do not have it right.
Right now, if you have IE7 installed, and do an in-place upgrade with XP SP2 slipstreamed, you have a problem. Because SP2 knew nothing about IE7 it overwrites in part the installed IE7 components leaving a mess. So in the past you used Recovery Console and the BATCH command to uninstall IE7 from the spuninstal folder prior to the in-place repair reinstallation (only if the machine was unbootable and you could not use Add or Remove Programs to achieve the same end).
The answer is now potentially even more complicated unless you do the "right thing" prior to installing Service Pack 3: Uninstall IE7. Do the SP3 installation. Reinstall IE7. This case then acts identical to the situation with Service Pack 2. You use Recovery Console if need be, Add or Remove if possible, and uninstall IE7 prior to the in-place upgrade with a slipstream of XP and SP3.
Now the complicated case. You did not uninstall IE7 prior to installing SP3. This is a scenario you deal with by avoiding it completely.. I have some ideas about how to avoid this case being one of a clean install, but I am still researching if it is possible. I promise to post notes in the near future to handle this case if it can be done.
But in the strongest possible terms I recommend uninstalling either IE7 or IE8 Beta prior to installing SP3.
Or, if you did not do this already, uninstall SP3. Then uninstall IE7/IE8. Then reinstall SP3. Finally, reinstall your newer IE version.
This puts you back with the cability to use Add or Remove programs or Recovery Console to uninstall IE7/IE8 before doing an in-place upgrade reinstallation with a slipstream of XP and SP3.
At the moment, that is the only supported scenario that I know of for doing a successful in-place upgrade reinstallation using an XP and Service Pack 3 slipstream, just as it was the case for SP2.
I promise a later note soonest about this entire issue. The above is my best understanding of the issues involved, and the consequences of whatever choices you make now in installing SP3 with either IE7 or IE8 in place. Again, this is not a statement of official fact; just my best understanding of what has been issued by Microsoft concerning the issue. To my knowledge, there has not been a formal statement on an in-place upgrade form of reinstallation with an XP+SP3 slipstream.
Best wishes,
Bill Castner
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jmorlan
Hmm... That's funny.
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What happens when you are running IE7 and attempt a Windows Repair Install without first reverting to IE6?
Likewise what happens when you run SFC /SCANNOW?
Would these routines also replace some of the IE7 files with older IE6 ones creating a mess?
Thank you very much for the helpful information.
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Cudni
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| The way I understood it, if you running IE7 (and applied sp3) an attempt repair will work fine because IE7 can't be removed and therefore pre SP3 IE6 file can't be restored
This only affects people who wish to replace, for whatever reason, IE6 with IE7
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SFC /Scannow is accomodated without issue. It was not a problem for SP2 with IE7 installed either. Remember that in the main the files that get replaced come from the DLLCache, or $Mig$, and not the CD, even though it will likely prompt for it.
XP "hordes" backups of its critical system files. |
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Cudni,
That is not clear at all that your case will prove true. If so I will write it up.
But it was decidedly not the case for XP SP2. You ended up with a non-working mix of IE versions because the reversion was not done prior to the in-place upgrade. In the XP SP2 case the reversion to IE6 files were perfectly accessible, just not used. It is exactly that scenario that I discuss above:
»support.microsoft.com/kb/917964/
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Cudni
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| said by bcastner  :Cudni, That is not clear at all that your case will prove true. If so I will write it up. the theory of course is one, while practice a lot of time, is another thing. Thank you for testing it for sure.
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Bill, there are a number of Security Updates and Hotfixes for IE7 in the Add/Remove program. Do they need to be removed one by one in reverse order of installation before removing IE7 itself? |
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bcastner
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You do not have to remove any, in fact.
If when all is said and done, you see extranous elements, let me know.
If you intend to reinstall IE7, it would be to your disadvantage to uninstall the Hotfixes listed. Let XP and the Windows Installer service determine what is best to do.
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