CultofSkaro
join:2008-05-06
Wallingford, CT
| Best Talent build for a rogue Hello everyone, I'm not neccessarily new at wow, I just tend to dabble with every class for a bit before settling down. I decided to build a rogue to 70 before wotlk comes out and was wonndering what is the best build for leveling. I am leaning towards an assassination/subelty build. I like both 41 point talent skills but the main tree of assassination is more useful imho. A penny for your thoughts? I hate doing this on the wow forums b/c after eading them you won't want to play the class Everyone complains.
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moosetube
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| Re: Best Talent build for a rogue I would go combat swords to level. Attacks are non positional which makes grinding much easier. Here is a build I like up to the 41 point talent: »www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla···00000000
Blade Flurry and Adrenaline Rush are your two best friends when griding and getting an extra mob or two. | |
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CultofSkaro
join:2008-05-06
Wallingford, CT | hmm, i'll check that out at home, damn websense won't let me here. thanks though. | |
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drew
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| Re: Best Talent build for a rogue here's a screenshot of his recommendation. | |
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johnny_t
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Palo Alto, CA | Re: Best Talent build for a rogue I'm leveling Subtelty atm, it's quite easy, I'm not too interested in the other specs as I do have a fury warrior, didn't want them to be too similar  | |
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drew
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clubs: | Re: Best Talent build for a rogue I was having a lot of fun playing my rogue at 61-62 as subtlety, but the damage was just so subpar. Plus, positioning on mobs is a PITA when you're the only one engaging them. | |
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johnny_t
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Palo Alto, CA | Re: Best Talent build for a rogue Yeah that's what it's all about fun, I enjoy the huge openers & the ''control'' I have over mobs. Positioning is bait & tackle, with distract/ imp stealth, it shouldn't be a problem. | |
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drew
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clubs: | Re: Best Talent build for a rogue opening position is cake.
Are you sub swords or sub daggers?
I was daggers and it sucked since I would have use/abuse gouge to get my way with them. | |
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johnny_t
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Palo Alto, CA | Re: Best Talent build for a rogue I use daggers & bombs. | |
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johnny_t
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| said by drew  :? I was daggers and it sucked since I would have use/abuse gouge to get my way with them. Hehe, that's the fun part. | |
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drew
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clubs: | Re: Best Talent build for a rogue oh lord no. I hate gouging mobs. it's a whole lot of time to spend doing nothing. | |
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johnny_t
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Palo Alto, CA | Re: Best Talent build for a rogue For my toon that extra time is invaluable as it equates to more energy, more combo points, more burst dmg, more control.
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LuisRodg
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join:2002-07-28
Miami
| I second Combat Swords.
I have a 63 rogue on alliance pve that I leveled using swords and right now im leveling an undead rogue on a pvp server and going combat swords.
First of all, combat sword is the best for leveling because it doesnt require positioning as someone mentioned. In instances it also provides the best DPS. The other trees are for pvp.
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For my toon that extra time is invaluable as it equates to more energy, more combo points, more burst dmg, more control.
That time could be better spent doing white dmg meanwhile getting energy etc. Do you know rogue's white dmg is the highest output of them all?
My point is you can go any build you want, its a game and you do whatever you want. However, if you ask for best DPS etc, it is KNOWN you have to go Combat Swords.
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join:2008-02-07
1 edit | Re: Best Talent build for a rogue said by Mike :Windfury. What about it?
Anyway, I was (partially) messing. Combat swords has the best sustained DPS but on fights where it's impossible to keep a steady rotation mutilate really shines. On Archimonde fights I'm usually 15% clear of the nearest combat rogue.
That said with a druid in my group I can certainly keep up on any fight. Brutallus will be the ultimate test. | |
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4 edits | Re: Best Talent build for a rogue You're losing me, I can't see how Windfury is any different for Swords compared to daggers. It used to be different pre-nerf when it could proc from specials.
WWS it is then, the other rogues aside from me are Combat Swords except Morth who is Combat Fist. This is from the last raid I did with wws running.
Naj'entus »wowwebstats.com/zzpnjtw4sesh1?s=3164-3542
Shade of Akama »wowwebstats.com/zzpnjtw4sesh1?s=8462-8506
Anetheron »wowwebstats.com/zzpnjtw4sesh1?s=11875-12199
The other reports on that night have early rogue deaths.
I can go on, Kaz'rogal
»wowwebstats.com/wil43gadpbngu?s=12844-13106
Another Anetheron
»wowwebstats.com/wil43gadpbngu?s=10837-11129
You get the idea, only a fool would write mutilate off in it's current form. Please note I never said it was better, I said it competes. Clearly combat sword isn't "the" dps spec at all.
So, to summarise Mr OP, play whatever you find is most fun. The difference between specs is nowhere near as large as people like to make out, I should know, I've played all of them.
The one thing swords has going for it other others is Warglaives, once again itemisation forces a certain spec, WD blizz. | |
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SSX4life
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| Re: Best Talent build for a rogue I saw mute spec push 2K dps on a fight such as Brutallus.
Again not to break a broken record (and I'm getting off topic here)... but there are a few issues with mute spec.
#1. Poison immune mobs (not a big deal now but it needs to be mentioned)
#2. Positioning is huge when it comes to fights, I can't even think about trying to stay on the tail of something on a fight such as Kael or Supremus etc.
#3. Sword spec > Mute Spec > Dagger spec The extra 5% chance for an extra attack only stacks better with windfury in your party. Not to mention that an extra attack with mute spec won't hit as hardor for as much as sword spec when you look at top end and bottom end dmg.
Again nothing inherently "wrong" with mute spec and it can do a very nice ammount of damage in PVE, but you gotta think that blizz considers sword spec to be the crown jewel when you take into consideration the fact that Warglaves are for rogues and warriors. There are not ledgendary daggers at level 70 nor will there be.
Just my .02 cents
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join:2008-02-07
3 edits | Re: Best Talent build for a rogue #1. Yup. As you say though it's minor, the only poison immune mob I encounter atm is the robots in trash.
#2. Positioning can be an issue, but not really on those encounters. The worst fight for positioning? Magtheridon! The quakes put you in front of the boss way too often. Aside from that, I can't think of any particularly nasty encounters, you want to be behind the boss all the time anyway for obvious reasons.
#3. The issue with windfury, is unless you're always stacking groups you won't always have it, if you have a hunter or druid in your group then it's wasted on them so you go GoA. GoA also produces more DPS at Karazhan-ish gear levels, but WF scales a lot better with gear and overtakes fairly soon after.
And, when you get stuck with GoA, Mutilate benefits more due to the crit profile increase.
As for "Not to mention that an extra attack with mute spec won't hit as hard."... No it won't, but daggers swing faster and thus get more WF procs. The whole point of nerfing WF to not proc from instants was to balance swords and daggers.
Anyway, I agree, Combat Swords IS indeed the jewel as you say, but it really isn't the only one in that crown, and unless the OP intends to be fighting Brutallus within a month I think he can choose whatever he finds most enjoyable, rather than being herded into Combat Swords. | |
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join:2005-01-18
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| Re: Best Talent build for a rogue i levelled combat fists(AR/Prep) since 58, and i really like fists > swords, while leveling, as your crit rate is still pretty low at that gear/level.
i respecced shadowstep when i hit 66, and went from 130-140k xp an hour to 90-100k an hour, combat is definately the way to go for leveling, choice of weapon up to you. | |
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CultofSkaro
join:2008-05-06
Wallingford, CT
| I was thiking mutiliate myslef. I kinda like the shadowstep apporach but as they say on the wow forums, you hit like you're swinging pillows. While leveling I figure the faster I kill it the better.
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join:2008-02-07 | Re: Best Talent build for a rogue I've levelled 2 rogues, both as daggers. Personal preference, I never found swords to be any faster and it resulted in more downtime bandaging/eating.
As mutilate you'll generally kill things of the same level without getting hit. | |
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drew
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| Re: Best Talent build for a rogue I've felt that the bandaging cost was worth it for the ability to drop mobs just that much faster. With the amount of gold/cloth thrown around these days...
Oh, and if you're alliance, get these for your combat swords build: »www.wowhead.com/?item=25825 | |
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ERogerC
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Brooklyn, NY | then go Combat Swords. If you just want to go through Mobs as quickly as possible then thats the way to go. when you get to 70 respec to whatever you like Mutilate, Shadowstep try a few Off specs for the fun of it | |
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Shatter
join:2006-07-24
Waterford, MI
| As combat swords you get blade flurry and AR which allows you to kill 4 mobs in about 15 seconds with evasion up the whole time. You cant do that with Mutilate. You also get the +hit and expertise which means you miss less. Combat swords is the fastest way to level especially if you plan to do alot of your leveling via kills. BF has like a 2 minute cooldown as well which allows you to takeout an additional couple of mobs of 2 minutes. That experience adds up over levels. | |
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CultofSkaro
join:2008-05-06
Wallingford, CT
| so don't waste time putting points into improved poison and all that stuff while leveling? If combat is as good as you say then that's probably the way to go. I am on a pvp server and plan on doing bgs alot, is combat okay for pvp or no?
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drew
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clubs: | Re: Best Talent build for a rogue combat kind of sucks for PVP.
But if you're just doing it as you level and aren't going to be in brackets very long, go with combat. | |
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SSX4life
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| Re: Best Talent build for a rogue said by Mike :Combat is good if you have the gear since you can just OP someone. If you want mini-shield wall, a cheat death spec would work. Speaking of over powering someone I love my white swing crits of almost 2k on someone in world pvp or a dual Now granted it takes gear and I don't live as long as someone with talents in other trees but when I hit you you damn well feel it. | |
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CultofSkaro
join:2008-05-06
Wallingford, CT
| i think for leveling I'll do a combo assassinate mix and re spec at 70 for either mutilate or shadow step. I'll try both and see which fits me better.
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