Comcast Scraps P2P 'Bill Of Rights' Idea > I am with the Consumer Advocates

I am with the Consumer Advocates

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reply to wifi4milez
HAHA, gotta love NYC. The point is still valid, that toll booth operator is a law enforcement officer and should arrest you. Comcast is not a law enforcement agency.

reply to espaeth
I realize that. Believe it or not your POTS line is the same way. Your ILEC will server a community of 1500 people with say 672 availible lines. They are counting on not everyone using the phone at the same time. However, if those trunk lines are at 75% load for a long period of time they will add more to accomodate the traffic load.

"We're sorry, all circuits are busy now. Please hang up and try your call again later."
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Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power…

reply to openbox9
Throttling legal content would be a clear violation of Net Neutrality. The real reason they are throttling is what you have suggested but Comcast claims "illegal traffic" knowing they have a stronger case and users effected won't come forward with complaints. Avoiding those complaints is also the reason they are throttling upstream and not downstream, I'm sure Joe Smoe isn't complaining that he can't give other people files fast enough.

reply to N3OGH
Yes, exactly. But the point is the backbone of the network is upgraded to support the increased traffic load. Have you ever had a Telco tell you that they are going to start blocking calls to pagers to reduce traffic because more than half of the population that still own pagers are drug dealers?

reply to FLengineer
you are right they are not a law enforcement agency but they do have the right to stop people from using their network for illegal content. it would be like me renting your home to sell drugs out of it. i am sure if you found out you would want to kick me out. should i throw a fit because you are not a law enforcement agency and you dont have the right? i think not. you own the home so you have the right.

You would win a lawsuit against me if my reason was "I THINK he is dealing drugs". If I went in your rental and snooped around to prove it, that would be illegal as well unless I had a legal reason to go looking in your home.

reply to FLengineer

competing or not competing is a moot point. The LAW simply states....

(3)(A) to block, to impair, to discriminate against, or to interfere with the ability of any person to use a broadband network service to access, to use, to send, to receive, or to offer lawful content, applications or services over the Internet; or
(B) to impose an additional charge to avoid any conduct that is prohibited by this subsection;

Which puts us back to "Block the illegal content but don't touch the legal content". Good luck with that because it's next to impossible.

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reply to FLengineer
Legal reason to look in your home, are you subletting and violating occupancy rules since there is too much foot traffic to the apt?

Even if the initial look was illegal, the person who saw it illegally can tell the cops they saw it, then cops get a warrant and search the place legally (and launch an investigation into you and wiretap you), and then you goto jail. Only if you get rid of the drugs between the 1st (illegal) look and legal investigation/search warrants will you get away with it.

Even without a search warrant, cops can still search anything with probable cause since its an emergency and the opportunity will be lost if they have to get a warrant, even over your protests (you can't stop a cop from searching you, only protest it, only useful in a civil rights lawsuit later).

reply to N3OGH
Yeah, when was the last time you heard that when calling another residential number in the USA (meaning you didn't reach the PBX of some business)?

reply to FLengineer
To upgrade a trunk line is a 15 minute line card swap. Effortless. The bigger question is, what if at a neighborhood distribution panel, there aren't enough pairs on the trunk line going back to the CO from the panel and too many people have 2-3 lines?

reply to openbox9
Yep, if ISPs cared about illegal content, then there would be no such thing as a spam relay or a botnet node.

reply to FLengineer
Is there a formula for that?

I've been trying to find a concise way to express this concept. Something like -- the system is customarily sold beyond capacity, owing to the experience that customers do not the service simultaneously.

I want to say something like:

The system should be managed in a way that allows a person to access the subscribed speed, with only rare and brief exceptions.

... and then point to examples of a familiar formula or process that explains this concept -- overselling is okay and normal, expectations are okay to make and set as long as they're in good faith and maintained.
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HTTP is the new Bandwidth Hog...

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