Topic 'Cable companies need to wake up' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20440525 en Sat, 18 May 2013 04:03:13 EDT Sat, 18 May 2013 04:03:13 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20476463 said by espaeth:

The costs are in the last mile, always have been.
This held true even for POTS services. Recall how the price of long distance dropped like a stone after the AT&T divestiture while the price of local service has done nothing but increase. AT&T was using long distance revenue to subsidize the last mile and couldn't keep doing that once other players entered the long distance market.

How quickly we forget.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20476463 Tue, 13 May 2008 16:08:41 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20458694 said by Linklist:

said by Jeffrey:

In the end though, you'd lose customer. But businesses rarely think that far ahead.
Some customers are not worth having. They bring in less revenue than it costs to service them.
Oh, that's completely true. I just think if you piss off enough of them, and there is an alternative, another company can take advantage of that situation. Comcast doesn't exactly have glowing reviews over the last year or so, either.

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In the end though, you'd lose customer. But businesses rarely think that far ahead.
Some customers are not worth having. They bring in less revenue than it costs to service them.
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said by Jeffrey:

Someone else made this point at some other spot in this thread....if 99+% of the customers are below the 250GB cap - by a large margin - then why the need for this to begin with?
Because of shareholder pressure to make more money on the high consumption users?
Possible. In the end though, you'd lose customer. But businesses rarely think that far ahead.
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Someone else made this point at some other spot in this thread....if 99+% of the customers are below the 250GB cap - by a large margin - then why the need for this to begin with?
Because of shareholder pressure to make more money on the high consumption users?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20457377 Fri, 09 May 2008 14:10:01 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20454867
It's been a breath-taking week -- and it's not over. The Network Neutrality news is snowballing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20454867 Fri, 09 May 2008 01:00:45 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20454167 said by funchords:

I don't get it. We (Internet subscribers) pay pretty big bills -- a good fraction of any double-play. Are we getting our share of the plant in return?Not all services are created equal, even if they use the same amount of capacity on the plant. Video is largely identical downstream replication, and it's a gift that keeps on giving in terms of subscriber revenue *AND* advertising insert revenue. The engineering is less complex, there are no DoS attacks/worms/DMCA complaints/SPAM floods/etc in the video world. The capacity is fixed 24x7, making the infrastructure easy to plan for, and people are accustomed to paying premium rates for content.

Even though video services occupy the overwhelming majority of a cable system, what do you figure the ratio is for service calls on video vs data? My guess would be 1:10 for video:data.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20454167 Thu, 08 May 2008 22:05:11 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20453879 said by espaeth:

The reason FiOS is being deployed by Verizon is that they needed a plant overhaul to be able to get into the video services distribution business. HSI gains are, again, only a side benefit.I don't get it. We (Internet subscribers) pay pretty big bills -- a good fraction of any double-play. Are we getting our share of the plant in return?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20453879 Thu, 08 May 2008 21:06:59 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20445685 said by Skippy25:

Then I guess you would need to pay the extra cost to back it up or find a better and more affordable solution.

I personally would recommend a good backup tape, raid 5 drives, or a mirrored drive setup.
Yeah, I hear ya. I don't use online backups at the moment, with no immediate plans to do so. I have a sufficient local backup setup, similar to what you're suggesting that works fine for me. I just know some less than PC literate people I know prefer to use online backups, in lieu of locally managed storage. For them, as Comcast users, they would have a problem.
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Bottom line is, as been pointed out numerous times already, they do not use the term Unlimited and haven't for quite some time.

You want unlimited bandwidth to download all the crap you want, then pony up the cash and get it or stop the whining.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20445644 Wed, 07 May 2008 12:56:56 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20445146 said by BosstonesOwn:

Apr 21st to 28th 2008 30.78 GB 10.62 GB 41.40 GB

One week watching hulu and updating Windows and ubuntu.41.4 GB per week X 4.3 weeks a month=178 GB a month. That still leaves you 72 GB left. No worries.

As soon as this becomes official , Im gone , just on principal.
And good riddence to you then.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20445146 Wed, 07 May 2008 11:29:21 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20444982 said by hottboiinnc:

The day Martin says that is the day Comcast sues him directly and not the FCC as a whole. He can't make them provide an actual speed due to they use "up to" and actually Cox has caps; nobody tried to tell them they had to provide the full speed they claim "up to".
That's my point. They claim lots of stuff. But so far, they don't seem to be in much a hurry to shut this guy down for "picking" on them. Isn't it known that Martin has a "thing" for CC (or cable in general?). With CC talking about (and in some cases enforcing) caps, is it me or are we paying the same price for "unlimited" HSI use but now, paying the same price, are about to see that become "unlimited access but limited use". Geezz sounds like Verizon just bought them out.

PatCat88.. good one :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20444982 Wed, 07 May 2008 11:03:48 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20444734 said by factchecker :

I read your post and you stated:

You didn't say an entire city... Your "entire area", more likely than not, does not include enough subscribers to be meaningful statistically...
My mistake. I should have said it was the city I live in to be more specific. Thats included over 50,000 accounts. I can't remember the exact number. I think that sampling is more than meaningful.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20444734 Wed, 07 May 2008 10:19:33 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20444466
One week watching hulu and updating Windows and ubuntu.

They can't stop the bandwidth monster. They need to start coming up with a new method. docsis 3 can only do so much for them.

As soon as this becomes official , Im gone , just on principal.

Sell me a pipe don't try and be a controller. Once these HD video services kick off , we really need just pipes. This sounds like comcast is trying to figure out what the future holds. And throttling torrents was the better of the 2 evils. Now they are trying to find fair numbers , but I am voting with my wallet.
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But the basement dwellers that go over 250GB/mo are a good chunk of the population of this forum, hence the hew and cry.
Quad HD VR 3D live chat Pr0n FTW.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443954 Wed, 07 May 2008 04:18:22 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443951 said by S_engineer:

said by Skippy25:

As it should cost you more. If you are using that much bandwidth on a regular basis then you need to be paying for it. Plain and simple and now they are spelling out for you.
Maybe they should have spelled it out before. I don't know where you learned the English language from but where I grew up "unlimited" meant without limitations. An invisible cap on an "Unlimited" network constitutes breach of contract.
Comcast doesn't use the word unlimited anywhere, what makes you think it is?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443951 Wed, 07 May 2008 04:17:23 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443948 said by OldGrayWolf:

I've monitored my bandwidth usage. I fits in the 250GB per month bandwidth. :D

However, I can also look at my router logs. The router logs have entries for constant port scans and messenger SPAM from malware infected computers on THEIR network. This is NOT included in the bandwidth measurement I have taken because they just bounce off my router. :o

If they don't exclude these unsolicited attempts to connect to my computer/network, it will distort the statistics of my bandwidth usage. :(

This idea is not going to work very well. :mad:
Comcast will just NAT and therefore firewall everyone and no more incoming traffic, of any kind. If you want an IP you will have to get business class.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443948 Wed, 07 May 2008 04:16:21 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443945 said by SilverSurfer1:

said by tc1uscg:

".. Naw.. just day dreaming. Martin doesn't have the balls. ;)
Balls don't have shit to do with it what you are proposing. Someone didn't write the telco errand boy a check to ensure it. Big difference between money and balls.
A gay republican conspiracy?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443945 Wed, 07 May 2008 04:13:50 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443938 said by JamesPC:

Great point NOCMan. There should be no limitations on a unlimited service. And if they cant offer unlimited SOMEONE WILL!
Since when is broadband run by a socialist or communist state?

Concept of capitalism guarantees there will not be true unlimited service.

Cisco and Lucent don't make unlimited speed equipment.............]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443938 Wed, 07 May 2008 04:10:38 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443935 said by espaeth:

said by EPS:

The question is, why would a DSL provider cap when they don't have to?
Running circuits to remote terminals isn't free.
Replacing 2 line cards on 1 strand of fiber is almost free.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443935 Wed, 07 May 2008 04:08:27 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443934 said by EPS:

If the telcos spin this the right way, then they could manage to scare a bunch of users who would never ever hit their caps anyway to think they could get booted for downloading.
They have spined it before. The FUD about overloaded nodes during peak times. I was a DSL customer for a long time because I was scared of dialup speeds because of bad cable cos, turns out its mostly FUD and extremely rare. Even if you cut 1/2 the speed of typical cable modem, it will still be faster than DSL.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443934 Wed, 07 May 2008 04:07:34 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443876 said by Quaoar:

Docsis 3.0 is only viable for Comcast in DIRECT competition with FIOS or similar. Saying this more times doesn't make it any more true.

The big gains on DOCSIS 3.0 deployments are in enabling switch digital video, allowing greater channel density without further degrading quality from compression. That you can get additional HSI bandwidth is just a nice cherry on the package.

The reason FiOS is being deployed by Verizon is that they needed a plant overhaul to be able to get into the video services distribution business. HSI gains are, again, only a side benefit.

PS: Minneapolis is a Qwest/Embarq market, and we have DOCSIS 3.0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443876 Wed, 07 May 2008 03:20:53 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443756 said by espaeth:

said by Jeffrey:

I really dislike when people say what should be enough for someone else.
They had to quit using the phrase "One Size Fits All" because of statements like this.

A former coworker of mine now works for Charter Communications here in MN -- for grins I asked him about the node data they collect from the CMTS head-end. He showed me a sample report and I was surprised that I had to skip through a few pages before I found the first line that showed > 2GB of usage.

Statistically speaking, 250GB would easily fit 99+% of the existing user base usage.
But the basement dwellers that go over 250GB/mo are a good chunk of the population of this forum, hence the hew and cry.
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As it should cost you more. If you are using that much bandwidth on a regular basis then you need to be paying for it. Plain and simple and now they are spelling out for you.
Maybe they should have spelled it out before. I don't know where you learned the English language from but where I grew up "unlimited" meant without limitations. An invisible cap on an "Unlimited" network constitutes breach of contract. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443712 Wed, 07 May 2008 02:10:18 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443642 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443642 Wed, 07 May 2008 01:48:43 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443625 said by Combat Chuck:

said by factchecker :

Chuck, you've got it backwards... Take it from someone who has worked/still works with enterprises that purchase transit bandwidth... Transit is the cheap bandwidth.
That's not what everyone was saying a couple years ago when the "invisible cap" originally hit. Well, most of "everyone" back then, like now too, probably have no idea of how transit bandwidth is purchased and priced.

Yes, transit WAS more expensive back when the "invisi-cap" sprang up, but that was partly because interfaces and hardware just for those transit circuits was more expensive (think about how much a router that could handle a dozen or two GigE or OC48 or OC192 interfaces cost back then compared to now). There also wasn't as much capacity on the backbone and access portions of the major carriers' networks that ISPs connect to as there is now (thanks to DWDM, etc.).

But if it was being said that transit costs were part of the reason for the "invisi-caps"... That would be true...

As for now, with most ISPs connecting to transit providers (or being their own transit providers) at, in most places, 1 and 10 Gbps, there definitely is not issue with transit. The problem is that the last mile is much harder to upgrade than a router card swap or installing a new router.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443625 Wed, 07 May 2008 01:44:05 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443591 said by Nightfall:

said by factchecker :

said by Nightfall:

Yea, cause we all know that measurables like that in a discussion like this are meaningless. /sarcasm
No, the sample size is what makes it meaningless. You can't use a sample from one node to represent the whole user population of a network. Nodes vary not only in size, but also in the types of users that are passed - some neighborhoods may have more light users than others.
Helps if you read my post. It was city wide, not by a node or neighborhood.
I read your post and you stated:

He pulled up the data usage of all the homes in our area and we counted a grand total of 50 people over 100gb.
You didn't say an entire city... Your "entire area", more likely than not, does not include enough subscribers to be meaningful statistically...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443591 Wed, 07 May 2008 01:32:28 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443522
I would recommend it too! The charge extra, call up and cancel. Trust me, if enough people do it, this idea will get axed quick....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443522 Wed, 07 May 2008 01:15:26 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443468
I personally would recommend a good backup tape, raid 5 drives, or a mirrored drive setup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443468 Wed, 07 May 2008 00:58:23 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443458 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443458 Wed, 07 May 2008 00:54:03 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443307
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Q]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20443277 Wed, 07 May 2008 00:01:14 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20442940
However, I can also look at my router logs. The router logs have entries for constant port scans and messenger SPAM from malware infected computers on THEIR network. This is NOT included in the bandwidth measurement I have taken because they just bounce off my router. :o

If they don't exclude these unsolicited attempts to connect to my computer/network, it will distort the statistics of my bandwidth usage. :(

This idea is not going to work very well. :mad:

I think that companies that have TV content provided through other channels (such as Comcast/TimeWarner/et.al.) are trying to limit the adoption of Internet TV and other video Internet sources that are already available in Europe in order to maintain their revenue. :mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20442940 Tue, 06 May 2008 22:47:18 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20442853 said by factchecker :

said by Nightfall:

Yea, cause we all know that measurables like that in a discussion like this are meaningless. /sarcasm
No, the sample size is what makes it meaningless. You can't use a sample from one node to represent the whole user population of a network. Nodes vary not only in size, but also in the types of users that are passed - some neighborhoods may have more light users than others.
Helps if you read my post. It was city wide, not by a node or neighborhood.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20442853 Tue, 06 May 2008 22:28:01 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20442537
How Comcraptic!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20442537 Tue, 06 May 2008 21:24:13 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20442262 said by factchecker :

Chuck, you've got it backwards... Take it from someone who has worked/still works with enterprises that purchase transit bandwidth... Transit is the cheap bandwidth.That's not what everyone was saying a couple years ago when the "invisible cap" originally hit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20442262 Tue, 06 May 2008 20:22:42 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20442069 said by SilverSurfer1:

said by Linklist:

And that 250GB should be plenty. The biggest month I ever had was about 12 GB up & down combined and that was watching a few TV shows online I missed on TV and downloading one of those infamous linux distros.
Well that settles it once and for all then. You, personally, have not used over 250 gigs so that stat, of course, applies to everyone else. :uhh:
Nope, just 99.9% of Comcast's users.
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if 99+% of the customers are below the 250GB cap - by a large margin - then why the need for this to begin with?I think the key issue was that the abuse department was making calls and telling people to consume less, but was unable to quote a figure.

Now there's a figure for them to relay.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441953 Tue, 06 May 2008 19:24:26 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441946 said by Nightfall:

Yea, cause we all know that measurables like that in a discussion like this are meaningless. /sarcasm No, the sample size is what makes it meaningless. You can't use a sample from one node to represent the whole user population of a network. Nodes vary not only in size, but also in the types of users that are passed - some neighborhoods may have more light users than others.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441946 Tue, 06 May 2008 19:22:39 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441933 said by Combat Chuck:

Because capping has nothing to do with the line between the customer and the ISP; but the line between the ISP and other ISP's, which is an issue for every ISP regardless of how they deliver service to the customer.
Chuck, you've got it backwards... Take it from someone who has worked/still works with enterprises that purchase transit bandwidth... Transit is the cheap bandwidth. Bandwidth for regional, long haul backbone and local access networks (last mile) are where the costs are for providers because they have to run fibre/coppper, install nodes/RTs, etc.

There is no transit and backbone level bandwidth shortage, it is entirely in the last mile.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441933 Tue, 06 May 2008 19:20:14 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441891 said by Matt3:

I fixed it for you.Do you have stats to counter extrapolating that to represent broadband services as a whole?

The logic doesn't seem far off: assume an extremely conservative 125 users per downstream channel.

38mbps downstream DOCSIS channel * 1byte/8bits * 60sec/min * 60min/hr * 24hr/day * 30day/mon = 12312GB of total possible capacity on the downstream channel per month.

12318GB / 125 users = ~98.5GB per user on an equal division.

If it were common for many people to be downloading extremely large amounts of data then CMTS channels would always be congested and nobody would ever be able to hit these 250+GB monthly transfer numbers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441891 Tue, 06 May 2008 19:11:34 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441684 said by Combat Chuck:

Because capping has nothing to do with the line between the customer and the ISP; but the line between the ISP and other ISP's, which is an issue for every ISP regardless of how they deliver service to the customer.I don't know if I agree with that. Carrier bandwidth is the cheapest bandwidth you can buy; it's generally a small number of massive circuits with large commits so Internet bandwidth itself is dirt cheap. The DS1/DS3/OC3 circuits to feed the remote terminals, on the other hand, require buildout of the telco ATM cloud which is definitely not cheap bandwidth.

The costs are in the last mile, always have been.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441684 Tue, 06 May 2008 18:33:52 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441669 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441669 Tue, 06 May 2008 18:30:49 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441615 said by NOCMan:

I agree. Music downloads, web surfing, online radio, video games, Movie rentals from Itunes range from 600M to over 6G.

Backing up all my digital media online would put me over a terabit. So you're telling me it would take me several months to download all of it. That limit would severely limit innovation on the internet.
Shit, I forgot about 3rd party online backup. Yep, that would set me over the 1TB limit as well.
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said by Jeffrey:

I really dislike when people say what should be enough for someone else.
Statistically speaking, 250GB would easily fit 99+% of the existing user base usage.
Someone else made this point at some other spot in this thread....if 99+% of the customers are below the 250GB cap - by a large margin - then why the need for this to begin with?
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I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. You know, that or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441605 Tue, 06 May 2008 18:20:02 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441567 said by tc1uscg:

".. Naw.. just day dreaming. Martin doesn't have the balls. ;)
Balls don't have shit to do with it what you are proposing. Someone didn't write the telco errand boy a check to ensure it. Big difference between money and balls. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441567 Tue, 06 May 2008 18:11:15 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441549 said by Linklist:

And that 250GB should be plenty. The biggest month I ever had was about 12 GB up & down combined and that was watching a few TV shows online I missed on TV and downloading one of those infamous linux distros.
Well that settles it once and for all then. You, personally, have not used over 250 gigs so that stat, of course, applies to everyone else. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441549 Tue, 06 May 2008 18:07:33 EDT Re: Cable companies need to wake up http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441540 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cable-companies-need-to-wake-up-20441540 Tue, 06 May 2008 18:05:36 EDT