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<title>Re: Best splitter...does it really matter? in Verizon FIOS TV</title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:54:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1315000"><b>KA3SGM</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GeekGirl1 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1434694"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  KA3SGM <A HREF="/useremail/u/1315000"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>    :</small><br><br>GeekGirl1, Yes +18 dbmv is the Tellabs 612 Video Output Spec, but why am I afraid that you also tested it yourself to confirm that it was true??:p</div>Have you ever known an engineer with equipment in-hand to not do otherwise? Of course I did (with the Verizon techs during the original install). Be very afraid. :p The saga continues: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20487152-10-way-splitter~start=20#end">10 way splitter</A><br> </div>I have been meaning to pick up one of those cheap 'Sunrise 750' CATV Meter/Analyzers that pop up on ebay from time to time.<br><br>Only problem is that I know they have a 99% probability of being stolen property, so I tend to back away from what otherwise looks like a really good deal.<br><small>--<br>"Lithium is no longer available on credit"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 17:13:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1434694"><b>GeekGirl1</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  KA3SGM <A HREF="/useremail/u/1315000"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>GeekGirl1, Yes +18 dbmv is the Tellabs 612 Video Output Spec, but why am I afraid that you also tested it yourself to confirm that it was true??:p</div>Have you ever known an engineer with equipment in-hand to not do otherwise? Of course I did (with the Verizon techs during the original install). Be very afraid. :p The saga continues: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20487152-10-way-splitter~start=20#end">10 way splitter</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 11:07:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : those hot levels must be nice. <br><br>onts in oregon get +13 on a good day. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 13:12:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522086"><b>lets456</b></A> : Thanks for the replies. I had to have a tech come out to replace a panel on my ONT....the phone portion died. Anyway I asked him about the splitter and he said what most of you mentioned....about losing a certain amount of -Db every 25' or so then about how much you lose (-3Db) per split. However, he mentioned that when they install the bigger concern is having a signal that's too hot and need to attenuate down....so splitting many times is not a problem.<br><br>He said he did a house with 26 "splits" and was the only time he had to use and amplifier.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 06:01:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1315000"><b>KA3SGM</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GeekGirl1 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1434694"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>+18 dBmV<br> </div>GeekGirl1, Yes +18 dbmv is the Tellabs 612 Video Output Spec, but why am I afraid that you also tested it yourself to confirm that it was true??  :p<br><small>--<br>"Lithium is no longer available on credit"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 18:19:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/367776"><b>Rattler</b></A> : Merci, GG1 !!!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 17:41:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1434694"><b>GeekGirl1</b></A> : +18 dBmV]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 16:06:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/367776"><b>Rattler</b></A> : @ KA3SGM...<br><br>I have an Alcatel (my CO, Kirklyn, is GPON).<br><br>I don't know what the output level of the ONT is and have been kicking myself for not asking the install tech what it was... :huh:<br><small>--<br>Never raise your hands to your kids.  It leaves your groin unprotected. -- Red Buttons</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:48:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1315000"><b>KA3SGM</b></A> : Rattler, whatever works.....<br><br>Do you have a Tellabs, or an Alcatel ONT??<br><br>I know the Tellabs ones run the Video pretty hot, between +18 db / +20 db, but not sure about the newer Alcatel ones.<br><br>I know I can run a single 16-Way splitter without problems off of a Tellabs 612, which is -16.5 db per port, but currently have the Router, ONT, 3 HD-DVR's and 2 SD boxes on a single 8-Way, with 1 port terminated and another jumping to a separate 6-way that feeds Analog(but not for long), QAM tuners, and 3 DCT700 Digital Adapters.<br><small>--<br>"Lithium is no longer available on credit"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:31:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1434694"><b>GeekGirl1</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  proletarian <A HREF="/useremail/u/1429195"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>geekgirl, <br>you're confusing the cable company return path. they use freq's under 55 or so for their return. and the stb's don't talk back to the ont, they communicate back to the router via moca (over 1GHz).  from their the return is sent on the data upstream path either by ethernet or coax. the fios return path is via moca which is above 1GHz</div>You are correct. My bad :o. I got confused. On a minor point, I would keep my coax splitters "backwards compatible" with cable... just in case.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:08:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/367776"><b>Rattler</b></A> : @ KA3SGM:<br><br>I was just listing the approximate numbers that could possibly be expected for a decent unit - 2 dB loss per leg is just not possible on a passive splitter.<br><br>The 6-way splitter V* used on my install is a PDI and the insertion loss (11.5 dB) was marked on each output - I didn't see any test freq. listed.<br><br>I bought the R/S splitter (#15-2587) because I needed one ASAP and it was expensive for a 2-way (~$11).  They had two types on the rack, one was rated at 5-100 MHz and this one was spec'd at 5 - 1100 MHz.  Neither had any insertion loss numbers.<br><br>I used it to split the coax to my HD-DVR and the freebie DCT-700, at the wall plate.  Both are working fine.  The SNR on the HD-DVR @ 633 MHz is 36.5 dB/GOOD and no errors, with the splitter in the line.  So with the 11.5 dB at the 6-way tap and maybe another 4-5 dB at the R/S 2-way, I still have a good signal at the HD-DVR.<br><small>--<br>Never raise your hands to your kids.  It leaves your groin unprotected. -- Red Buttons</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 14:11:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1315000"><b>KA3SGM</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rattler <A HREF="/useremail/u/367776"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Monjul :</small><br><br>I would still look for the best splitter I could find. A standard splitter loses about 3db per tap so look for one that is only 2db down per tap which is what Verizon used in my setup.<br> </div>Not sure where that idea might come from but even if the splitter were perfect, you'd lose 3 dB per each 2x split - it's just the way things work.  In practicality, the loss is more like 3.5 dB for each split for a high quality, <u>passive</u> splitter.<br><br>Split 2x = 3.5 dB, each leg<br>Split 3x = 1x3.5 dB, 2x7 dB (usually)<br>Split 4x = 7-8 dB, each leg<br>Split 8x = 14-16 dB, each leg<br><br>There can be other splitter configurations that would yield slightly different numbers like 5-6 dB per leg on a 3-way or ~11-12 dB per leg on a 6-way.<br><br>The 6-way splitter they used on my install is marked 11.5 dB per leg.<br> </div>Rattler, put those numbers on a slope tuning loss, as the loss per port can vary 3-5db depending whether you are at 54MHz or 1000MHz.<br><br>Decent CATV splitters can be obtained by the names of PDI(Passive Devices Inc), Antronix, PCT, Toner,...<br><br>Monster is overpriced JUNK, and RatShack scares the heck out of me because you really don't know what you are buying.<br><br>Many splitters look better than others based on the frequency that the manufacturer is testing them at.<br><br>Then figure another (+/-1) DB for manufacturing inconsistencies.<br><br>They stamp out more than 5k splitters per hour in China, so you know nothing is precise, so to speak... :uhh:<br><small>--<br>"Lithium is no longer available on credit"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:10:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/367776"><b>Rattler</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Monjul :</small><br><br>I would still look for the best splitter I could find. A standard splitter loses about 3db per tap so look for one that is only 2db down per tap which is what Verizon used in my setup.<br> </div>Not sure where that idea might come from but even if the splitter were perfect, you'd lose 3 dB per each 2x split - it's just the way things work.  In practicality, the loss is more like 3.5 dB for each split for a high quality, <u>passive</u> splitter.<br><br>Split 2x = 3.5 dB, each leg<br>Split 3x = 1x3.5 dB, 2x7 dB (usually)<br>Split 4x = 7-8 dB, each leg<br>Split 8x = 14-16 dB, each leg<br><br>There can be other splitter configurations that would yield slightly different numbers like 5-6 dB per leg on a 3-way or ~11-12 dB per leg on a 6-way.<br><br>The 6-way splitter they used on my install is marked 11.5 dB per leg.<br><small>--<br>Never raise your hands to your kids.  It leaves your groin unprotected. -- Red Buttons</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:40:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I would still look for the best splitter I could find. A standard splitter loses about 3db per tap so look for one that is only 2db down per tap which is what Verizon used in my setup.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 13:45:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1429195"><b>proletarian</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GeekGirl1 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1434694"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Don't forget about the low-end frequency. You need to go down to 5 MHz. Some only go down to 40 MHz- not good enough and you'll have problems with the STB talking back to the ONT, like for VOD, guide, or widget info. The DCT700 doesn't use those features and doesn't care, the HD STB does.<br><br> </div>geekgirl, <br>you're confusing the cable company return path. they use freq's under 55 or so for their return. <br><br>and the stb's don't talk back to the ont, they communicate back to the router via moca (over 1GHz).  from their the return is sent on the data upstream path either by ethernet or coax. <br><br>the fios return path is via moca which is above 1GHz]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 23:35:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1434694"><b>GeekGirl1</b></A> : Don't forget about the low-end frequency. You need to go down to 5 MHz. Some only go down to 40 MHz- not good enough and you'll have problems with the STB talking back to the ONT, like for VOD, guide, or widget info. The DCT700 doesn't use those features and doesn't care, the HD STB does.<br><br>When Verizon did the installlation, they should have checked the levels at each TV. If they didn't, or you changed something after the install, then you might have a problem not using the "official" Verizon splitter (5 MHz to 1000 MHz).]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:56:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1429195"><b>proletarian</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rattler <A HREF="/useremail/u/367776"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Any splitter used should be rated for frequencies above 1 GHz otherwise you may have problems.<br><br> </div>although a splitter rated about 1GHz would not hurt - it absolutely will not cause problems. <br><br>a standard 5-900MHz splitter will be fine.  that is all that verizon uses. <br><br>your video broadcast is under 900MHZ. the moca network which does run about 1GHz is designed to power through these splitters. <br><br>of course, if you're going to board this thing up (and please don't), then you may want to "future proof" yourself (or satellite proof?) those outlets with a higher rated splitter. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 01:28:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/473441"><b>mglunt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JrzyDave <A HREF="/useremail/u/1525314"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Your kind of asking for trouble if your going to finish off that ceiling and no longer have access to that splitter.  You might want to think about installing an access panel there or re-run your coax wires while the walls or ceilings are open and homerun them to somewhere else that is accessible.  I've been to homes where they have paneled over where their phone lines terminate or coax cables and the customer is stuck with opening the ceilings to isolate a problem. <br> </div>I agree.  You need to have access to the splitter in case you ever need it.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 13:11:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1525314"><b>JrzyDave</b></A> : Your kind of asking for trouble if your going to finish off that ceiling and no longer have access to that splitter.  You might want to think about installing an access panel there or re-run your coax wires while the walls or ceilings are open and homerun them to somewhere else that is accessible.  I've been to homes where they have paneled over where their phone lines terminate or coax cables and the customer is stuck with opening the ceilings to isolate a problem. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:52:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/367776"><b>Rattler</b></A> : Any splitter used should be rated for frequencies above 1 GHz otherwise you may have problems.<br><br>I just added a 2-way splitter I got from R/S rated at 1.1 GHz and am running a DCT-700 and an HD-DVR off of it.  This is on one coax run, down-stream from the V* provided 6-way splitter that's at the ONT.<br><br>I've tuned most of the channels I normally view on the HD-DVR and recorded a couple of HD programs since adding it with no problems.<br><br>I did notice some audio drop-outs and video noise on a VOD (Pirates/Caribe-3) I watched last night but have not checked to see if yanking the splitter would solve that problem - it's hard to get to it.<br><small>--<br>Never raise your hands to your kids.  It leaves your groin unprotected. -- Red Buttons</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 15:53:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522086"><b>lets456</b></A> : We are having our basement redone. Verizon has the main feed then a three way splitter.Off of the Verizon installed 3-way splitter, One line for the BR and FR TV that splits in the attic and goes to respective tv's. A line to the router and one line in the basement which I purchased a Phillips digital splitter for 2 tv's. Will this be ok?<br>Once I put the ceiling up, accessing the main splitter will be difficult (main in to three way split). I assume this phillips splitter should be ok....it's the type bought at Wal Mart. Right now I have the DCT-700 running off it just fine, but I will put the HD box there.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:43:09 EDT</pubDate>
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