Re: Incomplete List in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20444784 en Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:17:24 EDT Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:17:24 EDT Re: Incomplete List http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455362 pnh102 :
said by Matt See Profile :

That's the great thing about on-going tests, the conclusions and results can be updated as time goes on.
Sounds a lot like the argument for Intelligent Design. :D
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And Yes I do live in an unfinished house, doubt it will ever be finished.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454741 Fri, 09 May 2008 00:18:09 EDT Re: Incomplete List http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451155 jc100 : Hey by all means add to the list. As I said above pnh, it is reflective of the data set at a given moment. The fact we make the list at all is disturbing if you ask me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451155 Thu, 08 May 2008 11:52:01 EDT Re: Incomplete List http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450675 pnh102 :
said by battleop See Profile :

So how do the account for a tester that may be sitting behind a company firewall? Does it account for that? What if I am sitting in a hotel that blocks this traffic? Does that mean that the ISP is falsely accused of shaping this traffic?
I haven't personally run the test as all their connections are in use when I try it but you make an interesting point. What if isn't your ISP that is blocking the traffic but your ISP's provider instead? Does the test differentiate between which service provider is doing the blocking?
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said by user851 :

Do you run your mouth without having any clue of what you speak of?
Yawn. You never answered my questions, so being clueless, I will simply assume you do eat raw food, drive in an unfinished car, and live in an unfinished house.
said by user851 :

Seriously :uhh:, they made no such claims.
I never said the site made such claims.
said by user851 :

The writer of this article did.
I see you've read my other posts.
said by user851 :

All they did was provide their current data. They did not say it was a representative sample of reality or anything. They did not say they had come to any conclusion.
I never said they did.
said by user851 :

So before you speak, I ask once again that you FREAKING REVIEW THE SOURCE.
Or what? You're going to tell on me? It isn't my fault that an objective analysis wasn't done here.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by user85 :

They are still gathering data.
Do you eat your food before it is done cooking?

Do you drive your car before it is done being manufactured?

Do you live in an unfinished house?

Do a full and complete analysis, then come to a conclusion.
Do you run your mouth without having any clue of what you speak of?

Seriously :uhh:, they made no such claims. The writer of this article did. All they did was provide their current data. They did not say it was a representative sample of reality or anything. They did not say they had come to any conclusion.

So before you speak, I ask once again that you FREAKING REVIEW THE SOURCE.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450630 Thu, 08 May 2008 10:06:18 EDT Re: Incomplete List http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446706 pnh102 :
said by KrK See Profile :

Which in this case is "Big Business = Good"...
That's GREED IS GOOD. Get it right!
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said by rgillis70 See Profile :

Edit: So the US is 4th now...
Damnit... we can't NOT be #1... when I get home (I have Comcast) I will do a few tests so we return to the front of the line where we belong!
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Ireland 1 out of 7 = 14%
Canada 1 out of 99 = 1 %
Malaysia 1 out of 2 = 50%
Singapore 1 out of 6 = 16%
US - 10 out of 199 = 5%

Edit: So the US is 4th now...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446508 Wed, 07 May 2008 15:23:29 EDT Re: Incomplete List http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446243 jc100 : At best it shows that at least for the limited amount of testing, SINGAPORE and the USA are WORSE offenders. However, being the scale of ISPS tested are limited (pending more exist obviously), only cannot make this assertion on a whole. Merely, one can just look at the data and say in terms of what has been collected, the US and SINGAPORE are fairing much worse at this given moment. That may or may not change, obviously. Time is he deciding factor. Still, it's sad to even note we make the list. We champion the cause of Democracy while doing everything we can to back paddle from it in the last 10 years in both private and governmental sectors.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446243 Wed, 07 May 2008 14:38:39 EDT Re: Incomplete List http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446014 pnh102 :
said by user85 :

They are still gathering data.
Do you eat your food before it is done cooking?

Do you drive your car before it is done being manufactured?

Do you live in an unfinished house?

Do a full and complete analysis, then come to a conclusion.
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said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Whatever you'd like to believe, I guess.
Always a pain when the facts get in the way of one's agenda.... Makes it so much harder to justify or modify or distort to fit the ideology. Which in this case is "Big Business = Good"...
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said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Whatever you'd like to believe, I guess.
At best, this website provides tools for testing. But without actual research being done in many of these countries, it is not possible to reach a credible conclusion.

It would be like saying "Wyoming has more crime than California" when all your evidence is just the crime stats for Wyoming and nothing else for California.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

China is listed as having 8 nodes tested from 6 ISPs with no blocks reported.

Obviously this is a new project looking for additional data samples.
Then it would be incorrect to conclude that the USA and Singapore are the worst offenders.
I think at this point it's perfectly fair to conclude that SO FAR, it appears the USA and Singapore are the worst offenders.

That's the great thing about on-going tests, the conclusions and results can be updated as time goes on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20445064 Wed, 07 May 2008 11:16:02 EDT Re: Incomplete List http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20445058 Karl Bode : Whatever you'd like to believe, I guess.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20445058 Wed, 07 May 2008 11:15:17 EDT Re: Incomplete List http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20445025 pnh102 :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

China is listed as having 8 nodes tested from 6 ISPs with no blocks reported.

Obviously this is a new project looking for additional data samples.
Then it would be incorrect to conclude that the USA and Singapore are the worst offenders.
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Obviously this is a new project looking for additional data samples.
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said by AZ_OGM See Profile :

And North Korea, Iran, Cuba, etc.
If you had gone to the link you would have seen how dumb of a question it is. They are still gathering data. If you had looked at all before asking you would have realized that. It is still a new tool which not a vast majority of users are aware of. The sample from which this information was taken was a very small one specially from other countries. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20444785 Wed, 07 May 2008 10:28:24 EDT Re: Incomplete List http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20444784 pnh102 :
said by AZ_OGM See Profile :

And North Korea, Iran, Cuba, etc.
Point.

Until this "Glasnost Project," which, humorously or not, is named after a scheme under which a former Soviet leader tried to perpetuate totalitarian rule in the USSR, actually provides a complete list of countries and ISPs which block Bittorrent, I think it is premature to conclude anything from it.
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