Myhipsi
@rogers.com
| [ Extreme] Rogers Throttling encrypted traffic (HTTPS)
I started to notice a couple weeks back that my newsgroup downloads slowed down to a crawl (around 100 KB/s). That was using multiple secure connections through their web interface (HTTPS on port 80). I contacted my news provider and they told me it wasn't on their end, then I contacted rogers and they didn't get back to me. Anyway, long story short, I find out today that Rogers are throttling encrypted traffic (»it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0···1755230), apparently because a lot of file sharing programs are using secure connections to thwart their own throttling. I'm wondering is this going to be a perminant policy or will they lift the throttling once the Gig limits come into effect. Personally, I'll be quite happy with 95 GB per month if it means no more throttling. Anybody else notice this slow down and if this is going to be a perminant or temporary? Any info would be great. |
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anon543534
@rogers.com | Why not download from newsgroups without ssl? Works fine that way. |
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topgun8091
Premium
join:2008-03-23
Whitby, ON
| reply to Myhipsi
If your looking for Rogers to stop choking all traffic that they cant read, you better look elsewhere. I have switched ISP's because I do a lot of VPN work from home with different companies, and cant any longer. Rogers says that if my traffic needs to be encrypted then too bad. What IT guy in the world would allow un-encrypted traffic under a VPN in and out! Rogers / Bell and any other ISP doing this "traffic shaping" for the better good of all are only concerned about one thing, limiting access to a "Free" system if they can watch and copy "pluck" any data from the stream they like. |
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Dillerd
@rogers.com
| And it looks as it's going to get much worse. A copywrite
bill is coming forth. The Tories of course are responsible for this. Look for it to happen within the next five weeks or so. Look for Rogers to choke and block any significant
conent after this bill is (hopefully not) passed.
Got the info courtesy of Michael Geist's blog.
If this bill is passed, we likely won't be able to
download anything off the internet.We'll have to
watch our backs for sure. Why is Canada looking like
it's starting to adopt communism? 
Here's the link:
»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2877/125/ |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Communism? This is the dirty side of capitalism ... the world exists to make the rich richer and governments are simply agencies of the rich. |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
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May 9th, @12:04PM
| said by sbrook  :Communism? This is the dirty side of capitalism ... the world exists to make the rich richer and governments are simply agencies of the rich. wow 
2008 is shaping up to be the perfect storm for the internet in Canada.
1 - Copyright Bill
2 - Throttling/DPI/DPC/TOS enforcements
3 - CRTC ruling favoring Bell/Rogers
If number 3 comes true then the Internet as you have known it will be a thing of the past.
I'm also getting the feeling that all of this is not merely coincidence. If the CRTC rules in favor of Bell then that will be the tipping point. |
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elwoodblues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON | reply to Myhipsi
The CRTC probably won't rule in favour of the ISP's but they'll appeal to Cabinet, that will |
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Dillerd
@rogers.com
| IMO, this would be a major step back in the evolution
of the internet. Don't kid yourself, all the ISP's
know what people use hi-speed for. For reading e-mails
and watching TSN's page load faster? No.
I hope our big ISP's don't mind majorly lowering their
internet prices, should they totally block our access
to other forms of downloadable content.Not all people are
bandwidth hogs. Some people take a little.Some people
take a lot. All that needed to be enforced was the cap,
which they implemented.
This would be like going back to the dial up days.And, if
all these thing to stop net neutrality happens, I'd expect to be paying dial-up
prices for whatever I can do with dial-up service.
There would be no point in even subscribing to HS. |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
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May 10th, @02:51PM
| said by Dillerd :
Don't kid yourself, all the ISP's know what people use hi-speed for. Yea but they are simply a telecom carrier, the private and personal packets that I create are none of their business.
Just because I send an MP3 player by UPS doesn't mean that UPS owns the player nor that they have the right to see what MP3's are on the player.
All UPS needs to know is that the product being transported meets the transportation requirements, they don't own the product in transport nor do they have the right to breach my privacy and "inspect" and judge the information on the player.
All the Telecom Carrier needs to do is sell an Internet connection with a specific speed of Mbps and with how much Bandwidth per month. If they have issues with that then if should be clearly specified and labeled accordingly. |
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gurn
@rogers.com
| reply to Myhipsi
cool UPS ships illegal product now? all the drug dealers and thieves will be so happy. Your analogy is a little bit weak.
The image of bitorrent is that it is used to transfer illegaly copied software, that image is slowly changing but even so on cable the most damaging thing to network quality is torrenting its the way it works not whats transmitted. cable companies are sniffing not for mp3's to inspect but torrent traffic itself. Having said that, it sucks but at least its for a purpose. They aren't looking at the content no matter how many different ways you guys want to say it.
If it were to get out that rogers was watching you paying bills online or monitoring the videos you watch on utube people would leave rogers in droves. So rogers, to protect itself, protects you and your privacy.
If rogers was to turn in its customers that break copyright laws, other customers would panic. So rogers actually doesn't want to look at what your doing. They aren't the police, make sense? |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
moderated:
May 11th, @10:34AM
| reply to Myhipsi
said by gurn :
cool UPS ships illegal product now? Your analogy is a little bit weak.
I said as long as the product being transported meets the transportation requirements.
said by gurn :
cable companies are sniffing not for mp3's to inspect but torrent traffic itself. You totally miss the point, the mere fact that the carrier is illegally intercepting my personal and private packets and inspecting it to see what's inside is a breach of my privacy. Whether it contains P2P or HTTPS or NNTP is beside the point. All the carrier needs to know is to carry my internet packets with no interference end of story.
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I'd rather have 5Mbps on my feet than 10Mbps on my knees |
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Tekky
@rogers.com
| said by Stewy :the mere fact that the carrier is illegally intercepting my personal and private packets and inspecting it to see what's inside is a breach of my privacy. I think you're totally missing the point. As a service provider they have the right to view anything that traverses their network. You dont own their network. They are a private organization providing a service - a service you agreed to using by accepting the EULA and AUP.
Do you also feel its an invasion of your privacy that your employer has security cameras mounted at your place of employement? I mean they're watching everything you do when on their property...  |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Guelph, ON
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May 11th, @09:18PM
| reply to Myhipsi
Unfortunately this is where it gets murky and here in Canada we really need some regulation with regards to this.
Technically speaking both Stewy and Tekky are correct and that is why we need regulations in place to protect the consumer. Everything we do on the internet travels across the Rogers/Bell network.
Now the fact they want to intercept the packets and inspect the content causes problems because everything travels across their network. They can in theory and probably practicality to some extent monitor your personal emails, your daily banking, your web browsing, online purchases, etc.
EDIT: This is same as the mail system where you mail your letters to friends and pay your bills through the mail. The Postal Service can't look at your mail and the packets that travel across a network are similar to the mail you send.
Unfortunately it states in the AUP that that they can monitor their networks and this is why we really need to have the government step in to help protect the consumer.
Quote from the AUP:
Violation of Acceptable Use Policy
Neither Rogers nor Yahoo! has an obligation to monitor any content or your use of our networks for violations of this
AUP or otherwise; however, we may monitor or investigate content or your use of our networks, including bandwidth
consumption. |
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