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Re: Stop the FISA "back-room" deal
Hey Pete,
Re this gem..
»Re: FISA 'modernization" bill - head's up!
Here is one to put you seriously in touch with the real world.
US: Ex-Guantanamo prisoner carried out Iraq suicide attack
»doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008···in-iraq/
And finally, we talked about FISA. That's the ability for our intelligence folks and folks on the front line of protecting America to have the tools necessary to stop al Qaeda from attacking us. And the fact that the Democrat leadership refuses to let this vote come to the floor is bad for our national security. This vote will pass -- this bill would pass. It has passed the Senate; will pass the House, thanks to the leadership of the members up here, as well as discerning Democrats. And yet the leadership refuses to let it come up. And the country is at greater risk as a result of not having a modernized FISA bill.
»www.standardnewswire.com/news/905862685.html
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| said by Name Game  :That's the ability for our intelligence folks and folks on the front line of protecting America to have the tools necessary to stop al Qaeda from attacking us. It appears we have all the (anti-freedom, anti-privacy, anti-constitutional) tools we already need. Al Queda hasn't attacked us in seven years.
The fact of the matter, is that the US Government is free to collect all the surveillance it wants (and much more than it needs) on foreign terrorists already. It also has a pretty damn good arsenal of tools to spy on American citizens, as well.
I would have to think that anyone that doesn't realize what really is at stake here is:
- uneducated on the topic
- naive
- hoodwinked
Spy1 - whom you suggested 'needs to get in touch with the real world' - know a hell of a lot more about what is currently legal, what is currently illegal, and the real goals of this bill. The real goal of this bill is to cover up the unconstitutional, illegal, and impeachable offenses committed against our freedom by the Bush Administration.
Compare what the Administration is saying about the need and reasons for this bill; and you will see it is based on blatant lies and disinformation. Blindly believing the administration's spin - as you are - is foolish and dangerous. Unfortunately, most of Congress is focused on re-election, if they ever put enough focus into these bills at all. Lets not forget that we don't need the US Government operating like Stalin's secret police or the East German Stasi. Our god-given rights - including the right to privacy - are what separate us from terrorists and dictators. Lets keep it that way. I suggest that you spend a few minutes of your time reading this article, and then seriously think about what you are advocating:
»The Eternal Value of Privacy |
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| Everytime the ACLU breaks wind one of these 'call your do nothing Congressman' threads comes up..they always have a twist to them.
Then some pointy finger guy like you starts throwing around gems of their wisdoms like
"Name Game, with regards to this subject you are either:
- uneducated
- naive
- hoodwinked"
And then blames all their problems on the Administration and crawls out of the corner with " Stalin's secret police or the East German Stasi"
You don't insult me..  far from it..you verbally attack because it makes you feel what your write has more meaning.
But it still stinks as you grovel in your brand of Patriotism.
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Yeah, if I was locked up for years for no reason, I'd LOVE the U.S. so much.
Don't you idiots realize you're MAKING terrorists by screwing around over there. |
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| said by james1 :Yeah, if I was locked up for years for no reason, I'd LOVE the U.S. so much. Don't you idiots realize you're MAKING terrorists by screwing around over there. You mean locked up for over four years with no hope of release. Hmm, isn't this what we get on other countries for? You can't take the moral high ground when you're down in the mud.
Like woody7 , I'm ex-military, different era. You don't realize how much your freedom is worth until you lose it. The problem is most American's have never been turned into a piece of government property. (Getting a sun burn in the military can be punished as damage to government property, for those that didn't know)
The unfortunate problem facing our next president, as Bush has already given up, is getting our troop out of the middle east.
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said by james1 :Yeah, if I was locked up for years for no reason, I'd LOVE the U.S. so much. Don't you idiots realize you're MAKING terrorists by screwing around over there. Where have you been since 66'
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Canada
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| Regaardless of anyone's views on this issue, I don't think that wikipedia link has anything to do with the topic.
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| said by fatness :Regaardless of anyone's views on this issue, I don't think that wikipedia link has anything to do with the topic. Nor did I think the comment it was in response to..this 'making of terroist' crap..but I considered the source. This is the guy we are talking about..
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdallah_S···_Al_Ajmi
nobody made him..he was picked up over there..and now went back and killed..if you read his real history then you can figure out how he ended up as an enemy combatant in the first place .
So if there is a point to be made by anyone who accuses one country that has been attacked by terroists..to be actually making them..and they are idiots..make sure your finger is not sticking up your own nose.
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| said by Name Game :said by fatness :Regaardless of anyone's views on this issue, I don't think that wikipedia link has anything to do with the topic. So if there is a point to be made by anyone who accuses one country that has been attacked by terroists..to be actually making them..and they are idiots..make sure your finger is not sticking up your own nose. Wow, that's kind of shooting yourself in the foot with that arguement. The US has 'attacked' many countries, and has performed 'acts of terrorism'. 911 was the first time it happened on American soil by foreigners (since England).
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| Canada not immune to terror attack: officials
Kevin Dougherty , Canwest News Service
Published: Wednesday, March 19, 2008
QUEBEC - Canada is not immune to terror attacks, government and law-enforcement officials warned at the end of a two-day conference attended Canadian and United States representatives.
Stockwell Day, Canada's public security minister, reminded reporters that Canada is the only country of the five western countries targeted by Osama bin Laden that al-Qaida has not yet been attacked.
"Like all countries in the world, we are not free of the terrorist threat," Day told reporters.
»www.canada.com/topics/news/story···&k=56147
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| Oh no! You mean my country might be blown up by terrorists too!?! Now I agree that we should lock everyone up without looking at any evidence against them!
Oh wait, I'm not a mindless sheep, I almost forgot!
I bet you'll now say, "oh, you're just a coward who is afraid to do the right thing, you don't care about your country!". But surprise, I'm in the Armed Forces of my country! Well, if a lowly infanteer like myself can see that we're over there for strategic reasons (complicated) and not to "fight terror" or "free the people", why can't you?
Oh, and if you're so convinced that these people pose a threat, perhaps you would be so kind as to stuff your arse into a flak vest and do some patrols.
(ps, I was in error when I said: "Don't you idiots realize you're MAKING terrorists by screwing around over there." I should have said "we're making terrorists" since my country is also over there, sorry for the confusion) |
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There were terrorists during the French Revolution too. So what? It has nothing to do with the topic. Do you have anything to say about granting immunity to the telephone companies for breaking the law? Or do you just wish to keep diverting to other topics?
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No..I would say that if Stockwell Day is your public security minister,write to him and tell him how ya feel.
This is one of those written thread..exercize your rights.
 and give him your questions too. |
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said by fatness :There were terrorists during the French Revolution too. So what? It has nothing to do with the topic. Do you have anything to say about granting immunity to the telephone companies for breaking the law? Or do you just wish to keep diverting to other topics? I already said it..and not one company has been convicted of breaking any laws..or are you just trying to pretend they are already convicted. Time maybe even you looked into the cases before the courts.
If you are only looking for the rational arguments pro and con then this might help
»www.disco-tech.org/censorship_an···illance/
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Thanks for reminding me about that clown. I'm not afraid of terrorists, but I am TERRIFIED that the Intelligence community of Canada is in the hands of someone who believes Dinosaurs and Humans co-existed and that the world is 6000 years old. »news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1042814.stm
As far as nutjobs go, I put Evangelical Christians on par with Muslim extremists. I bet the Evangelicals would be blowing themselves up too if they thought they were getting 40 virgins. |
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| Well good luck and take care of yourself..you have a lot of thoughts in that post..virgins are overrated.
Ain't the BBC grand
Great tits cope well with warming
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| That caught my eye too... Goes to show that everyone can find common ground, despite differences in opinion. |
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said by Name Game :I already said it..and not one company has been convicted of breaking any laws..or are you just trying to pretend they are already convicted. So, if they didn't break any laws whey do they want/need immunity? Hmm?
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| said by Kilroy :said by Name Game :I already said it..and not one company has been convicted of breaking any laws..or are you just trying to pretend they are already convicted. So, if they didn't break any laws whey do they want/need immunity? Hmm? Frivolous lawsuits?
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said by Name Game :Everytime the ACLU breaks wind one of these 'call your do nothing Congressman' threads comes up..they always have a twist to them. Then some pointy finger guy like you starts throwing around gems of their wisdoms like "Name Game, with regards to this subject you are either: - uneducated - naive - hoodwinked" And then blames all their problems on the Administration and crawls out of the corner with " Stalin's secret police or the East German Stasi" You don't insult me.. far from it..you verbally attack because it makes you feel what your write has more meaning. But it still stinks as you grovel in your brand of Patriotism. Whizkid3 got it right, Name Game! Nailed you like a two-dollar whore.
Enough of your "brown-shirt", "brown-nose" right-wing crap! Push the polyester patriot FUD button to your heart's content, no one of intelligence is deceived by your anti-American, pro-security state sputtering.
G.W.'s comeuppance is nigh, and no last minute push to cover his ass, or those who aided him, will be successful. The Dems may have taken impeachment off the table, but I sincerely hope they will prevent the Republicans from doing any further harm during what's left of Bush's disgraceful watch. |
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