when will the bubble burst? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20445925 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:47:26 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:47:26 EDT Re: when will the bubble burst? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451153 tc1uscg : Dude.. you getting way too deep in the speculation. Just because AT&T and VZW are "behind it" doesn't mean the world is going to stop and wait for the next gen of phones :uhh:. And WiMAX is way more then just handsets. I like concept cars too and you have some of the biggest car companies showing them off, but till they are on the street, overseas and IN USE.. I don't give them much thought. Besides I like this statement in GIGAOM.
If WiMax is the hippie, grass-roots parents on “Family Ties,” LTE is closer to Alex P. Keaton. The players determining the LTE standard through the 3GPP are comprised of carriers and equipment vendors who have been buying and selling the same proprietary boxes for years. The open, standards-based way of doing business isn’t exactly their modus operandi.


I think that's another PLUS for WiMAX. You may enjoy watching video on your phone. I do. Mostly when I'm taking a dump. Watching LIVE tv on my Sprint EVDO phone is cool but useless for the most part. So when the LTE concept/speculation is on the streets, deployed overseas in many areas and in use, other then a lab, it might be worth discussing.. but a lot can happen in 2 years. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20451153 Thu, 08 May 2008 11:51:51 EDT Re: when will the bubble burst? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449673 patcat88 : Sprint has plenty of useless spectrum for which devices will never exist. Sprint can't have 100% custom made chipsets and handsets for all its abnormal non-standard frequencies. Manufacturers will drop $600 terminal/handset costs since its impossible to sell the devices to anyone outside the USA, and only Sprint will be deploying WiMAX.

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100mhz of useless spectrum. ATT and Verizon have tons and tons of PCS, and 800. Bands for which devices are actually available and devices which can be used on multiple carriers. Good luck trying any 3G handsets on T-Mobile USA except for T-Mobile USA 3G handsets. The same problem is sorta going on with ATT 3G, but atleast there is more oppertunity for reconfiguring handsets since they already have to run 800/1900 in them, not T-Mobile's AWS band which nobody else in the world uses. Find me 1 "USA 3G" phone that I can swap sim cards between ATT and T-Mobile and the phone gets 3G on both.

Proprietary band phones are the new handset locks and IMEI and ESN lock outs. No phone maker will dare to make a phone for a proprietary band without a guarantee that the phone will be sold retail by the carrier of that proprietary band, and carriers won't allow phones which contain the proprietary bands of its competitors.

Prepare for 800/1700/1900 CDMA phones that Verizon won't carry, T-Mobile USA HSDPA phones, AT&T HSDPA phones. A good hope is LTE 700 Verizon and AT&T phones, now I can swap sim cards between the 2 carriers, and lets not forget new Clearwire 2.5 WiMAX equipment, and then 2.4 and 5.8 ghz public WiMAX, 3.3, 3.5, 3.7, 2.7, 5.3, 5.5, 1.5 ghz and possibly 700 mhz, and who knows what future bands come along after the Analog shut down, and who knows what wimax in whitespace scheme (use GPS or pilot signals to enable handsets), BTW, since Wimax operates upto 66 GHZ, LMDS band needs some love too. So who is going to make a Wimax adaptor that works on 12 or more different bands? Or is what bands your phone does the new handset locking and firmware locking and IMEI/ESN limiting?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449673 Thu, 08 May 2008 01:39:03 EDT Re: when will the bubble burst? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449208 a333 : And how many LTE installations are in the US? That's rihgt, NONE!! So stop drinking your LTE Kool-Aid. At least WiMax has SOME traction in the US, LTE has none whatsoever. Right now, LTE's worth less to me than BPL (at least BPL had trials and some deployment) LTE, so far, has not been commercially deployed anywhere in the US. Plus, don't forget, Sprint has 100 Mhz spectrum, unlike about 20 for ATT/Verizon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449208 Wed, 07 May 2008 23:29:02 EDT Re: when will the bubble burst? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446311 patcat88 :
said by tc1uscg See Profile :

said by patcat88 See Profile :

Whats more has more vapor, BPL or WiMAX? :D

You forgot one.. LTE.. ;)
LTE was adopted by Ma Bell (Verizon/ATT), guaranteed roll out now. Plus LTE will have rural coverage so cheap PCS carriers (likes of Tmobile, Sprint, MetroPCS, Cricket) and regionals (US Cellular) will HAVE to have deploy LTE or have dual mode handsets to have national roaming, not having national roaming of any kind is a death sentence for any cell carrier.

Something tells me WiMAX will never exceed Sprint's 3G coverage area or be a provider of last resort like ATT Mobility/Verizon Wireless, WiMAX and the PCS cell carriers are high frequency, low penetration, low range systems that are urban, and partially suburban systems, not exurban and rural.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446311 Wed, 07 May 2008 14:49:40 EDT Re: when will the bubble burst? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446169 tc1uscg :
said by patcat88 See Profile :

Whats more has more vapor, BPL or WiMAX? :D

You forgot one.. LTE.. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20446169 Wed, 07 May 2008 14:25:03 EDT when will the bubble burst? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20445925 patcat88 : Whats more has more vapor, BPL or WiMAX? :D

I'm waiting for the WiMAX bubble to burst. This is just another BS sponsored report to make investors run and cash dump their money in WiMAX. If WiMAX would be serious, Intel would be force bundling it with laptops already as part of Centrino, but its not. Thats how you know its not serious.

WiMAX will never be anything more than an alternative with Vendor inter-compatibility behind it to proprietary P2M microwave links/fixed WISP. Look how popular MMDS WISPs are in the USA, thats how popular WiMAX will ever get.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20445925 Wed, 07 May 2008 13:39:26 EDT